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It's the small things in life that make the difference Mr Bunny Hope your back got to it's sturdy self again!!
 
Thanks for the thumbs up Sam

A tour in Marine Corps, never hurt my back. Seven years of boxing, never hurt my back. Years of high level football, never hurt my back. Years of lifting all sorts of very heavy objects at work, never hurt my back.
A kids birthday party, while grilling hamburgers and hotdogs, our little puppy walked behind my feet while I was stepping backward. Tried to avoid stepping on the pup and awkwardly fell backward but caught myself and no damage done...or so I thought until the next morning when I could not get up out of bed and had to crawl to my car to go to a doctor. 
The moral of the story, you can do extremely hard. heavy work all your life and a five pound puppy can end up wrecking your back.  Go figure.
 
Hope you get that back straightened out, Carl. I know first hand what a painful aggravation it can be.

At least your getting around better Carl, good to hear.
Sam

Back is hurtung less. Worked from home, which saved me the drive by car. Primed the hull ... unfortunately I can go back to the workbench, and pull some finer grained sandpaper from the stack. That'll have to wait till next week though.

Looking great  - some fine work going on.
 
 
OC.

Nice find Mr Bunny, thanks for the information, for now I stick to my piece of hot rod

These little paper embossing tools work fantastic for precision placement of super glue. The little ball on the end of the tool allows you to place a tiny "dot" of glue just where you want it.
 
https://www.amazon.com/Styluses-Embossing-Pattern-Sculpting-Making/dp/B008UN6H10/ref=sr_1_4?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1494009053&sr=1-4&keywords=embossing+tools+for+paper
 
 

just be careful of the fumes......they can't be good    

Ahah Denis!!!!  So this is what you've been up to.  I was reading your Thermopylae log this morning, in which you referred to the 'Jolly Roger' kit and I said 'what's he going on about?  Now, after visiting this Log, it all makes sense, now.
 
My God, you work fast!!!  You've done more work in three weeks than I would do in a year.  Mighty fine work, too.
 
I especially like the paint finishing with the flat black paint that you've done,   It gives the hull a really nice and authentic effect.
 
Keep up the great work
 
Cheers
 
Patrick
 

Hello Piet!
Long time no read my friend. Building another sub!!! You are becoming our deep sea guru! Anything special, or still a BIG secret? Thanks for passing by
 
I thought it rather mistifying ... or should I say blurring ...
 
The back is a lot better, I wish I could be tortured a bit longer by that lovely physiotherapist. She had a good hand in manipulating muscle tissue! I can twist and shout again, not as supple as 30 years ago, but movement without pain is back
 
Nearly ready to prime the hull ...
I found that using a piece of thin brass rod works far better to apply CA than a touthpick. You can burn off any build up glue from it with a lighter, which is very practicle!!!

LOL! Now that sounds like a song name. How is the back?
Sam

Pat,
Thanks, you put your finger on the sore spot: Slowly. In the end I'll get here
 
Sam,
Hadn't thought about that ... flying apple pie
 
Dennis,
If there is left, you can get another helping ... it's a pitty it takes 3.5 to 4 hours to make ... it seems I like it slow

single serving?                                                         
 
 

Well done on the bending Carl.
 
PE Catapults and apple pie, there is a Marks Brothers skit in there somewhere.
 
Sam

Those pics look familiar mate - nice bending work by the way.  You are slowly getting there
 
cheers
 
Pat

Besides having been a major nuisance to myself - debugging a program for bugs all week long - I have managed to accomplish some things on a more happy note. Sparkling PE
 
From parts to the full fledged thing a ma jig ... nearly forgot, one of the two airplane catapults ... (why didn't they use those for boats, much faster launching!)

 
 
 
 
Had a lovely Dutch sky Yesterday (just around the corner ...)

well......no.   I'm sure that if it was needed,  a spirit sail would be used.   but for the most part,  they relied on the studding sails to give them more speed.   exclude the running rigging for the sail and you should be good.   stay lines are OK....if I'm correct,  they will be attached to the hull using a dead eye and lanyards.   below deck gun ports......create boxes framed around the outer lip....cut the squared holes and install them as an insert {might save you some time}.   for the spar deck guns...if you can remove the cannons,  you'll have a better time of it.   framing them before you trim out the ports is a sound idea....might deter cracking....just keep a mind of the inner bulwarks {one can be seen in an earlier picture....did they do that?!?!?!} .    keep the blade sharp  

Popeye yeah my projects appear to be piling up.  Quiet literally.  The other big ship is a Cutty Sark.  Some one came into the club a while ago and was giving away kit's to whom ever thought they would finish them.  I initially kept it with an idea of doing a club model.  One I could bring in and every one could work on here and there if they wanted.  No one really took that on so I've been piddling away at it here and there.  I've had a long going ship in bottle commission so it hasn't gotten a lot of attention. 
 
