yamsterman

I would absolutely change the direction of the scarf joints to what is more commonly acceptable. I looked over the plans very carefully before publishing as did others, and had made several recommendations for changes. This was actually one I had overlooked.     
I will certainly make this a new recommendation to Jeff  to possibly change it in the guide and plans for future printings. Nice catch.  But I will talk to him and see where he is on the subject.  But in my opinion,  yes the scarfs should go in the other plain as is commonly seen.

Cheers,
Chuck

HI ALL
I THOUGHT ID LAUNCH A NEW TOPIC TO RUN IN PARALELL WITH CHUCKS CUTTER CHEERFUL.
PLANS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND STUDIED FROM THE NRG.
PRACTICUM HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED.....I HAD THIS SPIRAL BOUND AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
BOXWOOD HAS BEEN ORDERED AND DELIVERED....IN 2 DAYS!!!!!
 
I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ORDER THE PRECUT PACKAGE FROM CROWN TIMBER.......HOWEVER WHILST I DO NOT DOUBT THE QUALITY OF JASONS PRODUCTS THE COST OF DELIVERY PLUS 20% VAT AND POST OFFICE HANDLING FEES WOULD HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE TO CLOSE ON £400.
 
I USUALLY USE A COUPLE OF COMPANYS FOR TIMBER ONE BEING ARKOWOOD AND THE OTHER BEING TIMBERLINE IN KENT ,UK.
I PHONED TIMBERLINE AND SPOKE TO BOB GIVING HIM A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS ( SCANTLING LIST IN BACK OF PRACTICUM) ALL IN IMPERIAL DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING.
AT LUNCHTIME TODAY TNT TURNED UP WITH A NICE BIG PARCEL. ALL BOXWOOD TIMBER PROCESSED TO THE RELAVANT THICKNESSES IE THE CLOSEST METRIC EQUIVALENT.
 
THE 1/4 INCH THICK WORKS OUT AT 6.35MM.......AND IT IS!!
THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL OTHER THICKNESSES.
HOWS THAT FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE?
 
I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOB AND HIS TEAM HAVING DEALT WITH THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
THE ONLY THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PLANE A STRAIGHT EDGE ON SOME OF THE TIMBER SHEETS.....HOW HARD IS THAT FOR A MODELMAKER?....AS THE SHEETS ARE CUT FROM A FAIRLY ROUGH SAWN BILLET.
 
 
I DIDNT ORDER ANY 1/16 AS IALREADY HAD SOME ON STOCK. THE 1/32 IS MAINLY FOR DECK PLANKING FOR WHICH I INTEND TO USE SOME ENGLISH HOLLY.
 
AND THE PRICE FOR ALL THAT LOVELY BOXWOOD (IN 1METRE LENGTHS) ?
 
INCLUDING VAT AND DELIVERY IT CAME TOO £164  A SIGNIFICANT SAVING FOR ME.
 
BUILDING BOARD HAS BEEN PREPARED SO I GUESS WERE READY TO START.
 
BUT FIRST FOUR NIGHT SHIFTS HAVE TO BE GOT OUT OF THE WAY!
 
CHEERS............MICK

HI ALL
I THOUGHT ID LAUNCH A NEW TOPIC TO RUN IN PARALELL WITH CHUCKS CUTTER CHEERFUL.
PLANS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND STUDIED FROM THE NRG.
PRACTICUM HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED.....I HAD THIS SPIRAL BOUND AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
BOXWOOD HAS BEEN ORDERED AND DELIVERED....IN 2 DAYS!!!!!
 
I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ORDER THE PRECUT PACKAGE FROM CROWN TIMBER.......HOWEVER WHILST I DO NOT DOUBT THE QUALITY OF JASONS PRODUCTS THE COST OF DELIVERY PLUS 20% VAT AND POST OFFICE HANDLING FEES WOULD HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE TO CLOSE ON £400.
 
I USUALLY USE A COUPLE OF COMPANYS FOR TIMBER ONE BEING ARKOWOOD AND THE OTHER BEING TIMBERLINE IN KENT ,UK.
I PHONED TIMBERLINE AND SPOKE TO BOB GIVING HIM A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS ( SCANTLING LIST IN BACK OF PRACTICUM) ALL IN IMPERIAL DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING.
AT LUNCHTIME TODAY TNT TURNED UP WITH A NICE BIG PARCEL. ALL BOXWOOD TIMBER PROCESSED TO THE RELAVANT THICKNESSES IE THE CLOSEST METRIC EQUIVALENT.
 
