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Thanks. At some stage I also plan to build a boeier or a tjotter, but not a 'modern' yacht, rather a mid-19th century one ... so I collected material while I was in the area.
 
Incidentally, the Dutch national archives and some museums have a lot of plans for downloading.

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

Good to know that van Konijnenburg's are on archive.org. I have vols. II and III as originals, but was missing vol. I.

Thanks. At some stage I also plan to build a boeier or a tjotter, but not a 'modern' yacht, rather a mid-19th century one ... so I collected material while I was in the area.
 
Incidentally, the Dutch national archives and some museums have a lot of plans for downloading.

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

I tried to use paper - because it so easy to work with and doesn't make a lot of dust - for a steel-ship, but even when soaking it in woodprimer, I found that the crisp edges needed were not possible with this material. However, I think for 'old-time' wooden ships it is a very suitable material, if one does not work in too small scales.

Paper is a very versatile building material - when you get away from the classical cut-out paper modelling. Your model is quite a tour de force, showing what can be done ! We had seen this already in your article in our journal LOGBUCH 👍

Well done ! What's the radius of it ? Just to get a better idea of the scale.

Nice metal-work ! How did you do the bearding/rail on the sponsons ?

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

Thanks. At some stage I also plan to build a boeier or a tjotter, but not a 'modern' yacht, rather a mid-19th century one ... so I collected material while I was in the area.
 
Incidentally, the Dutch national archives and some museums have a lot of plans for downloading.

There are actually various official instructions, at least for the 19th century. As pointed out by mtaylor, the surface treatment indeed depended on the material used. Off the top of my memory, the following procedures were applied in general:
 
- bronze guns were either left untreated and attained a greenish patina or where treated e.g. with sulfur-containing compounds to obtain a brownish or greenish-blackish patina; there are various recipes for this.
 
- high-graphite cast-iron, does rust in patches, rather than uniformly, therefore, cast-iron guns were painted (usually) black; paints were made up from lineseed oil with lamp-black (soot) as pigment; guns would not allowed to become so hot that the carbon in the lamp-black would oxidise/ignite - at such a temperature the barrel would distort.
 
- cast-steel muzzle-loading guns were carefully degreased and then rubbed with vinegar; this rubbing with vinegar was repeated until a uniform brown iron-oxihydroxide and -acetate layer was formed that attached well to the barrel; the barrel was then rubbed in lineseed oil, effectively generating in situ a redish-brown paint; care was taken to not touch the bore with the vinegar; the procedure was repeated periodically as needed.
 
- cast-/wrought-steel breech-loading guns could not be treated that way or otherways the delicate lock mechanisms might become corroded, as it would be difficult/tedious to remove the vinegar from these parts; such guns were painted again in oil paints - often in dark brown to resemble the treatment of earlier steel guns, in black, in yellow, or later in grey, as appropriate to the colour scheme of the navy.

Well done ! What's the radius of it ? Just to get a better idea of the scale.

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

Didn't see the building-log until now - excellent progress and excellent work !
 
DE SPERWER is preserved in the Zuiderzeemuseum in Enkhuizen/NL. Here you can check out various detail pictures that I took of her, when I lived in the area for a some years: https://www.maritima-et-mechanika.org/maritime/zuiderzee/zuiderzee.html
 
She has an interesting history. She was built as yacht from the beginning, while boeiers were sort of representative boats for well-to-do people in a country when there were not many roads and no motor-cars. Kind of Dutch Mercedes of the 19th century. They were also used as kind of long-distance taxis or inspection boats. DE SPERWER was owned by a certain Merlin Minshall, an adventurer, who worked for British intelligence during WWII, where he met Ian Fleming, who partially modelled 'James Bond' after him.
 
There is a monograph on the boeiers, albeit in the Dutch language:
 
VERMEER, J. (2004): De Boeier.- 528 p., Alkmaar (De Alk & Heijnen Watersport).
 
BTW, what part of the World are you from ? I seem to see some kind of Dutch/Belgian/Northern French houses through the window in one of your pictures ...

I tried to use paper - because it so easy to work with and doesn't make a lot of dust - for a steel-ship, but even when soaking it in woodprimer, I found that the crisp edges needed were not possible with this material. However, I think for 'old-time' wooden ships it is a very suitable material, if one does not work in too small scales.

Paper is a very versatile building material - when you get away from the classical cut-out paper modelling. Your model is quite a tour de force, showing what can be done ! We had seen this already in your article in our journal LOGBUCH 👍

I have also been battling with the subject of very small chains (actually chain rails in 1:160 scale) and found a (for the moment at least) reasonably satisfactory solution by twisting together two strands of wire of the scale thickness of the wire from which the chain would have been made - as you did, but then twisting two strands of these twisted wires together in the opposite direction. Looks reasonably close to a twisted chain ... no pictures yet, as I did only some experiments.

Just a couple of additions to Ed's well-reasoned response:
 
- here and on other fora there has been a repeated discussion of what actually 'tar' is. To summarise: in the pre-industrial ages this was a destillation product from resinous tree-bark, namely that of pine-trees; the Eastern Baltic area was a major source, due to the prevalence of such trees there and considerable amounts where shipped through Stockholm, hence the stuff became know as Stockholm Tar; this tar varies in colour, but is essentially dark brown. The two main byproducts from coal destillation to obtain town-gas were coke and various tars; these are chemically different from the wood-tar and essentially black or very dark brown in colour; their smell is also different; due to the large quantities of town-gas produced from the 1840s on, also large quantities of tar became available and began to replace Stockholm Tar, being a lot cheaper. Both products have different properties and, hence, different applications. Stockholm Tar stays sticky, unless whethered at sea, while some of the coal-tar solidify and become quite dry, one volatiles have gassed off.
 
- hemp is a natural fibre and changes its property with humidity content mainly, even if the strands of the rope had been tarred originally; so adjusting the rigging is mostly likely a need over a period of months or years; covering the lanyards in thick Stockholm Tar would make this more difficult, covering in thick coal-tar almost impossible.
 
- the sailing properties of ship depend on many factors, including the trim, the draught, and the rake of the masts; it is known that masters optimised the rigging for given conditions in order to improve the sailing performance; so lanyards stuck in the dead-eyes would not help.
 
- we should not be mislead by the appearance of static museum ships; there compromises have to made for the lack of the continuous and intensive maintenance a working vessel would see; so on such ships you are likely to see a lot of paint and tar slapped onto parts that are prone to deterioration.
 
- also on modern ships rigged with steel wire supporting steel masts you are likely to see many more parts being virtually immobilised with thick coats of paint or tar, because there is no need for adjustment.

Yes, that PROXXON is a nice little machine. If it was mine, however, I would replace the revolving plastic handles on the cranks with fixed ones made from some polished metal - gives you much more positive feel of what you are doing, when you are cranking. I even would see to replace them with ball-handle cranks.

Well done ! What's the radius of it ? Just to get a better idea of the scale.

Nice metal-work ! How did you do the bearding/rail on the sponsons ?

Well done ! What's the radius of it ? Just to get a better idea of the scale.