As far as the gun ports I do know what I'm doing with those.  The upper deck I can get the cannons free and out of the way and I've been able to file them square.  Go to do the forecastle yet but those are pretty much done.  The lower deck I framed and painted the inside of the framing black to make it appear to be go into a dark hull.  You can see a side by side above.  This has worked out rather well.  I have the port side done and it looks a lot better for it.  I'll have to get more photos posted tonight. 
 
I see what your saying about the yard.  That is helpful.  From what I'm seeing there's stay lines going through the yard so I'm guessing it was more used for stabilization then an actual sprit sail.  With the martingale lines going beneath it there's really no space to use it as an actual spritsail.  I wonder if the creators of the kit got in wrong in that way.  They do have stay lines going through the yard which I think would defeat the purpose of the spritsail because it wouldn't be able to be adjusted for the wind.  They also bring the martingale lines way up to make room for the sail which defeats the purpose of the martingale because in that configuration it doesn't keep the bowsprit from flexing upward.  I'm starting to think I should leave the sail off.  Rig the martingale as it should be going all the way back to the stem and include the yard as a stabilizer and not a spritsail.  In the long run I think this saves me time since I'm not attaching the sail and rigging lines.  What do you think? 

hi Daniel!....just looked in here......surprised to see the genie has come out of the bottle?!?!?!  oh....I know.......your generosity is well known to me,  need not say more    I looked at images of this vessel.......I only saw one or two pictures with a spirit sail.....and a few with just the yard.   I may be wrong,  but this vessel has some similarities to the Connie, and she had the yard.  you could follow that direction and still be in the ballpark.   she also had the martingale too...that will suffice as more than enough detail for the bow  
   I agree about the job being cut out for you.......the gun ports look to be the biggest problem.   if time is the issue,  and what others have done looks OK......then leave it as is.   repairs or revisions can be very time consuming.   I will follow you on your journey  
 
I see you Jolly Rogers in there    what is that super looking hull against the wall?   a Cutty?

Yeah.  I'm seeing that.  There were a lot of steps missed or done incorrectly that I'm having to find creative ways to correct.  Like the gun ports.  If I were to venture a guess I'd say he built the hull which is done pretty well.  I understand he had family members who tried to help and that started at the deck furniture and masts.  These dont quiet have the same level of craftsmanship.  I could spend a lot of time redoing things but I don't have time.  At this point my mantra is, it doesn't have to be perfect it just needs to be done. 
 
I'm really debating what to do with the bowsprit.  I've got it partially rigged but the rigging the kit asks for is a little ridiculous.  This forum and my club has spoiled me as far as seeing whats realistic and whats not.  Fort it calls for a sprit sail.  In all the photos and drawings of this ship, 1797 and 1856 versions, they have never had a sprit sail.  My understanding is spritsails fell out of use with the invention of the jib in the early 18th century almost 100 years before this ship was built.  So...do I keep it as planned or change things up?  I'm still deciding but I'm curious about what every one thinks.  

Daniel
You definitely have your work cut out for you and with a time constraint no less.  Now it is a JOB not a hobby.  I just finished this model about a year and a half ago.  It was tricky build if it was not done in the right order.
Tom

I tried to cut the cannon ports with a small saw and a file but I risked tearing the planking apart.  So I went back to an old ship in bottle technique.  I framed the gun ports and painted the inside black.  It isn't as nice as open gun ports would be but it's nicer than torn up planking or no gun ports at all.   
 

This build has a bit of a backstory to it.  I'm currently the Skipper for the Rocky Mountain Shipwrights an incredible ship modeling club in the Denver area.  I sometimes get calls from outside the club requesting help with models particularly fixing up old models.  I try to help them best I can and there's a couple of us that don't mind helping people with that sort of work.  Well I got a call from a lady that needed some help.  Her father was trying to complete a ship model but his hands had gotten to shaky.  I told her I'd come have a look.  So I go and meet this man and have a look at the ship.  He told me he had some family member's helping him out but they didn't have much time or knowledge.  He had wanted to get the model done by his 97th birthday and that was two weeks ago.  He was a marine and model builder though I think his expertise was in river boats.  He has a model in the Cincinnati library if any one is around there.  All the models he built he had either sold or were given away.  This was to be his last model and I suspect the only one to be passed down within his family.  Well my heart went out to him and I agreed to finish this model as soon as possible. 
 
