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1st pic: Stupidly cutted off my scaling ruler on the top of the papers...

Thanks John and Tom.. Kerry I am glad to hear my log can be of some help... Thanks for commenting.. 
 
  I have fitted second garboard plank and adjusted them to appropriate angles, pictures should show this.. You can see difference from first layer planking..
 
  I am really taking baby steps, working out planking layout and am making sure i dont finish short of a plank, my gap between top planking and garboard is 84mm which is 14 planks if the planks are 6mm wide like kit says they are, but they are actually around 5.7 mm, this is okay as i end up losing about 0.5 mm per 5 plank runs.. So i fall short about a third of a plank over the 14 .. I figure i will take a milli-shave off a few planks and end up where i need.  Best to be taking some off than ending with a gap i gather.. Regards Ollie

1900 Hyman Rickover, American admiral who is considered the "Father of the Atomic Submarine."
 
1671 - Pirate Henry Morgen lands at Panama City

Love the color choices S.os.! For a master class in artful weathering, you should check out Nazgul's (Matti's) build log of the Wasan. Matti's results are magical.

Removable port lids don't seem to be that rare.   The split lids on 1854 Constellation and others had the top lid being removable. The lower one just hung down the side. While these are not the same as those under discussion, it might be relevant.   Xebecs use a single side hinged lid per port and some were removable, others not.  And then there's my current headache...err... project..  Had lids as built in 1755 but after the rebuild it seems the lids disappeared.  
 
Which gives rise to another question.. could lids have been "captain's choice"??? 

27th January
 
 
1695
Capture of Content and Trident by an English Squadron.
1801
HMS Oiseau (32), Cptn. Linzee, and HMS Sirius (36), Cptn. Richard King, captured Dedaigneuse (36) off Cape Finisterre.
HMS Amethyst  (36), Capt. John Cooke, and HMS Sirius (36), Cptn. Richard King, captured the Spanish letter of marque Charlotta some 20 miles north of Cape Belem
HMS Concorde (36), Cptn. Barton, engaged Bravure about 75 miles west of Cape Finisterre.
1807
HMS Lark (16), Cptn. Robert Nicholas, captured two Spanish guarda costa schooners bound for Porto Bello,Postillon (3) and Carmen (5).
HMS Jason (32), Cptn. Thomas John Cochrane, re-took Favourite (16), Lt. Le Marant Daniel, off the Soramine River, Surinam.
1813
HMS Daring (12), Lt. William R. Pascoe, was run ashore on Tamara (one of the Loss Islands, off Guinea) and burnt when threatened by two French frigates, Arethuse and Rubis.
1816
Samuel Hood died

Best of luck with the planking, I am just at that stage myself but won't be starting until Wed next (Work etc, well that and the fact that I'm having a Lazy Sunday    )
 
Eamonn

So, here is the repair.
There is a very faint light line across the middle of the stem piece that is much more visible in the photo (if you click to enlarge) than to the naked eye.
The repair was easier than expected, since all the breaks were extremely clean. I was so intent to get it fixed that I neglected to include the process!! I drilled both parts of the stem and used toothpicks as dowels, then glued them together. The trickiest part was measuring the receiving holes in the main stem for the broken part containing the dowels. (I used a very, very low tech and unusual method with exceptional results)
 

 

 
I was almost ready for an update just before the "great crash". The columns were fashioned and installed along with the edge piece for the quarterdeck. Also the shell decoration was fashioned and installed at the stern top.
 

 

 
The last of the gratings are now finished and installed.
 

 

 
I found some wonderful bead holders in the jewelry section of Michael's then flatened them and cut parts away to achieve the desired leaf shapes for both sides of the round gun ports.
 

 

 
The exacto knife was put into action again, carving some of the stern decorations. At 1:96 scale, the inner vine and leaf pattern I wanted was just too small to carve, so I coated fine rigging line with white glue and fashioned the vines and leaves that way. I am pleased with the end result since it was to be painted gold anyway.
 

 

 

 

 
There you have it, repairs and a little progress too.
 