THE 1/4 INCH THICK WORKS OUT AT 6.35MM.......AND IT IS!!
THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL OTHER THICKNESSES.
HOWS THAT FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE?
 
I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOB AND HIS TEAM HAVING DEALT WITH THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
THE ONLY THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PLANE A STRAIGHT EDGE ON SOME OF THE TIMBER SHEETS.....HOW HARD IS THAT FOR A MODELMAKER?....AS THE SHEETS ARE CUT FROM A FAIRLY ROUGH SAWN BILLET.
 
 
I DIDNT ORDER ANY 1/16 AS IALREADY HAD SOME ON STOCK. THE 1/32 IS MAINLY FOR DECK PLANKING FOR WHICH I INTEND TO USE SOME ENGLISH HOLLY.
 
AND THE PRICE FOR ALL THAT LOVELY BOXWOOD (IN 1METRE LENGTHS) ?
 
INCLUDING VAT AND DELIVERY IT CAME TOO £164  A SIGNIFICANT SAVING FOR ME.
 
BUILDING BOARD HAS BEEN PREPARED SO I GUESS WERE READY TO START.
 
BUT FIRST FOUR NIGHT SHIFTS HAVE TO BE GOT OUT OF THE WAY!
 
CHEERS............MICK

Hi mike
Very nice build...been following with great interest as I'm just about to start work on the same model.
I have a couple of questions if you don't mind me asking!
Firstly regarding the keel scarfs....as far as I understand 18c scarfs were cut in the vertical plane whilst Washington's seem to be cut in the horizontal plane? I'm assuming it's correct but just wanted some clarification as I don't want any historical boo boos.
The second question relates to the room and space of the framing.
Measuring directly from the plans the frames are 1/4inch (2x6 inchs in real life) and the space is 1/8 inch,again 6 inches in real life. This is consistent for the full length of the keel, including half frames and cants? I'm measuring to very slight desrepancys on the plans. Maybe due to the printing?
Any help you can offer greatly appreciated.
Nice work on those hawse timbers aswell....I shall be copying your method!!!!
Cheers.....mick

Hi Dave
Yep...can't wait to cut some timber. Gonna haveto get the next four nights back to grindstone out of the way first!
Cheers....mick

Hi all
I forgot to mention it in the opening post.
Regarding the keel scarfs....the plans and practicum show the scarf in the horizontal plane , I was under the impression,especially after looking through Goodwin,that 18c scarfs were cut in the vertical plane? Is this a peculiarity of colonial shipwrights? I'd hate to make a boo boo during the first piece of timber!
Also are there any written references/text books concerning the building of colonial naval ships at or about this time,1776?
Any help greatly appreciated!
Cheers....mick

HI ALL
I THOUGHT ID LAUNCH A NEW TOPIC TO RUN IN PARALELL WITH CHUCKS CUTTER CHEERFUL.
PLANS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND STUDIED FROM THE NRG.
PRACTICUM HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED.....I HAD THIS SPIRAL BOUND AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
BOXWOOD HAS BEEN ORDERED AND DELIVERED....IN 2 DAYS!!!!!
 
I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ORDER THE PRECUT PACKAGE FROM CROWN TIMBER.......HOWEVER WHILST I DO NOT DOUBT THE QUALITY OF JASONS PRODUCTS THE COST OF DELIVERY PLUS 20% VAT AND POST OFFICE HANDLING FEES WOULD HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE TO CLOSE ON £400.
 
I USUALLY USE A COUPLE OF COMPANYS FOR TIMBER ONE BEING ARKOWOOD AND THE OTHER BEING TIMBERLINE IN KENT ,UK.
I PHONED TIMBERLINE AND SPOKE TO BOB GIVING HIM A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS ( SCANTLING LIST IN BACK OF PRACTICUM) ALL IN IMPERIAL DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING.
AT LUNCHTIME TODAY TNT TURNED UP WITH A NICE BIG PARCEL. ALL BOXWOOD TIMBER PROCESSED TO THE RELAVANT THICKNESSES IE THE CLOSEST METRIC EQUIVALENT.
 
THE 1/4 INCH THICK WORKS OUT AT 6.35MM.......AND IT IS!!
THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL OTHER THICKNESSES.
HOWS THAT FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE?
 
