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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Unimat 1 Classic 6 in 1 Tool 83000 Power Tool   
    It is my experience that there is not much on a ship model that requires a lathe.  Most of that (spars) can be accomplished using an electric drill in a shop made clamp.  The one part that would be difficult to fake - turning up 100 cannon - a lathe and pattern duplicator helps here.
    The one function that requires a lathe is turning metal to fabricate your own tools.  A machinists lathe is essentially a tool to make tools.
     
    A mill is a bit more useful, but it too is a machine to make tools.  It can act as an expensive drill press and allow you to bull thru wood with milling cut - not wise, probably messy.  You can also avoid the expense and get a jewelers generic drill press and a Chinese XY table all for less than $200.  The bearings are not designed for lateral stress, but with wood, sharp cutters and light cuts...
     
    Right now, we have the great good luck in the presence of Jim Byrnes.  The tool functions that you would find practically useful in a multi tool, he provides as single purpose machines that are about a hundred times better. 
     
    It you are still determined - visit Little Machine Shop  for bench top mills and lathes
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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Unimat 1 Classic 6 in 1 Tool 83000 Power Tool   
    I have a Unimat SL  -  It is now relegated to just the lathe function.  I burned out a motor using it as a table saw.  Everything but the lathe is better done by a single purpose machine.  This even though it is a precise and well made unit.
    Unimat I is neither precise nor well made.  It is a toy.  Buy it and feel the sentiment behind the message yelled at generations of army recruits:  you'll be sorrrreeee.
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    Jaager got a reaction from davyboy in Unimat 1 Classic 6 in 1 Tool 83000 Power Tool   
    I have a Unimat SL  -  It is now relegated to just the lathe function.  I burned out a motor using it as a table saw.  Everything but the lathe is better done by a single purpose machine.  This even though it is a precise and well made unit.
    Unimat I is neither precise nor well made.  It is a toy.  Buy it and feel the sentiment behind the message yelled at generations of army recruits:  you'll be sorrrreeee.
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    Jaager got a reaction from FrankWouts in The Saint-Philippe -1693 - Ancre   
    Kevin,
    No matter how much jest is involved,  unless you have access to a mansion sized building, either realization is a bit overwhelming.
    The Cutty Sark would be easier, but larger.  At 1:48 a masted model is for all intents 6 feet long and about that tall.  The Saint-Philippe is about 6 inches shorter.  I have lofted Philippe at 1:120 and played with the framing.  The hull is about the size of a brig: USS Porpoise at 1:60.  Having second thoughts about doing a miniature, I looked at redoing the timbers at 1:60 using Navy Board style framing.  I hit breaks real fast when it demonstrated that the mid ship floor timber is too large to be had from a 2 inch wide piece of stock.  And the mid ship floor is the straightest, least carnivorous floor.   A POF at 1:36 ----  a Baby Huey that needs lots and lots of lumber to frame.  Framing at 1:48 would put a serious hurt on a 50 bf lumber stock.
    If you were just married when you started these two, you would possibly be paying for your kid's college when you finished.
     
    The Saint-Philippe is a late 17th century first rate with magnificent excess in its decoration.  It could easily stand as a magnificent magnum opus for any modeler.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Hubac's Historian in The Saint-Philippe -1693 - Ancre   
    Kevin,
    No matter how much jest is involved,  unless you have access to a mansion sized building, either realization is a bit overwhelming.
    The Cutty Sark would be easier, but larger.  At 1:48 a masted model is for all intents 6 feet long and about that tall.  The Saint-Philippe is about 6 inches shorter.  I have lofted Philippe at 1:120 and played with the framing.  The hull is about the size of a brig: USS Porpoise at 1:60.  Having second thoughts about doing a miniature, I looked at redoing the timbers at 1:60 using Navy Board style framing.  I hit breaks real fast when it demonstrated that the mid ship floor timber is too large to be had from a 2 inch wide piece of stock.  And the mid ship floor is the straightest, least carnivorous floor.   A POF at 1:36 ----  a Baby Huey that needs lots and lots of lumber to frame.  Framing at 1:48 would put a serious hurt on a 50 bf lumber stock.
    If you were just married when you started these two, you would possibly be paying for your kid's college when you finished.
     
