Capella

Looks great, Patrick. 

You put the alignment of the deadeyes on my chainplates to shame! 😉

(I too have made a decent amount of progress, but have been too lazy to post it here recently) 

Hi, All

No update to post yet. I've made more progress so far this weekend, but I'll post a progress update tomorrow.

One thing I wanted to point out to anyone who hasn't done this build yet: the spacing for the vertical posts (chafing boards, I believe??). I wanted to ensure that the spacing was even along the length of the hull, so I ended up plotting it out on graph paper. Sorry for my crappy writing, but as you can see both forward and aft of the gap in the hull, the two end spaces are 1mm each wider than the spacing for the middle spaces - except for the port, forward section, which turned out to be 2mm longer than the corresponding section on the starboard side. Don't know how that happened, but I just compensated for that by adding 1mm to the two spacings towards the middle from the fore and aft ends on that side.

Hope that helps someone.

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Also, a question to those who have done page "G" in the plans. Specifically, the two pre-formed metal pieces that go on the aft of the ship and have windows on them. Looking very closely at the pics in the guide, the windows themselves look slightly "bluer" than the black surrounding them.

I went through a lot of the Beagle build logs here, trying to find others' pics of those - or even any comments about doing those, but I wasn't too successful. I got the Occre paint set for the Beagle and don't seem to have any color that might make the windows slightly lighter, other than just painting them black.

Suggestions on that, anyone? I mean, I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if I just ended up painting the windows black and moving on, but I thought I'd check first.

Thanks!

Capella

Well, as I knew, once I got past the hull, progress would pick up.

I finished the hull and started on the strakes and inside "pretties":

I gotta tell you, cutting those diamond-shaped pieces to all match was a challenge - for me, at least. But, I know they'll be covered up and hidden by a lot of other stuff going on as things get added to the deck and rails.

Currently, I'm painting the hull and rails. I'll probably post updates on that this weekend.

Until then...

Capella

It's been a while since I last posted an update, but as you'll see, I have not been idle on my ship!

In my last post I had finished laying the first layer planks and smeared the hull with wood filler. Well, I've made quite a bit of progress since then:

These pictures were taken after I had finished final sanding of the 2nd layer.

You may have noticed in the 1st and 4th pictures the "blemish" near the forward keel of the port1` hull. The light part is planking from the 1st layer showing. I don't remember how exactly that happened, but it was exposed during my 2nd pass on sanding. Unfortunately, I don't recall in which thread I saw it, but I remembered coming across a post here at the MSW forums in which someone explained having a similar situation and he mostly fixed it by mixing sawdust with a bit of glue. Thinking about that, while sanding the hull I kept all of the sawdust. I then mixed a few of drops of PVA glue with a good amount of sawdust. It got pretty pasty, but I thought (hoped, really) it was workable. The mix was kinda gunky while spreading it on the spot, but I made sure to have enough on there to cover it and then some. I gave it a good few hours to dry. 

After re-sanding that area, here's what it looks like now:

Not great, but better. If anyone asks, I'll just tell them the ship hit some rocks and they had to repair the hull! 😉

Anywho. That's it for now. Next step is to put a satin finish on the hull and move on.

'Till next time...

1 hour ago, The Gimps Chimp said:

Hi Capella,  when I fitted my keel I can remember it was recessed into the planking at the bow.  Looking at where you've circled the photo above you may need to extend the first planking a little (or use filler).

 

Chimp

Thanks, Chimp.

Ewww. Extending the planking - however I choose to do it - might be a bit of a challenge

Was that how you did the planks along the entire length of the keel, bow to stern (The keel pieces recessed into the 1st layer planks)? 

Okay - wood filler is done (I think). I included the wood filler I used in the picture, as I know I'm always curious what materials and tools people use.

Next, obviously, is sanding. I just finished the filler, so I'm going to let that sit for a few hours.

One thing I'm not clear on is how the planks are supposed to meet the keel at the bow. In the below picture you can see that I placed the bow piece temporarily to illustrate how I planked the hull, such that the planks meet up with the sides of the piece. Hopefully the circled area in my picture clearly illustrates what I did and what I mean. That is how it seems to me to be in the instructions pictures, but looking at a few pictures of that area in various build logs, how people did that area seems to vary slightly from one build to another.