I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOB AND HIS TEAM HAVING DEALT WITH THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
THE ONLY THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PLANE A STRAIGHT EDGE ON SOME OF THE TIMBER SHEETS.....HOW HARD IS THAT FOR A MODELMAKER?....AS THE SHEETS ARE CUT FROM A FAIRLY ROUGH SAWN BILLET.
 
 
I DIDNT ORDER ANY 1/16 AS IALREADY HAD SOME ON STOCK. THE 1/32 IS MAINLY FOR DECK PLANKING FOR WHICH I INTEND TO USE SOME ENGLISH HOLLY.
 
AND THE PRICE FOR ALL THAT LOVELY BOXWOOD (IN 1METRE LENGTHS) ?
 
INCLUDING VAT AND DELIVERY IT CAME TOO £164  A SIGNIFICANT SAVING FOR ME.
 
BUILDING BOARD HAS BEEN PREPARED SO I GUESS WERE READY TO START.
 
BUT FIRST FOUR NIGHT SHIFTS HAVE TO BE GOT OUT OF THE WAY!
 
CHEERS............MICK

Hi mike
Very nice build...been following with great interest as I'm just about to start work on the same model.
I have a couple of questions if you don't mind me asking!
Firstly regarding the keel scarfs....as far as I understand 18c scarfs were cut in the vertical plane whilst Washington's seem to be cut in the horizontal plane? I'm assuming it's correct but just wanted some clarification as I don't want any historical boo boos.
The second question relates to the room and space of the framing.
Measuring directly from the plans the frames are 1/4inch (2x6 inchs in real life) and the space is 1/8 inch,again 6 inches in real life. This is consistent for the full length of the keel, including half frames and cants? I'm measuring to very slight desrepancys on the plans. Maybe due to the printing?
Any help you can offer greatly appreciated.
Nice work on those hawse timbers aswell....I shall be copying your method!!!!
Cheers.....mick

Hi Dave
Yep...can't wait to cut some timber. Gonna haveto get the next four nights back to grindstone out of the way first!
Cheers....mick

Hi all
I forgot to mention it in the opening post.
Regarding the keel scarfs....the plans and practicum show the scarf in the horizontal plane , I was under the impression,especially after looking through Goodwin,that 18c scarfs were cut in the vertical plane? Is this a peculiarity of colonial shipwrights? I'd hate to make a boo boo during the first piece of timber!
Also are there any written references/text books concerning the building of colonial naval ships at or about this time,1776?
Any help greatly appreciated!
Cheers....mick

HI ALL
I THOUGHT ID LAUNCH A NEW TOPIC TO RUN IN PARALELL WITH CHUCKS CUTTER CHEERFUL.
PLANS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND STUDIED FROM THE NRG.
PRACTICUM HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED.....I HAD THIS SPIRAL BOUND AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
BOXWOOD HAS BEEN ORDERED AND DELIVERED....IN 2 DAYS!!!!!
 
I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ORDER THE PRECUT PACKAGE FROM CROWN TIMBER.......HOWEVER WHILST I DO NOT DOUBT THE QUALITY OF JASONS PRODUCTS THE COST OF DELIVERY PLUS 20% VAT AND POST OFFICE HANDLING FEES WOULD HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE TO CLOSE ON £400.
 
I USUALLY USE A COUPLE OF COMPANYS FOR TIMBER ONE BEING ARKOWOOD AND THE OTHER BEING TIMBERLINE IN KENT ,UK.
I PHONED TIMBERLINE AND SPOKE TO BOB GIVING HIM A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS ( SCANTLING LIST IN BACK OF PRACTICUM) ALL IN IMPERIAL DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING.
AT LUNCHTIME TODAY TNT TURNED UP WITH A NICE BIG PARCEL. ALL BOXWOOD TIMBER PROCESSED TO THE RELAVANT THICKNESSES IE THE CLOSEST METRIC EQUIVALENT.
 
THE 1/4 INCH THICK WORKS OUT AT 6.35MM.......AND IT IS!!
THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL OTHER THICKNESSES.
HOWS THAT FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE?
 
I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOB AND HIS TEAM HAVING DEALT WITH THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
THE ONLY THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PLANE A STRAIGHT EDGE ON SOME OF THE TIMBER SHEETS.....HOW HARD IS THAT FOR A MODELMAKER?....AS THE SHEETS ARE CUT FROM A FAIRLY ROUGH SAWN BILLET.
 