    The Saint-Philippe is a late 17th century first rate with magnificent excess in its decoration.  It could easily stand as a magnificent magnum opus for any modeler.
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    Jaager got a reaction from bruce d in Unimat 1 Classic 6 in 1 Tool 83000 Power Tool   
    I have a Unimat SL  -  It is now relegated to just the lathe function.  I burned out a motor using it as a table saw.  Everything but the lathe is better done by a single purpose machine.  This even though it is a precise and well made unit.
    Unimat I is neither precise nor well made.  It is a toy.  Buy it and feel the sentiment behind the message yelled at generations of army recruits:  you'll be sorrrreeee.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Kevin in The Saint-Philippe -1693 - Ancre   
    Kevin,
    No matter how much jest is involved,  unless you have access to a mansion sized building, either realization is a bit overwhelming.
    The Cutty Sark would be easier, but larger.  At 1:48 a masted model is for all intents 6 feet long and about that tall.  The Saint-Philippe is about 6 inches shorter.  I have lofted Philippe at 1:120 and played with the framing.  The hull is about the size of a brig: USS Porpoise at 1:60.  Having second thoughts about doing a miniature, I looked at redoing the timbers at 1:60 using Navy Board style framing.  I hit breaks real fast when it demonstrated that the mid ship floor timber is too large to be had from a 2 inch wide piece of stock.  And the mid ship floor is the straightest, least carnivorous floor.   A POF at 1:36 ----  a Baby Huey that needs lots and lots of lumber to frame.  Framing at 1:48 would put a serious hurt on a 50 bf lumber stock.
    If you were just married when you started these two, you would possibly be paying for your kid's college when you finished.
     
    The Saint-Philippe is a late 17th century first rate with magnificent excess in its decoration.  It could easily stand as a magnificent magnum opus for any modeler.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Briar Pipe by Papa - FINISHED   
    Is Briar available as solid blocks or billets?  Apart from the grain pattern, it might make for hardy blocks.  Did the wood handle like it would work for that?
     
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from popeye the sailor in Briar Pipe by Papa - FINISHED   
    Is Briar available as solid blocks or billets?  Apart from the grain pattern, it might make for hardy blocks.  Did the wood handle like it would work for that?
     
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from pontiachedmark in HHardacre   
    The material that binds wood fibers - lignin - is not water soluble.  It is soluble in anhydrous ammonia, an explosive and dangerous industrial agent.
    It is not soluble in household (5%) or 20%  ammonia. These just damage the planking.  Heat will loosen lignin and allow for more bending.  
    Water on the surface of the wood - when contacted by a dry heat source - becomes steam and penetrates the wood with more efficiency than just dry heat alone.  A microwave and wet paper towel wrapping,   or direct steam  will work.  Soaking in hot water works - but sort of reverses the original seasoning process a bit.  Ideal is to let the bent wood dry in its future conformation.  If you dry in an over bent conformation, try to keep that at a slight amount.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in DAUPHIN ROYAL 1668 by Heinrich der Seefahrer - 1/36 - Transom and side gallery model   
    About the hull -  the basic method -  explained in Deane's Doctrine - involves the heavy use of arcs. Because pieces of circles make up the cross sections and transitions between them to try to get a reasonable run along the hull make up the waterlines, there is a basic sameness in the shape below the main wale.  If you can get lines for a ship about the same age and size, they can be scale adjusted to the beam, depth, and length to your ship. The result would likely be "close enough for government work".
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    Jaager got a reaction from JeffT in HHardacre   
    If the bend in the thick dimension proves difficult - wood does not readily comply to doing that -  start with a wider plank and spill it to the up curve.
    Spill = spoil = waste a lot of wood cutting an "S" shape.  That is how it was really done - mostly.  The database here has planking tutorials the explain all this.
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    Jaager got a reaction from JeffT in HHardacre   
    The material that binds wood fibers - lignin - is not water soluble.  It is soluble in anhydrous ammonia, an explosive and dangerous industrial agent.
    It is not soluble in household (5%) or 20%  ammonia. These just damage the planking.  Heat will loosen lignin and allow for more bending.  
    Water on the surface of the wood - when contacted by a dry heat source - becomes steam and penetrates the wood with more efficiency than just dry heat alone.  A microwave and wet paper towel wrapping,   or direct steam  will work.  Soaking in hot water works - but sort of reverses the original seasoning process a bit.  Ideal is to let the bent wood dry in its future conformation.  If you dry in an over bent conformation, try to keep that at a slight amount.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in HHardacre   
    If the bend in the thick dimension proves difficult - wood does not readily comply to doing that -  start with a wider plank and spill it to the up curve.
    Spill = spoil = waste a lot of wood cutting an "S" shape.  That is how it was really done - mostly.  The database here has planking tutorials the explain all this.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in HHardacre   
    The material that binds wood fibers - lignin - is not water soluble.  It is soluble in anhydrous ammonia, an explosive and dangerous industrial agent.
    It is not soluble in household (5%) or 20%  ammonia. These just damage the planking.  Heat will loosen lignin and allow for more bending.  
    Water on the surface of the wood - when contacted by a dry heat source - becomes steam and penetrates the wood with more efficiency than just dry heat alone.  A microwave and wet paper towel wrapping,   or direct steam  will work.  Soaking in hot water works - but sort of reverses the original seasoning process a bit.  Ideal is to let the bent wood dry in its future conformation.  If you dry in an over bent conformation, try to keep that at a slight amount.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Napolean Prisoner of War Models   
    Zero information re: the actual models,, but there are two books