My question is, should I sand down the 1st layer planks at the bow to meet with the keel itself - thereby exposing the "base" of that bow piece, then plank the second layer to meet with the sides of that bow piece, or should I leave it as is? Or is that even not really a critical detail?

Till next time!

Capella

On 1/9/2024 at 8:04 AM, The Gimps Chimp said:

Hi Capella,

 

It's great to see you back working on the Beagle.  Your photos in your last post look very similar to my build.  At this point I was worried that it didn't look very good and was concerned as to how well the second planking would sit and how it would look.  As it turned out I had nothing to worry about, once it's filled and sanded it's all good.  Just be careful when sanding you don't go too far and sand through to the inside .

 

Patrick B has some useful advice above and I too had the intention of doing the second planking 'properly' However, I ended up not following any advice and just did my own thing and it ended up looking okay.

 

This is a link to that stage in my build log: Have a look at posts #55 and #61

 

My intension is that on my next build (HMS Granado) I'll do the second planking 'properly' and follow the technique detailed in this document:

 

plankingprojectbeginners.pdf 1.9 MB · 1 download

 

Looking forward to seeing your build progress

 

Chimp

Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice, Chimp (and @Patrick Btoo!).

I'll take a close look at your posts before I start the 2nd layer. 

Okay - I'm back!

In my last post (#80), I had torn off the mess that I made of the bow hull.

Here's what the hull looked like yesterday after redoing that and planking the rest of the hull:

I spent yesterday and this morning filling in all of the gaps in prep for filling (wood filler) and sanding. Here's where I'm at now:

So, my next step is to properly shape the planks to meet with the keel on the bottom, the transom, and each other on the bow. As you can see, I'm not adverse to using copious amounts of wood filler to get a nice smooth surface for the second planking!

As always, any tips and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

That's all for now.

Till my next update...

Capella

Looking great, @The Gimps Chimp! I took a few liberties with the small boats, myself. Seems to be common practice. 

The weather is starting to turn towards Fall here in Minnesota, so I'll be getting back to my Beagle soon, myself. 

Keep up the great work! 

Hey, @Patrick Bt (I'm posting this on my phone, so, sorry if the "@patrick b" looks weird. It came out weird for me.)

Thanks so much for checking in! That's very kind of you.

We Minnesotans have a short summer, so we tackle the time with gusto. As such, the "shipyard" gets shut down for the season, and I'm out going to the cabin, going on canoe outings, doing yard work, etc.

I'll probably be picking up the project again in another month or so. I did make some progress from my last post back in March, so when I sit down again to work on it, I'll give a full update on my progress and how I plan to tackle my re-do of the mess on the bow.

Until then, thanks again!

Wow. Looking great!

Looks GREAT, @Patrick B

Mine will definitely need plenty of filling and sanding when I'm done with the first layer.

I saw the benefits of a pin/nail pusher early on, so I ordered one from Micro-Mark, but it's been on backorder for nearly two months now 😕

Your first layer experience is definitely what I (and many others) strive for!

I made note of the tape method in my plans. Glad you found a solution to that!

On 3/5/2023 at 2:17 PM, Penfold said:

 

It's been a few weeks since my last post. Partially due to life getting in the way but also largely because the thought of having to re-do a bunch of work was kind of a bummer so I have been putting it off.

But it's Saturday and there's a blizzard out here in Central Minnesota. A great day to fix my mess of a hull.

First, you guys have been great with your encouragements and suggestions. Thanks so much to everyone!

So, in my last post (#73) I posted some images of the bow and asked for suggestions. I decided that I would pull/cut off the offending parts of the bow and re-do them.

Here's an image from that post:

And here are a couple of pics of the aftermath of that process:

I made sure I left good surfaces to lay the planks and paid attention to how the curvature of the bulkheads will affect how I need to lay the planks.

Wish me luck!

P.S.

I've been keeping up with my contemporary Beagle builders, @Patrick B @Penfold and others. Very fun to see what I have to look forward to!

5 hours ago, Penfold said:

😔BI don’t really get the brass wire work at the stern or what it’s supposed to represent, but it’s what the instructions say, and mine looks pretty close to the pics  on the instructions.

While waiting for some glue to dry (I'm on my first planking on my Beagle) I was looking ahead in the instructions and noticed that too.

I don't get why they have to spend the effort on shaping them and then painting over them. But, as you said, it's in the instructions, so I guess that's how I'll do it!