 
I DIDNT ORDER ANY 1/16 AS IALREADY HAD SOME ON STOCK. THE 1/32 IS MAINLY FOR DECK PLANKING FOR WHICH I INTEND TO USE SOME ENGLISH HOLLY.
 
AND THE PRICE FOR ALL THAT LOVELY BOXWOOD (IN 1METRE LENGTHS) ?
 
INCLUDING VAT AND DELIVERY IT CAME TOO £164  A SIGNIFICANT SAVING FOR ME.
 
BUILDING BOARD HAS BEEN PREPARED SO I GUESS WERE READY TO START.
 
BUT FIRST FOUR NIGHT SHIFTS HAVE TO BE GOT OUT OF THE WAY!
 
CHEERS............MICK

Hello friends,
new pictures of the construction 74 gun-ship.
A provisional aligment of the frames.
Every double frame consisting of 22 - 26 fragments.
Karl
 
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Hi all
I forgot to mention it in the opening post.
Regarding the keel scarfs....the plans and practicum show the scarf in the horizontal plane , I was under the impression,especially after looking through Goodwin,that 18c scarfs were cut in the vertical plane? Is this a peculiarity of colonial shipwrights? I'd hate to make a boo boo during the first piece of timber!
Also are there any written references/text books concerning the building of colonial naval ships at or about this time,1776?
Any help greatly appreciated!
Cheers....mick

HI ALL
I THOUGHT ID LAUNCH A NEW TOPIC TO RUN IN PARALELL WITH CHUCKS CUTTER CHEERFUL.
PLANS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND STUDIED FROM THE NRG.
PRACTICUM HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED.....I HAD THIS SPIRAL BOUND AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
BOXWOOD HAS BEEN ORDERED AND DELIVERED....IN 2 DAYS!!!!!
 
I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ORDER THE PRECUT PACKAGE FROM CROWN TIMBER.......HOWEVER WHILST I DO NOT DOUBT THE QUALITY OF JASONS PRODUCTS THE COST OF DELIVERY PLUS 20% VAT AND POST OFFICE HANDLING FEES WOULD HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE TO CLOSE ON £400.
 
I USUALLY USE A COUPLE OF COMPANYS FOR TIMBER ONE BEING ARKOWOOD AND THE OTHER BEING TIMBERLINE IN KENT ,UK.
I PHONED TIMBERLINE AND SPOKE TO BOB GIVING HIM A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS ( SCANTLING LIST IN BACK OF PRACTICUM) ALL IN IMPERIAL DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING.
AT LUNCHTIME TODAY TNT TURNED UP WITH A NICE BIG PARCEL. ALL BOXWOOD TIMBER PROCESSED TO THE RELAVANT THICKNESSES IE THE CLOSEST METRIC EQUIVALENT.
 
THE 1/4 INCH THICK WORKS OUT AT 6.35MM.......AND IT IS!!
THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL OTHER THICKNESSES.
HOWS THAT FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE?
 
I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOB AND HIS TEAM HAVING DEALT WITH THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
THE ONLY THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PLANE A STRAIGHT EDGE ON SOME OF THE TIMBER SHEETS.....HOW HARD IS THAT FOR A MODELMAKER?....AS THE SHEETS ARE CUT FROM A FAIRLY ROUGH SAWN BILLET.
 
 
I DIDNT ORDER ANY 1/16 AS IALREADY HAD SOME ON STOCK. THE 1/32 IS MAINLY FOR DECK PLANKING FOR WHICH I INTEND TO USE SOME ENGLISH HOLLY.
 
AND THE PRICE FOR ALL THAT LOVELY BOXWOOD (IN 1METRE LENGTHS) ?
 
INCLUDING VAT AND DELIVERY IT CAME TOO £164  A SIGNIFICANT SAVING FOR ME.
 
BUILDING BOARD HAS BEEN PREPARED SO I GUESS WERE READY TO START.
 
BUT FIRST FOUR NIGHT SHIFTS HAVE TO BE GOT OUT OF THE WAY!
 
CHEERS............MICK

HI ALL
I THOUGHT ID LAUNCH A NEW TOPIC TO RUN IN PARALELL WITH CHUCKS CUTTER CHEERFUL.
PLANS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND STUDIED FROM THE NRG.
PRACTICUM HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED.....I HAD THIS SPIRAL BOUND AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
BOXWOOD HAS BEEN ORDERED AND DELIVERED....IN 2 DAYS!!!!!
 
