rybakov

And here comes another round of cardboard dummies with refined partitioning before I move on to produce the final ones.
 
As the Vic was an admirals ship in 1805 there were a lot of extra personal on board. This made me opt for a forth cabin as shown on Royal Sovereign in 1807.
ZAZ0083  http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79874.html

 

 

 

 

 
XXXDAn

Here are some pictures aut of my Harland Seamanship, showing the steering by the chains and other stories.
 
XXXDAn

I love this photo for a lot of reasons. here it serves well to illustrate the flags position in relation to the square sails and the point of sail the ship is on. In this case the ship is being sailed as close to the wind as possible,  she is trying to point in the same direction the wind is blowing from. She can't sail directly into the eye of  the wind. But if she braces her yards around as far as they can go, so far that the sails are contacting the stays as is visible in the photo, she can get within six points of the eye of the wind. She is said to be "Close Hauled" and in this case she is close hauled on the starboard tack, since the wind is coming over the Starboard side. The flags as you can see are streaming aft and to port. 
The flags are ACTUALLY indicating a very very slightly different direction of the true wind since the speed of the ship through the water makes them behave a tiny bit differently than a stationary flag on a fixed point in the wind would behave. So if she was sailing past a rock with a flag on it, the flags on the ship and the flag on the rock would be at very slightly different angles. The one on the rock indicating the True Wind and the ones on the ship indicating the Apparent Wind.

Usually the anchor chain was divided in eight 15 fathom lenghts conected by patent links or shackles. Normally eight such lenghts.
To keep track of how much chain was out a number of links on both sides of the shackle were painted white.
Also  a lenght of wire was twisted around the stay of the corresponding link, i.e. the third shackle would have three white links on either side
of the shackle and a twist of wire on the third link on either side.
As for red connecting links I don't really recall seeing it
Sometimes a dozen or so links nearer to the anchor were also painted white to make it easier to see when nearing the surface an start
reducing winch speed.
I wasn't sailing in the 30s but I sailed on some trawlers not much younger and I'm pretty sure the way they were run by the bosuns wasn't
that much different.

Thank you Rich and Marc,
 
speaking in football/soccer language: I believe in a 1-2-3 System ...
 
... one month blockade duty off Nantes or Brest makes more damage to the ship than two hostile encounters with three french ships ...
 
XXXDAn

And once things move ...
 
... keep things moving :-)
 
Set up both second backstays ...
 

 
... now just missing the breast backstay.
 

 
And holy Impatience, wanted to see the anchors in place ...
 

 
... the lead is thrown ...
 

 
... and *enjoy*
 

 
XXXDAn

Folks -
 
I'll make one last pitch for the absence of the gun lids... 
 
Here are some credible sources all piled up:
 
Michel Felice Corné 1803 - commissioned by Commodore Preble:
 

 
Thomas Birch 1813 Constitution vs Guerriere - Based on interviews with participants:
 

 
"Hull" model 1812 - built by the crew and presented to Isaac Hull:
 

 
 
Michel Felice Corné 1812 Constitution vs Guerriere - commissioned by captain Hull and supervised by his purser Thomas Chew:

 
Nicholas Pocock Constitution vs Java - based on sketches by Lt Buchanan of HMS Java
 

 
Thomas Birch United States vs Macedonian - based on interviews with participants:
 

 
Now we can probably dig through each of these representations and find various flaws and discrepancies, but we can't dispute that ALL of these have something in common - no gun port lids.  Constitution, United States, Guerriere, Java, Macedonian... All shown without lids by different artists after consultation with crew and battle veterans.  We have log entries and journal accounts of water pouring in through the gun ports in heavy weather... But how can we modern folk reconcile the idea that these ships would sail without gun port lids and be so endangered on a voyage?
 
I think the absence of gun port lids is a vestige of the era when this class of ship had open gun decks - at least very open space along the waist - which were generally treated as "weather" decks.  It was common to not have lids on ports along the open waist and many of these ships would only have them  mounted on the most forward ports to minimize wetness from a plunging bow.  Sometimes the sternmost would also have protection against following seas, but all others would be without lids.  It was no big deal for the water to slosh in one side, across the deck, and out the other side and/or out the scuppers.  There are certainly examples of frigates being fitted with lids, but likely at the discretion of the captain.  We know from log entries that Preble had carpenters add lids during his tenure (which implies, of course, that none were there before).  The American spar deck frigates represented a transition away from the open waist and the utilization of the top deck for more guns and ship handling space.  The great success they had in the War of 1812 spurred the other naval powers to evolve their frigates away from the smaller open waisted types and into the big frigate era.  As the gun decks became more commonly enclosed, the gun port lids became more standard.
 
I certainly understand that most of my fellow modelers will not follow me down this path, but I would think that most would at least appreciate my reasoning and respect the fact that I'm basing my own representation on credible contemporary sources - specifically the Michel Felice Corné paintings and the Hull model - however illogical that may seem!
 
I'm glad that my build has inspired some deeper explorations of some elements of the great ship that defy conventional thinking... Stay tuned for the yellow stripe!
 
Thanks to all for the engaging discussion.
 