Okay, guys. I could use some input on this:

See these pics of my bow. The stbd side looks similar,  as you can see in the second picture.

I'm not sure if I did a horrible job of sanding the bulkheads or laying the planks or what, but as it is, I'm not sure what the best way is to address this mess that I created.

I'm wondering if I should scrap the whole bow section and redo it (I used PVA glue, so cutting them out carefully would be tedious but doable), or continue on and fix it with copious amounts of spiling, filler, and sanding.

Your thoughts?

Oh! Bonus points: I'd appreciate suggestions on where I might have gone wrong and how to avoid this in the future!

Thanks so much for keeping an eye on my build log!

Oh no!

By the sound of it, your relatives must be far enough away that it's not just a matter of a quick drive over there to get it!

I built all of the small boats while I was waiting for some modeling supplies to arrive. I hadn't started planking the ship's hull yet so I used the process building them as practice for the ship.

The first launch that I built was the one that is painted in the plans and I was happy to paint that hull! 😉

A lot to take in, Bob, but I took notes!

Thanks for your thorough input. Much appreciated!

@Snug Harbor Johnny@RossR @The Gimps Chimp

Thanks for your input!

I figured as much: this being the first layer and the planks being so thick, I'll have plenty of wood to work with in terms of how much I can shape the hull for the 2nd layer - regardless of how the planks on the first layer lay.

Thanks, guys!

Okay, guys. Looking for some advice on how to address this this: So I've laid the first planks just below the bukwarks per the instructions, port and starboard.

Note how the extreme aft of the first plank on the hull is horizontal to the upright position, so as to be flush with the bottom of the stern.

The plans indicate to lay the next plank on the bottom of the bulwark, against and above the first plank on the hull, running straight aft -  not bending - along the existing upward curve of the bulwark (sorry the pic came out misoriented - I'm on my phone):

So, clamping a plank in that position on my boat, and bending it up a bit to shows what it would cover:

I mean, the bottom edge of that top plank just isn't going to be flush with the top edge of the plank below it.

My question is, should I just continue with it as is and when the planking is finished, plan on filling (with wood filler), spiling, and sanding the heck out of it?

Reading other Beagle logs, the thickness of the first layer of planks almost seems to be a good thing, as it leaves a lot of room for shaping the hull to a proper, usable shape for the second, final and layer.

It's just that extreme difference in the orientation between the two planks kinda got me wondering...

Just a quick update on my progress:

I finished the fore and aft upper decks and got the bulwarks on. Now I'm ready to sand the bulkheads to prep for the first layer of planking.

The clamp is cause the bulwarks weren't flush with the upper deck, so I glued those and clamped them to keep them tight against the deck. I'll probably leave that for a day or two just to make sure they stay in place.

Hey all.

I'm looking for a good, cheap pin pusher for the purpose of using pins for holding planks and bulkheads in place while gluing.

The pins I am using are 14mm long, .5mm diameter, and the head is 1.2 mm wide.

Thanks for any suggestions!

3 hours ago, The Gimps Chimp said:

Hi Capella,

 

Not sure if you've seen this very informative document:

http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/Framing_and_Planking/plankingprojectbeginners.pdf

I would highly recommend it.  I must admit I haven't been able to practice all of it yet but it's my plan to do so on my next build.

 

Chimp

I have not. Thanks for the link, Chimp!

2 hours ago, The Gimps Chimp said:

Hi Capella,

 

I didn't use the nails provided in the kit but preferred to use the clamp technique using small bulldog clips on the bulkhead and/or removeable noticeboard pins.  Not sure if the supplied nails should be left in or removed.  If they're left in then sanding down the planks once finished is very difficult.  If they are to be removed then they shouldn't be pushed fully home otherwise it will be very difficult to pull them out once finished.

 

Chimp

Makes sense.

Thanks, Chimp

Okay, I got the windows and doors, and the upper fore and aft decks mounted:

Next steps are to sand the false bulkheads near the upper decks in preparation for planking, bend and mount the gunwales (not sure if that's the proper name) and plank the gunwales.

A question regarding these steps:

Sorry. I can't seem to rotate the image on my phone.

Anyway there are nails provided with the kit. The pictured tool is a "pin pusher", right?

I looked for something similar on Amazon, but came up with a LOT of results - most of which weren't anything close to the tool in the image. Can someone suggest a good, cheap tool like that?