I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO ORDER THE PRECUT PACKAGE FROM CROWN TIMBER.......HOWEVER WHILST I DO NOT DOUBT THE QUALITY OF JASONS PRODUCTS THE COST OF DELIVERY PLUS 20% VAT AND POST OFFICE HANDLING FEES WOULD HAVE PUSHED THE PRICE TO CLOSE ON £400.
 
I USUALLY USE A COUPLE OF COMPANYS FOR TIMBER ONE BEING ARKOWOOD AND THE OTHER BEING TIMBERLINE IN KENT ,UK.
I PHONED TIMBERLINE AND SPOKE TO BOB GIVING HIM A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS ( SCANTLING LIST IN BACK OF PRACTICUM) ALL IN IMPERIAL DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING.
AT LUNCHTIME TODAY TNT TURNED UP WITH A NICE BIG PARCEL. ALL BOXWOOD TIMBER PROCESSED TO THE RELAVANT THICKNESSES IE THE CLOSEST METRIC EQUIVALENT.
 
THE 1/4 INCH THICK WORKS OUT AT 6.35MM.......AND IT IS!!
THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL OTHER THICKNESSES.
HOWS THAT FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE?
 
I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOB AND HIS TEAM HAVING DEALT WITH THEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
THE ONLY THING WORTH MENTIONING IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PLANE A STRAIGHT EDGE ON SOME OF THE TIMBER SHEETS.....HOW HARD IS THAT FOR A MODELMAKER?....AS THE SHEETS ARE CUT FROM A FAIRLY ROUGH SAWN BILLET.
 
 
I DIDNT ORDER ANY 1/16 AS IALREADY HAD SOME ON STOCK. THE 1/32 IS MAINLY FOR DECK PLANKING FOR WHICH I INTEND TO USE SOME ENGLISH HOLLY.
 
AND THE PRICE FOR ALL THAT LOVELY BOXWOOD (IN 1METRE LENGTHS) ?
 
INCLUDING VAT AND DELIVERY IT CAME TOO £164  A SIGNIFICANT SAVING FOR ME.
 
BUILDING BOARD HAS BEEN PREPARED SO I GUESS WERE READY TO START.
 
BUT FIRST FOUR NIGHT SHIFTS HAVE TO BE GOT OUT OF THE WAY!
 
CHEERS............MICK

hi all
hms triton cross section is now finished!
i havnt rigged the training tackles.
i like the model in its simple uncluttered form.
the relieving tackles were never going to be fitted as ive left the deck planks off to help show the deck construction.....this was a contributing factor in not fitting the rest of the tackles.
i have however fitted the stanchions and rails around the hatchway.....pretty much a direct lift from the swan class practicum.
once again thanks to all the staff and moderators whose work in preparing the plans made my humble attempt even possible!
final photos enclosed.
cheers....mick
 
 
 
p.s. excuse the junk in the final photo.old flatscreen awaiting collection by a fella who i work with!

hi all
hms triton cross section is now finished!
i havnt rigged the training tackles.
i like the model in its simple uncluttered form.
the relieving tackles were never going to be fitted as ive left the deck planks off to help show the deck construction.....this was a contributing factor in not fitting the rest of the tackles.
i have however fitted the stanchions and rails around the hatchway.....pretty much a direct lift from the swan class practicum.
once again thanks to all the staff and moderators whose work in preparing the plans made my humble attempt even possible!
final photos enclosed.
cheers....mick
 
 
 
p.s. excuse the junk in the final photo.old flatscreen awaiting collection by a fella who i work with!

Hi mark
Many thanks....no rush...but lots of projects to do!
Cheers....mick

Hi David
Many thanks. The next project is the Washington galley as well as chucks cutter. So lots of frames and cants ,stern framing,hawse timbers etc. Should prove interesting!
Cheers....mick

Hi Bob
Many thanks.pleased how its turned out.
Ready for the next challenge!
Cheers....mick

Hi Bob
Many thanks.pleased how its turned out.
Ready for the next challenge!
Cheers....mick

Hi David
Many thanks. The next project is the Washington galley as well as chucks cutter. So lots of frames and cants ,stern framing,hawse timbers etc. Should prove interesting!
Cheers....mick

Hi mark
Many thanks....no rush...but lots of projects to do!
Cheers....mick

Hi john
Many thanks.kept me busy for twelve months! Amazing how time fly's....I wonder how long the next one will take?
Cheers....mick

Hi Carl
Thanks yet again!
Flatscreen goes tomorrow so uninterrupted view restored!
Cheers....mick