Evan

I just found a first contemporary hint to this topic:   In the book "Nicolas Pocock" from David Cordingly (Conways) there is an interesting remark on page 76.   Topic is the painting "The Defense at the Battle of the First of June" and it reports about the historical facts behind:   "Midshipman Dillon observed that,  ´The lower deck was at times so completely filled with smoke that we could scarcely distinguish each other, and the guns were so heated that, when fired, they nearly kicked the upper deck beams`"   As source is given: "Diary of William Dillon, midshipman in the Defense, Quoted in Warner, The Glorious First of June, p. 79" 
Looks to be from Warner, Oliver, The Glorious First of June, London 1961   So perhaps really more than only an invention of modern dramatisation?   Cheers, Daniel

I just came across this thread and I believe that hot guns jumped more than cold ones because of the heat transfer from the gun to the powder. Heated black powder will burn faster than when at normal temperatures, and so will modern smokeless powders, some types more then others. In the past I was very seriously involved in firearms marksmanship with several different firearms including black powder cartridge rifles. I noticed that my points of impact were always higher on the target, and sometimes that the recoil was noticeably heavier, on hot days than on cold days or when I left the ammo on the shooting bench in the sun, heating it. The same effect when applied to muzzle-loading cannon seems quite reasonable to me and the most likely primary cause of heavier recoil from hot guns.

I believe the second hypoyhesis is better as if you have a three point attachment
you can keep the boat steadier against rolling and pitching.
I came across a drawing (painting), I can't recall where that illustrates this perfectly.
 
 
Zeh

I believe the second hypoyhesis is better as if you have a three point attachment
you can keep the boat steadier against rolling and pitching.
I came across a drawing (painting), I can't recall where that illustrates this perfectly.
 
 
Zeh

Here are a couple pictures of the model Fly by Oidtman.
The first shows how he rigged the way he envisioned a boat to be lifted.
Both a stay and a yard are being used. (I may be wrong about the stay because of the second picture).

 
The second is more complicated, but it involves moving the boat to port using both main and fore yards
and all the tackles that are part of the whole process.

 
Not clearly shown is the fact that both yards would have to be lashed on starboard to counteract the force being carried on the post side.

As the hatches are in the midship plane I would assume that some sort of stay tackle would be used
as in this plate fron Steel's The art of Rigging
 
 
 
Hope it helps
 
Zeh

What do those guys and you have in common?
 

 
... ?!? ...
 

 
-No food for the wicked ;-)
 
Yet :-)
 
XXXDAn

Hello Dafi
 
According to John Masefield's "Sea life in Nelsons time"  the breech ropes were doubled for a general fleet engagement, as the recoil
would get more violent as the guns heated being continuouly fired.
 
I wonder what you'll find next to amaze us

Hi Daniel
 
Two possible explanations:
 
Powder burning produces gases and heat. It's that heat that makes the gases expand and increases pressure within
the barrel eventually expeling the ball.
the metal of the barrel absorbs some of that heat. As it gets warmer and warmer less and less heat it absorbs leaving more
to expand the gases leading to increased pressure higher muzzle velocity and higher recoil.
 
That's one
 
Another would be that as the gun heats the outside diameter increases and the inner diameter decreases as the muzzle wall
expands and you have a tighter fit with less pressure loss.
 
 
But sincerely....... I really don't know
 
 
All the best
Zeh

Hello Dafi
 
According to John Masefield's "Sea life in Nelsons time"  the breech ropes were doubled for a general fleet engagement, as the recoil
would get more violent as the guns heated being continuouly fired.
 
I wonder what you'll find next to amaze us

Hello Dafi
 
According to John Masefield's "Sea life in Nelsons time"  the breech ropes were doubled for a general fleet engagement, as the recoil
would get more violent as the guns heated being continuouly fired.
 
I wonder what you'll find next to amaze us

Here we went on in the lower deck, getting tighter ...
 
...first table dummies ...
 

 
... followed by some real model making ...
 

 
... first sitting trials ...
 

 
... and tight we go.
 

 

 

 
bom apetite! 
 
XXXDAn

And more tempting as the 1803 chain irons are the 1765 ones: same length but two pieces more!

Testing the lengths, carefully remembering that the outer ones are longer.



... homeopathic doses of solder ...



... degreased the wire, first soldering the single rings, then joining them on the central part, the flux with the solder embedded, small touch with the hot iron ...



... and the same game with the dead eye and the triple pack ...



... adjusting over the edge of a blade ...



... and comparison: bottom as cut, then solderd and on top adjusted. Inside length 4 mm :-)



A small jack done for thinning the deadeyes ...



... and painting them with casein paint to give a better to scale wood appearance than the original wood ...



... put on place ...



... made the batten to cover the channels ...



... and painted and rusted.





And here the comparison :-)



Cheers, Daniel

the chess table cells 1х1м  

Sooooooo after some time finally managed to do some new bricotage ...
 
... fitted the deadeyes ...
 

 
... used the revolutionairy Double-Twin-Super-Drive-Technology for grinding the needle heads ...
 

 
... put the batten ...
 

 
... and it looks even neater than the bits on my Vic :-)
 

 
Too take this back added some paint and rust ...
 

 

 

 

 
... and tomorrow once the paint is well dried, I can take it back a tad and do the finetuning :-)
 
Lieber Gruß, Daniel

continued
 

Good afternoon misters
I am sorry for my English пешу through the translator
I want to give you on court furniture for the big cabin
While only a table and chairs маштаб 1:48 and прцесс manufacturing
Material chairs самшыт
I will accept any criticism
Anatoly

Because its not on the Model Expo site yet....After many requests here it is by chapter

 

Introduction 

 

Chapter 1 

 

Chapter 2 

 

Chapter 3 

 

Chapter 4 

 

Chapter 5 

 

Chapter 6

 

Chapter 7 

 

Chapter 8

 

Chapter 9

 

Chapter 10

 

Chapter 11

 

Chapter 12

 

Chapter 13

 

Chapter 14 

 

Chapter 15

 

Chapter 16

 

Chapter 17

 

Chapter 18

 

Chapter 19

 

   THE END