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Hi. As I bring my latest update, let me see if I can explain my thinking better... but with the proviso that I may well be barking up the wrong tree, and if you see James H or Chris W doing something differently to me, there is almost certainly a good reason, and you're probably better of following their example My reasoning in bringing the first strake down at the stern to meet the lower counter was to avoid having to butt join two planks together end to end - the planks provided in the kit aren't long enough to reach right to the end if they continue to rise with the pre-fitted piece that's already been fitted above the plank (and assuming that they're fitted as single pieces - not as halves, as per the first planking ... that isn't an issue where they're hidden underneath the fittings on the side of that hull that hold the rigging, but in my head I was worried the line would be visible, and look a little odd). This way of doing it does leave a gap that needs a stealer for the last three inches or so... as in the photo below. I wasn't too worried about that, as I knew I'd need at least one stealer somewhere towards the stern. What it DOES mean, is that the stealer is then very much on show, which is perhaps less than desirable. It also means that the sweep of the planks now has to bend round the tuck under the counter - a somewhat more contorted route than simply following the row as Chris suggests, and as the photos in the manual show. Anyway - I was hoping it would look okay once the stealer was put in place, and here are the photos - you can judge for yourself... Hope that all makes sense The first photo shows the first and second planks fitted on the port side, without the stealer in place. It looks messy, but the second plank neatly tucks in behind the first to make a neat transition at the corner of the counter... The photo below shows the stealer fitted on the starboard side... It seems to me that this way of putting in the plank makes for a nice join between the planks as they meet at the counter... I haven't fitted the stealer on the port side yet, but I think I'm happy with how this is working out. The final photo shows the first plank above the keel (the garboard strake?)... now these two at the top and one at the bottom are fitted, I'll measure the gap at intervals and start fitting every plank so I hopefully get a nice run for the remainder of the planking. Thanks for following alone, and chipping in. And all the best with your build, @bigcreekdad! Are you thinking of starting a build log? We could learn from each other?
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I've managed to get started on the second planking for Erycina... Here are a few shots. Before I began, I went through the planks with a digital micrometer to sort them into thickness... That way, I don't get any nasty surprises with thin planks going up against thick planks... I can grade it as I plank. There wasn't anything too dramatic, but it's nice to go into the task with a plan. The planks varied from 0.6 to 1mm thick, and some varied up to 0.2mm from end to end... As I said, nothing too dramatic, and it'll even out with scraping once done. There are a couple of strips that are perhaps a little too thin, but counting up, I should have enough without using these strips. They will be backups, then. For this planking, I use gorilla glue thick superglue - used carefully, this does a great job and removes the need for pins and clamps... The theory is that it gives a better end result... I'm realising that I'm out of practice, so we'll find out whether this model ends up getting painted, or whether the wood will look okay once done. I try to put little dots of glue along the (pre-fitted) plank before fitting to the hull... So far, I'm putting on too much glue, and it's made things a little messy. Anyway - here's the progress so far. Upper parts fitted, and the first row of planking on each side. One decision I made was to let the plank stay at the bottom end of the counter at the stern, so that there will be a filler between it and the upper outer part... this was because if it were to follow the line of the upper part (102, 103?), it would have been too short, and I wanted to avoid joins. I figure it'll look fine once I put the filler in as long as I get a good fit, but I would have preferred to keep the sweep of the planks, ideally. A different option would be to join the planks where the chain plates will be... I made my choice, and I think I'm happy with it. Time will tell how easy that tuck under the stern is... thankfully I have the rib bender, so this next plank down will need to be well fitted before I attempt to get it to stay in place with glue! PPPPPP, as they say ... (Proper Preparation Prevents "Profoundly" Poor Performance) As always, the pear strips are a simply beautiful colour, and there are no visible machining marks on them whatsoever. It's simply lovely wood to work with! Thanks for looking in. Rob
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Well done, good and faithful clamp. 😆It says something about the devotion you have to this wonderful build that when it's a choice between model or tool taking the hit, it's the tool... quite right, too 👏 Glad to hear both will make a good recovery. And thanks for sharing your thoughts, processes, steps (and even missteps) with us. I'm sure I'm not the only one learning a lot.
