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BANYAN
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In my proposal for a 'cool safe' I mentioned seeing these on some Murray River (Victoria/NSW, Australia) paddle steamers. Here are two photos of PS Adelaide I took some years back with a cool safe on the roof of her fore cabin structure. I also found one on the 'net' in a BLOG about Murray River paddle steamers (but failed to not the blog - sorry), and a close-up of a cool safe that was advertised on a local auction site. I hope these are useful Keith. As I mentioned in a PM to Keith, I have seen these in a more ovalised/rounded shape also but cannot find a photo. One 'fly in the ointment' though, note the shape and colour of the navigation light pole on the wheelhouse roof. Maybe a potential candidate also (although a little smaller and less symmetrical in shape than you show). cheers Pat
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Thanks again, I will take note of that as it is a skill I still wish to acquire (I simply draw up my requirement and someone else does my PE - It will be useful to do myself if needed in the future.) cheers Pat
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I have assumed the appropriate level of 'pucker factor' and eagerly awaiting the outcome of your intrepid operation Glen. perhaps a good dose of the naval rum (medicinal of course) would help steady the hands? cheers Pat
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Stunning work Ilhan, how did you cut those brass rings so neatly - scribing? cheers Pat
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Keith, the mystery object on the wheelhouse roof ma (or may not) be a 'cool safe' for storing vegetables and sometimes meat? I know that some of our Murray River paddle driven boats/ships had them there. I'll have a quick look to see if I can find my source again (but please don't hold your breath while waiting - may not be able to find it again). cheers Pat
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Looks great Glen. Might I suggest a couple of dangling lines and blocks as a result of parted rigging due to all those canon ball holes through the sails? Sorry mor work, and may interfere with your lifting mechanism when in the bottle - just a suggestion. cheers Pat
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Couldn't agree more mate. A well made 'solid' machine instead some of these mostly plastic offerings like 'choppers', some bench saws and the like just don't feel right. cheers Pat
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Every time you post these wonderful machines you have created you give me a severe case of 'tool envy' Eberhard. Nice work on both. cheers Pat
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Glen, looks good and the grate certainly gives the right impression. @Keith Black where do you find those pics - love it. If you can, can then ...
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A tip-of-the-hat to you Rob, that looks great! cheers Pat
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A tribute to your patience and 'left-of-field' solutions Glen, quite the outcome you have achieved. cheers Pat
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That's looking pretty good Dave, you should end up with a very neat and precise outer planking. cheers Pat
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That is impressive work Ilhan, there appears to be some commonality between some of the fittings between your build and mine. cheers Pat
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Late to the party also Keith, please excuse my tardiness. Will be following along with great interest as it looks quite an interesting vessel to model. Despite your choice as it looked an easier build, I think there will still be enough to challenge you. cheers Pat
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Glen, your build has gone on for a little while with no suggests (where are you Keith B?). Noting the theme of this build can I dare to hope to see a couple of 'pirate' penguins, perhaps one with an eye patch and the other with a peg "flipper" Long shot over the bow! cheers Pat
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That sounds quite feasible Rob, thanks. One thing though, as there were two purchases used with the tye in Victoria, I think I need to stay with the LH option, such that either or both purchases could be used. According to Nares, this arrangement was often used in merchant ships whereby a minimal 'on deck' watch could work the lighter purchase (albeit at a slower rate), whereas the heavier double purchase was worked when the full crew was available. If I have visualised your proposed set-up correctly, I think that could also work with the double tye configuration? Those masts are coming on really nicely mate. cheers Pat
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That's a good point Rob, and one I had not considered. While the Rigging Warrant is silent on this cable/rope, it makes practical sense to have one fitted/rigged, so I will probably add that. cheers Pat
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I missed the kick-off yet again Glen; great to see another project up and running. And, what a great idea, that will be quite an unique display. It's looking great already. So what are you drinking when you get these 'inspirations'? cheers Pat
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Thanks Rich, I should have pointed out that the left-most configuration is that for the topgallant. I am still not satisfied that would work though. The Rigging Warrant list chain for the tye but NO gin block. The size (diameter) of the mast at the stop is very small and if a sheave hole was cut within, there would be no meat left to support the mast. I have therefore assumed the use of a gin block as this is also advised by several authors. I have not been able to establish whether to mount it to the side to clear the other ropes or to the front noting your comment. To the front may give a better pull BUT would interfere with other ropes. Sorry too highjack the discussion Rob, but I hope it helps a little when you get to that yard? I have found some online plans for Flying Fish but they do not show that illustration you use unfortunately, will have to keep looking . cheers Pat
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Thanks Rich, that is one of the reasons I follow your (combined) efforts here as much of the material is relatable to my research and build also. WRT tops, agree; the contract for Victoria actually specifies the types of tops (skeletal) and that they were filled with gratings 'for the men to stand on'. WRT to the rigging of the yards etc, also agree. I use the book 'seamanship'; by Commander GS Nares RN, published in 1868 as my go to reference. He provides the closest match to the rigging as listed in Victoria's Rigging Warrant for a Barque. I supplement this as required for the 'schooner' fore-and-aft elements. Nares I believe actually points out that the (chain) tyes are indeed set-up to the centre band of the yard and not the truss arms. As with the drawing of Flying Fish rigging using gins, this correlates closely with Victoria's rigging also, but this is the first illustration showing it that I have seen. I had come up with the same arrangement independently as shown below. I was not sure which set-up was more appropriate given the odd description/listing of the associated halliards in the Rigging Warrant. These were only applicable to the topyard as the lower yard, once hoisted, was hung on chain slings. I chose to go with the centre option as there were two sets of halliards/purchases listed. Thanks to you all for this interesting log. cheers Pat
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Exceptional work , especially as Eberhard points out, this is mostly done with hand tools . Very much enjoying your build log. Cheers Pat
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'Pat...I believe I got illustration 97 from an online reference for the model plans for the clipper Flying Fish. The last is of the Barque James Craig.' Thanks Rob, I'll have a search for that online set of plans (Flying Fish). James Craig - just up the road from me There are a lot of online photos for her, so may prove a useful ship for further investigation (re rigging). cheers Pat
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Hi Rob, the middle illustration illustration (97) and the last picture in the same post ere of great interest to me as I believe they show the way Victoria was rigged (using gins). I also agree it is more likely the slings attached to the centre band of the yard (I believe that is the way Nares describes it from recall). Could you please let me know the reference from which these were taken? cheers Pat
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