kruginmi

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Patrick, thanks for stopping by!
 
I was pretty surprised with this cross section.  Having completed the full model in the Admiralty Style I had originally thought this was just going to be just a small scale repetition of that build.  I never knew what I didn't know.  The inter-relationship between all the components has really been brought home.  You can read as much as you want, but until you build......
 
Everything is there for a purpose, usually specifically tied to other parts of the build (like the thickstuff).  This build has been an excellent learning experience for me prior to undertaking a fully planked one (internally and externally).  I am looking forward to raising the mast one day in the future.
 
I like your simplicity comment.  Once you put in all the work and you do achieve that simplicity in look that is a key indicator that it was done right.  Hopefully this will continue in the future (without any more REDOs!).
 
Mark

Hi Mark
 
Looking at your cross section, I can't help but think: Structurally beautiful in its simplicity, yet, deceptively complex in its construction.
 
You're doing a great job and I especially like how crisp and clean your workmanship is.
 
Nice job!
 
Cheers
 
Patrick

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Question:  Filler Pieces.  
 
Another thread on this forum has talked about filler pieces - wood between the frames from the keel up to a certain level to stop water being caught between the frames and causing rot.
 
This would then form a smooth run under the limber boards for water to pass.  I 'assume' that the frame location where the pumps are do not have them to create the trough through which the pumps actually work.
 
This cross section does have the pumps included and I intend to keep a couple of limber boards off to show underneath.
 
Now is the time to add them, the question is do I have the right intent and should I?  Suggestions welcomed.
 
Mark

Question:  Filler Pieces.  
 
Another thread on this forum has talked about filler pieces - wood between the frames from the keel up to a certain level to stop water being caught between the frames and causing rot.
 
This would then form a smooth run under the limber boards for water to pass.  I 'assume' that the frame location where the pumps are do not have them to create the trough through which the pumps actually work.
 
This cross section does have the pumps included and I intend to keep a couple of limber boards off to show underneath.
 
Now is the time to add them, the question is do I have the right intent and should I?  Suggestions welcomed.
 
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Sorry Nils, but 2.5 - 3 years for a 'normal' experienced builder (actually probably more like 3 to 4).
 
You, I am betting on under 2 years to completion.
 
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

No truer words were ever spoken.  That's when you go into your happy dance.
 
Bob

Grant - I do believe the sled is more accurate than the disc sander.  I am not pushing the material into the sander, but positioning it exactly as I want on the sled before cutting.  Greater control (the piece in question never moves by itself).  Guaranteed 90 degree angle.  Also no possible rocking or wobble on the join end resulting from inserting or extracting the piece from the sander.
 
Lou - Can't figure out what you mean by c/l and am 'assuming' you are referring to my cross brace at the top of the frame.  In my previous Druid I had noticed even with all the effort of cutting an accurate jig for the base being off a millimeter here or there (or more) was easy to do.  This resulted in frames being slightly compressed or pushed out.  This was accounted for in more sanding of the whole hull.  This just seemed a natural solution to keep everything trued up.  My goal is not to clamp to the jig but it should just slip in and glue (once assured it is centered).
 
Mark

As we say in the Army, no plan survives first contact and it was proven true once again.
  After rubber cementing the futtock templates to the Basswood sheet (grain oriented correctly) I cut each one out with about a 1/16" buffer, which was sanded to shape on the drum sander.  For the joining edges I used my sled on the table saw for precise angles (match the cuts).  Guaranteed straight and perfect 90 degrees.  I could shave off a 1/64th safely using this method.     The first layer was finalized (paper template removed) and glued together piece by piece over a copy of the frame (with wax paper). Then I finished each piece of the second layer and added each one separately to the existing finished layer.  I had thought of making the second layer independently and then joining both whole layers together but the piece by piece looked to be the better and more accurate solution.   In the following pic I was using the second layer pieces as clamp aids for the first layer.     After everything dried I did a gentle sanding by hand of all the surfaces.     I finished frame 19 first (second one in) since it will be totally covered up.  After I am confident in my technique I can then do the exposed frames of 18 and 27 (one side exposed each).  Next up is frame 26 so I can also start working on the base jig and get that trued up.  With everything going on, hope to have the skeleton complete and setup during Christmas break.   Very happy with this approach.  More time than with the original Druid but a lot less wood.   Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Hi
this has all been a great help.
I would like an automatic table but suspect that would be a future item. I have too many tools that I still want.
 
The chair I use is adjustable si it probably makes sense to go with standard desk height.
 
The idea of a "riser" that i can use when I need close up work is a nice and simple solution for the immediate future.
 
I am checking cabinets and there are some good buys at Home Depot. I also found some a bit more expensive on amazon. They have 5,6 or seven short drawers that would be great for tools an supplies.
 
I appreciate all the ideas.
 
 
Now, for a trip to Home Depot. If it comes out decent I'll post a picture.
 
Richard

Sorry Nils, but 2.5 - 3 years for a 'normal' experienced builder (actually probably more like 3 to 4).
 
You, I am betting on under 2 years to completion.
 
Mark