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Counter added. As noted in the manual, this didn't require any soaking - it just fitted nicely. You'll notice below that I managed to break the top of the inner transom part... the grain runs vertically here, so it's almost impossible to avoid... I've tucked away these parts, and I'll refit them when I add the outer part on. In the meantime, it allowed me better access to clamp the counter. Today, the final sides have been added to the keel. This is a clever way of effectively creating a rabbet ready for the second planking... Thanks for looking in Rob
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Thank you for your kind words. It's been a tough year so far, and there's a long way to go yet, but I'm grateful for the friendship, prayers, kind thoughts and encouragement of yourself and others on MSW.
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A little progress to report. I've finished the first planking. It all worked out quite nicely, with only one stealer required on each side of the hull. If the second planking goes as nicely, I shall be very pleased. I've done some sanding, today I added the inner transom piece (watch out for the pieces at the top, I had to brush on some diluted PVA as the process of removing the cutouts caused the wood to split. Not a fault of the kit, just my clumsiness, and being lazy and not switching to a new scalpel blade soon enough. Here's the last strake going in: And the hull fully planked... And here's the inner transom going on... It was a lovely fit. Very encouraging! And a shot of progress so far. Thanks for looking in. Progress will be slow with this build, but it's just good to be building again at all! Rob
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Not much to update, except to say that I'm pleased with how the first planking is going, and show a little evidence to that effect. (It also shows that my boat building space desperately needs a tidy!) Thanks for looking in Rob
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Just a brief update... progress is gradually being made. Thank you to all those who are looking in It's a true encouragement. The first shaped planks are on. I put four strakes on each side without shaping - one more than Vanguard suggest - but it seems to be turning out okay at the moment. Ultimately it's only the first planking, so if it isn't entirely neat, it'll all get covered up anyway. I figure it's good to try and do a nice job, because then I'm getting the practice. I'm sure i could do without stealers at the stern, but this feels like it will make the runs more simple. Time will tell.
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Beginner looking for advice on first kit
robdurant replied to O-Nurse's topic in New member Introductions
For a first kit from Caldercraft, you might want to consider HM Schooner Pickle... it's the model I started with, and as one of their later decelopments, meaning, it has more detailed instructions and goes together nicely. The older kits (Caldercraft's Sherbourne for example, which I have also built) require a lot more reading between the lines and prior experience is helpful Just my tuppence. Whichever way you decide to go, welcome to the forum. You'll find lots of help here... I know I have -
A very brief update.... three strakes on one side, and four on the other... from this point on I'll need to taper the planking, but it's making for a good solid base for the second planking. The large number of bulkheads make the planking a pleasure to do, and being able to edge bend the planks with the rib-bending iron mean very little pressure is every required. Thanks for looking in.