  So I took it home and started digging in.  It had a few problems to fix right off the bat.  The mast doublings were facing to the stern so I had to turn those around and the port holes were drilled in some cases just wide enough for the cannon and nothing more.  There's a lot of deck fittings missing.  So I've gone to work.  This build is a race against time.  He's 97 and I want him to be able to enjoy this model for as long as possible. 
 

Here she is after I got the masts in the right direction. 
   

I went full circle........now I'm back here     I was playing 'round today in my meager spare parts bin of plastic,   and I came across the thwarts for a small boat.....darned if I remember where it came from.   I'm going to use it in the larger ship's boat.  this means that I will have to make a pair of chocks for the smaller boat.   I'll have a couple pictures of what I did a bit later.  today,  I started off by adding the fore railings.   they wouldn't line up like the other railings,  and would have looked off,  but I cut off the tabs and positioned them like the others.  it looks much better for it.

the masts were touched up from having the third step added to them.   the woolings were painted and the flat black wash was done.

all of the masts and the bow spirit are done now.


they are dry fitted at the moment.   before I cement them in,  I need to get all the gun port lids done.  .......really don't want to have 'er on her side with the masts in place.....might be asking for trouble.   the boat is coming along.......has to make a special sanding stick.....1/16 wide.  I just too a piece of square stock and glued some sandpaper on it....trimmed the edges.  now I'm waiting for paint to dry.......>look at watch<........yup,  dry'in as we speak........>look at watch<...........wait a minute!  I'm not wearing a watch!
   anyway.......I'm using the supplied shrouds.......I was just reading the next step.   put the ship's wheel in place........If I was to do that now,   how would I cement the rope,  that I wrapped 'round the wheel spool?   that's already done......since I like to read ahead   I'm looking for the numbers for the lower shrouds......and they are not here!   there is no text about them anywhere.   I think I can figure them out though......I'm a good guesser     another mystery here is when these shrouds are in place........there is nothing under the channels.   the holes are there.......but there are no parts that cement to them.   I will have to figure this out too.
       well......I think it's been an hour now........the boats are in place on the model.   the thwart was painted earlier.....it was then sized to fit inside.   the only problem is,  it's a little too short and doesn't reach the transom.

what I made is this raised seat for the transom.  when dry,  it will be trimmed to fit.  

I like to keep certain parts of the parts panels that I don't want to save.   some of the wood from them,  will be used to make extra detail for the model.   I have many of these templates,  since it beats having to draw them out {my laziness kick'in in}.  I forget where I got 'em,  but these are chocks for some ship's boat.   I trace them and cut them out......that's why I needed to make a special sanding stick.......to clean up the keel slot.

after they were cut out....not very easy......glad I made two tracings,   they were cemented in place on the boat.   they will be sanded some more and then painted the color of the thwarts.

all cleaned up and painted.......the paint is dry........it got a flat black wash.   when that was dry,  the smaller boat was cemented in place,  and the oars were cemented on top of the smaller boat.  they were given the flat black wash to kill any glue marks  {god I love that stuff!}.

how the boats are supposed to be assembled is pictured below it.  I think it looks much better.  here is the assembly in place on the model.


...and that's it.   to think......I wasn't going to do anything with them.   it was darn good luck I found that part.......the reason why I don't throw anything away  

I thought about what Piet said........and what I said about this kit.   it's true that this kit can be modeled after another ship......but there is a limit.   the jolly rogers can be built to resemble the French vessel le Flore,  and likely others like her.  you've already seen the up to date box art for this kit....... here is the earlier production box art.

to build a replica of the Wappen Von Hamberg,  you'll need to get the capt Kidd kit.   this is another Lindberg kit
             
the third kit I saw at Hobby Lobby,  was another version of the Jolly Rogers.   it's based on the Henry Morgan.   I imagine other ships can be modeled with this one as well.

it's quite interesting what's out there.......I just mentioned to the admiral......and showed it to her.......I want to get the Capt. Kidd  He.......He.....He!