    Prisoner-of-war ship models, 1775-1825 Hardcover – 1973
    by Ewart C Freeston
    Prisoner of War: Bone Ship Models - Treasures from the Age of Napoleonic Wars Paperback – June 1, 2016
    by Manfred Stein
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    Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Home made thicknessing sander if   
    I made a machine using NRG plans - in the '70's  ?  
    The platten was Hard Maple -  The square stock was glued to a 1/2 cold rolled steel rod and the turned by a professional woodworker.  I did not and do not have a full size lathe.   At the time, the only media that I knew of was the 11x9 hardware store sheets, so I had the platten sized to take that = 11 inches long and 9 inches circumference.  I used Weldwood contact cement.  It was/ still is a bear to change.  Mineral spirits and naptha denature it,  but the paper backed media -- awful to remove.
     
    I have since discovered cloth backed sanding media - it is much better.
    Do over =  I would keep the diameter the same -  I would make the platten 12"   I would allow for 2 inch thick stock.
    My  imagination sees a thick platten as producing a better surface.
     
    Why 12" ?
    Klingspor makes long rolls of open coat Al oxide in 3" and 4" widths.
    With 12 inches, I could have 4 inches of 80 grit,  4 inches of 120 grit, and 4 inches of 220 grit.
    A rubber platten is almost certain to be out of round.  Commercial sleeves - vampires on your wallet.
    A soft platten  - Velcro = heartache.
    I am pretty sure that if you use cloth backed and coat both the media and the platten with rubber cement  - it should hold.  It has a thinner/solvent and it is a magnitude easier than contact cement to use -  easier application -  a no contest for removal..
    You will need to buy it in quarts.
     
    A dust hood is vital.
    I made one.    It is an open box with a 2.5"  shop vac connection on the top.
    I made it by Titebond III  gluing 3 layers of Amazon box cardboard together and using that for the 4 sides and top.
    It is good quality cardboard and with two layers of PVC - it is strong and light weight.
    The inside corners have 1/4" x 1/4" Pine sticks  and also at the top to take the screws for the shop vac hose socket.
    Covered the outside with duct tape.
    Keeping it in place and having no weight/ force from the vac hose is the most difficult chore. 
     
    Jim Byrnes unit is 6"  - friction clamp - easy to change --  Klingspor 3"  two pieces
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from pontiachedmark in Confusing Instructions - Dapper Tom   
    They are permanent blocks fixed into the bulwarks.  Old Ben just did not detail the sheave in fig. B-5.  He is showing you that the top is flush with the bottom of the rail.  I think at least one is for a main sail sheet.  If you do not add sails, there may not be a line that uses them on your model.
    With the attention this causes,  I am thinking about the physics  and that in this instance, the force on the sail is partially transferred to a more substantial part of the bulwark than a pin rail.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Home made thicknessing sander if   
    I made a machine using NRG plans - in the '70's  ?  
    The platten was Hard Maple -  The square stock was glued to a 1/2 cold rolled steel rod and the turned by a professional woodworker.  I did not and do not have a full size lathe.   At the time, the only media that I knew of was the 11x9 hardware store sheets, so I had the platten sized to take that = 11 inches long and 9 inches circumference.  I used Weldwood contact cement.  It was/ still is a bear to change.  Mineral spirits and naptha denature it,  but the paper backed media -- awful to remove.
     
    I have since discovered cloth backed sanding media - it is much better.
    Do over =  I would keep the diameter the same -  I would make the platten 12"   I would allow for 2 inch thick stock.
    My  imagination sees a thick platten as producing a better surface.
     
    Why 12" ?
    Klingspor makes long rolls of open coat Al oxide in 3" and 4" widths.
    With 12 inches, I could have 4 inches of 80 grit,  4 inches of 120 grit, and 4 inches of 220 grit.
    A rubber platten is almost certain to be out of round.  Commercial sleeves - vampires on your wallet.
    A soft platten  - Velcro = heartache.
    I am pretty sure that if you use cloth backed and coat both the media and the platten with rubber cement  - it should hold.  It has a thinner/solvent and it is a magnitude easier than contact cement to use -  easier application -  a no contest for removal..
    You will need to buy it in quarts.
     