 
(Forgot to add that I am now experimenting with gun port linings just in case anyone spots the two that I have temporarily test fitted and forgot to remove for the photos)  
 

This is an excellent discussion; thanks everyone for weighing in and adding to the dialogue—this ability to share and discuss ideas within our community is one of the many outstanding aspects that makes MSW so great!    
I mentioned yesterday that I didn’t see port lids on the several other circa 1763 cutter draughts I’ve looked at.  If I were building one of those ships, I would definitely leave port lids off those builds unless I found proof that they where used by that ship in that ship’s primary source documentation (for instance, its logs).  From just the draughts though, there just is no evidence that those ships had or used port lids.
 
In the case of the Sherbourne, the lids definitely are in both of her as-built draughts as opposed to her as-designed draught. 
 
CHN 0224: As Built

 
CHN 0102: As Built

 
ZAZ 6381: As Designed

 
So for the Sherbourne, I believe a builder is on very solid ground if they choose to include them in their build. 
 
To take the ports lids a step further, yesterday I theorized that the side-hinged port lids may have been removable using a hinge system similar to a rudder gudgeon-and-pintle arrangement. 
 
Rough Drawing:

 
Here are some facts along with some of my assumptions behind that theory:
 
We can see where half of a lid will be over backstays at the aft port in both as-built draughts:  perhaps not a great thing with permanently mounted lids; also, the lids wouldn't fully swinging open.
 
Aft port of both as-built draughts:
 
 
One of the highest deck-to-sheer-rail-top locations is the forward port at about 3'-3" (~1m), while the distance from the sheer rail to a port-lid lower edge is about 2' (~61cm):  a lower port-lid edge would be within about an arm’s reach of a sailor bending over the sheer rail.  From quick measurements, I get 9-1/2” w x 11” h x 1” thick (~24cm x ~28cm x ~2.5cm) dimensions for a half lid:  the lids wouldn’t be too heavy to lift (a down-and-dirty weight for a square foot (~0.3 sq m) of oak is ~4lbs. - ~1.8kg).  The channel is inset by about 6” (~15cm) from the 2nd port opening and about 9” (~23cm) from the 3rd port opening and thus would interfere with fully swinging open both those port half lids:  potentially two more reasons for removable lids.  With the exceptions of heavy seas, overall I can see how permanent mounted side-hinged lids could be generally a pain in the rear.   
 
The theory I just presented also can be a basis for not attaching lids:  Pintles at the ports would make for some nice details, too.   
 
However, all of this extra about removable port lids is just a theory based on a combination of facts and my assumptions that is fun stuff to share and consider about the ship.     I wouldn't pass this off as anything other than as a theory that’s wholly open to debate and to differing opinions unless I came across information in Sherbourne primary source documentation, like ship logs or etc., that either conclusively proved or disproved that the lids were removable.  Plus, how many folks will even notice this type of detail in a 1:64 or a 1:48 build?  
 
The draughts on their own simply don’t offer enough information on this to say one-way or the other that her port lids were removable or that port lids were even used throughout her entire career!  At this point, all I can definitely state about port lids are that they are depicted on both her as-built draughts.   
 
Cheers,
Jay

Hello stan ; 
 
I usually use 4mm plywood. It's easy to find and cheaper than other thicknesses. 3mm or 4 mm will be fine guess. Hm? 
 
Bugra.

Thanks to all of you - I'll begin with somethine quite primitive... the building yard board. Just glueing the waterline and inverted waterline drawing together to know where the sections have to been put.
 
But this'll be tomorrows work.
 
What would be the best plywood thickness to buy fore the backbone and formers-bulkheads?

Independence is correct, Kevin.
 
Independence, 90 x 32 pound guns and the first ship of the line of the United States Navy, was built in time to assist Constitution in defending Boston Harbor during the Anglo-American War of 1812. After the war Independence served as flagship of the Mediterranean Squadron which joined with Stephen Decatur's squadron in a show of strength after Decatur's success in defeating the North African pirate states in the Second Barbary War. Independence, which had an acknowledged problem with riding too low in the water to open the lower deck gunports in even moderate seas, was razeed in 1836 to a very heavy "frigate" armed with 54 x 32 pound guns. This change greatly improved her speed and seaworthiness making her the fastest ship in the US Navy. She served as flagship on several stations (in one case being chosen over the new three-decked Pennsylvania) until 1857 when she was assigned duty as the receiving ship at Mare Island Navy Yard in San Francisco Bay for the next 55 years until 1912. In 1915, after being sold and stripped of everything of value, she was burned on a mud flat to recover the remaining scrap metal. The sturdy veteran of the days of wooden ships and iron men had survived more than a century, 98 years of which were spent serving the US Navy.
 

The razee Independence in 1837 by Rear Admiral Schmidt painted for the then new USS Independence (CV-62) [in service 1959-1998].
 

The receiving ship Independence ca 1895. I find this image very saddening in contrast to the painting above.
 
 
Your turn, Kevin.
 

'Eamonn's Filler Shop' will be open for business soon.. franchises are available!
 
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I think you had best 'go for it Kevin'..
 
Eamonn
 
We have her DF', were just wanting to open the game out to others, wonderful ship by the way with an interesting history (she got around!)

'Eamonn's Filler Shop' will be open for business soon.. franchises are available!
 
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Coming along quite nicely, Eammon.  Good luck with the planking - I know now where to run to get filler when the stores are sold out!

No Problem mate,I think our posts crossed in cyberspace because you hadn't posted that update when I was writing my post Yours will get priority anyway,working for CNN        
Kind Regards Nigel

Ok then, we have the Bulwarks glued in place, No End of 'Faff' involved there as plans say to be sure that it reaches the top of all bulkhead 'Horns' well that aint gonna happen as said horns vary in height somewhat! also if you keep the tops all level (Bulwark & Bulkhead Horns) then you are unlikely to meet the top of the transom, so I had to 'interpret' it a bit by keeping Transom /Bulwarks Level, some of the midships B/Heads Level and the Fore Most B/H level.  Later when I do the Sherbourne this will have to be done exactly as the Cannons won't fit if the Bulwarks are misplaced! but on the Ballahoo it shouldn't be a problem as there is no ordinance towards the stern (Oh Oh! those famous last words again.. :mellow: )
I'll cut out the Capping Rails tomorrow to make sure the Lines of the Bulwark are ok in relation to it, so there is no guarantee that they are in their final position!!
 
Below is a quick photo of todays work..
 
Bye For Now.
 
Eamonn
 

Well, clearly I'm late to the party here, but good luck with version two. As far as version one, after salvaging what you can, might it be beneficial to keep her around as a frame of reference (no pun intended) so you can see where the mistakes were (as painful as they may be) and avoid repeating them?
 
That's why I still keep in touch with my first wife. :-)
 
-Bug

Thanks a lot all   
 
Done another few hours work
 

 
I have made another hatch/roof thingummy
That is the last large item for the deck though there are quite a few gears and rigging bits to go on 
I have also given most things their final coat of paint and some stain where I think it should be dark natural
I am at my club tomorrow so not a lot will get done, but my next job is 'glazing' all the windows and fitting window frames
Then I need to start fitting things followed by making the rest of the pulleys etc using purely drawing as there are little to no instructions   

Eamonn,
 
I'm certain it won't be as bad as that – and you do have to leave some filler for others.
 
Looking forward, of course, to your beginning on Sherbourne.

It is the USS Independence 1814, 90 gun Ship of the line.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Independence_%281814%29

Thanks Kester,
 
Pull up the proverbial chair and prepare for some laughs as I attempt to plank.. I have a container load of Filler on back order (in fact I think I may have cornered the 'Filler market' )
 
Sherbourne is only a few weeks away from having her Keel Laid (I allowed myself 1st or 2nd planking on Ballahoo before swapping over)
 
Thanks for dropping by.
 
Eamonn

Thanks Eamonn. Going to start the hull planking today. Fingers crossed I got the bulkheads aligned without adjustments!

Thanks Eamonn - she is really a beauty - wait for the pics coming next... that's a honey!
 
Geetrings to the Greenest Island ->
!!!