    A dust hood is vital.
    I made one.    It is an open box with a 2.5"  shop vac connection on the top.
    I made it by Titebond III  gluing 3 layers of Amazon box cardboard together and using that for the 4 sides and top.
    It is good quality cardboard and with two layers of PVC - it is strong and light weight.
    The inside corners have 1/4" x 1/4" Pine sticks  and also at the top to take the screws for the shop vac hose socket.
    Covered the outside with duct tape.
    Keeping it in place and having no weight/ force from the vac hose is the most difficult chore. 
     
    Jim Byrnes unit is 6"  - friction clamp - easy to change --  Klingspor 3"  two pieces
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in The Length of oars for a ship's boat (edited by admin)   
    The Index for NRJ  vol.25  1979
    has a reprint of data from Secretary's Monthly Letter  #6  July 1948
    Specifications for oar of various boats of theUSN for the year 1900
     
    there is a diagram and a table.  There are 15 data points for each oar and 10 different oars.
     
    I trust that it is a part of CD 1
     
    It may produce an anacronism for an earlier time,  but at least the oar would be a real oar.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Confusing Instructions - Dapper Tom   
    They are permanent blocks fixed into the bulwarks.  Old Ben just did not detail the sheave in fig. B-5.  He is showing you that the top is flush with the bottom of the rail.  I think at least one is for a main sail sheet.  If you do not add sails, there may not be a line that uses them on your model.
    With the attention this causes,  I am thinking about the physics  and that in this instance, the force on the sail is partially transferred to a more substantial part of the bulwark than a pin rail.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Early 18th century 50 vs 70 gun ship   
    Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships  should provide the dimensions for most everything.  50 gun 1719  is one of the entries.
     
    Although frigates were just evolving,  I am thinking that a 50  would not offer much more fire power than 44 gun frigate,
    yet with the extra deck - be slower, and more cumbersome.  It might be a better home for an admiral, but that is a self serving reason to build a 50 or 60.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Ship building newby   
    A common way to become overwhelmed and bail on this whole endeavor is to start with too advanced a project. 
     
    I am very old school, so grain of salt and all that:
    You might take a look at MS Phantom --
    Solid hull - it has beautiful lines.
    A down size is that it is 1:96.  That is the inflection point for entry into the miniature.  That is where the physical limitations of wood enter into a simulation of components instead of replication.   For a first model, that is not really a factor to worry about.  You could also use a really thin veneer and try planking above the copper.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Home made thicknessing sander if   
    I made a machine using NRG plans - in the '70's  ?  
    The platten was Hard Maple -  The square stock was glued to a 1/2 cold rolled steel rod and the turned by a professional woodworker.  I did not and do not have a full size lathe.   At the time, the only media that I knew of was the 11x9 hardware store sheets, so I had the platten sized to take that = 11 inches long and 9 inches circumference.  I used Weldwood contact cement.  It was/ still is a bear to change.  Mineral spirits and naptha denature it,  but the paper backed media -- awful to remove.
     
    I have since discovered cloth backed sanding media - it is much better.
    Do over =  I would keep the diameter the same -  I would make the platten 12"   I would allow for 2 inch thick stock.
    My  imagination sees a thick platten as producing a better surface.
     
    Why 12" ?
    Klingspor makes long rolls of open coat Al oxide in 3" and 4" widths.
    With 12 inches, I could have 4 inches of 80 grit,  4 inches of 120 grit, and 4 inches of 220 grit.
    A rubber platten is almost certain to be out of round.  Commercial sleeves - vampires on your wallet.
    A soft platten  - Velcro = heartache.
    I am pretty sure that if you use cloth backed and coat both the media and the platten with rubber cement  - it should hold.  It has a thinner/solvent and it is a magnitude easier than contact cement to use -  easier application -  a no contest for removal..
    You will need to buy it in quarts.
     
    A dust hood is vital.
    I made one.    It is an open box with a 2.5"  shop vac connection on the top.
    I made it by Titebond III  gluing 3 layers of Amazon box cardboard together and using that for the 4 sides and top.
    It is good quality cardboard and with two layers of PVC - it is strong and light weight.
    The inside corners have 1/4" x 1/4" Pine sticks  and also at the top to take the screws for the shop vac hose socket.
    Covered the outside with duct tape.
    Keeping it in place and having no weight/ force from the vac hose is the most difficult chore. 
     
    Jim Byrnes unit is 6"  - friction clamp - easy to change --  Klingspor 3"  two pieces
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in What type of wood is this?   
    I know your sentiment .   I am facing the same thing. 
    At 1:60 - a two or three decker  absorbs a lot more wood than I had imagined for the framing.  At larger scales the superior characteristics of true Boxwood are not really necessary.  Less expensive and replaceable domestic species will suffice.  At 1:96 or smaller,  the Boxwood would really shine and your supply would go a long way -- ( but the amount lost to kerf and chips becomes a larger fraction ).   But miniature is a whole nuther thing.
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