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Time for an update. The sub-deck has been put in place. It clips in nicely, and once glued provides a good solid structure, Once in place, the doublers at the stern can be glued in, and I added some slightly watered down carpenter's glue to give these areas some strength before continuing with some fairing to get ready for the bulwarks. This area is quite vulnerable, but with a little care and attention it hasn't caused me any problems. After getting the fairing near to where I felt it should be, the keel parts are glued into place (thus saving them being sanded away unintentionally... I like this way of doing things. It gives you the double benefits of good access to sand, and a neat finish. Kudos, Chris! Now the bulwarks can be fitted... They aren't glued above the sub-deck, but can be clamped... Again, it all seemed to go very smoothly. Having waited again for things to dry overnight, the sub-counter was soaked, clamped in place, and allowed to dry overnight - again - and then glued in place... Then - having allowed it all to dry again - it was time to start the planking... And that's where I've got to so far... Thanks for looking in. I'm really pleased with how things are going Rob
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A little more progress today, putting the framework together. Lots of this goes together dry, and then diluted PVA is added later to fix the whole together. Even without the glue, it's very solid. The only potential gotcha I'd point out is step 17, where a doubling part is glued in place, but you'll want to make sure it's lined up well, because in step 19, you'll insert a positioning tab (32?) that will rely on that glued piece being in the right spot. Having built another Vanguard fishing boat I spotted that coming, and so, although I took a break between these steps, it didn't catch me out. Anyway - we're spoiled by the quality of these instructions! And if you're setting out to get started, you could do much worse than just reading through the whole instruction booklet a few times and getting familiar with the sequence before you start out. It'll help you see these things coming, and prepare you for the kits you may move onto, where your hand will not be held in the same way Thanks for looking in, and happy building Rob
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A promising start this morning. As with the Lady Isabella, this kit is exquisite. The parts fit is immaculate, the parts clearly labelled, and easy to find, and the instructions very clear and simple. For anyone setting out into building model boats for the first time, I'd recommend going gently with the sanding of the MDF bulkhead parts... you'll probably end up needing to take them back further than you think, but slowly and carefully is the way forward. Vanguard provide lines to show where they need to be sanded back to, and plenty of great full colour pictures at ever stage to guide you through the process. (And no, I'm not being paid by Chris at Vanguard to write these things - I'm just enjoying this kit)... Anyway - here's progress so far. Bulkheads cut out and the initial bevelling done (with a combination of scalpel and sandpaper stuck to a board... And assembly - all dry-fit at this point. The reinforcing parts on each side at the bow will be stuck in and then tabs placed through, ensuring that they're in precisely the right position. Assembly was achieved with a good tight fit of all parts straight out of the box. Gently supporting the parts and tapping them into place worked wonderfully. Right... that'll do for today Thanks for looking in, and for all the likes and encouragement. Rob
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Okay - so having had my immune system attack my brain (explained here... An enforced and hopefully not permanent hiatus), I'm currently unable to think at the kind of level required to make any progress on the projects I had going before (Barque Stefano, HMS Bristol (1775), and Nordkap). To be honest, I can't quite believe I ever even attempted them at all! I'm now having to learn a whole bunch of stuff all over again (new neural pathways, apparently!), and this build is part of my exploring what I'm able to do now Progress is encouraging! Over the past month, I've gone from managing one step of a lego model per day, to being able to use a scalpel again without terrifying everyone within arm's length, to building and painting the brand new 1:48 Airfix tiger moth kit (picture below). I can recommend that kit, btw... it's a fun build! (And no, I didn't attempt the wires between the wings... ) Now, I'm excited to be taking on this beautiful kit as the next step. Having built a model of Lady Isabella before (below), I knew the instructions, kit design and support from this forum, and the simplicity of the build as a whole would be the best shot I have at getting back into this wonderful hobby! So thank you, Chris of Vanguard Models for such an excellent kit! It will be interesting to see how close I can get to this in this new build... I'm hoping to invest in the more detailed sails for Erycina (a rough set are included with the kit, but I can confirm that they aren't a patch on the sails that I purchased alongside Lady Isabella, which I presume are of the same quality as Erycina's separately sold sail set). That Vanguard sells them separately also means I can get them as a separate purchase and spread the cost . Hooray! There are already lots of excellent build logs of this kit, so I'm not expecting to exhaustively cover every step, but I will share my thoughts on it, and if I digress from the kit (not the plan!), I'll note what I've done and why, and you are very welcome to follow along and comment if you'd like to. Anyway - Erycina arrived today, and I shall get stuck in tomorrow. Thanks for reading this far. I'm sure progress will be slow! But slow and steady is just fine More sleep, first! Updates to follow. Rob
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Their final appearance suggests that they were put together by the people on the factory floor who'd spent all day doing it and knew exactly what they were doing... I can't pick up any sign of a struggle... really beautiful work! As an aside, my nan was one of those people on the factory floors... she was building Lancaster bombers, though.
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Thanks, Jason. Progress is slow but encouraging. Hopefully I'll get back to a place where I can continue this model, but it's well beyond me at the moment until then, I walk past it every day and marvel that not so long ago, I did that! 😆 Great to see you making headway on your stunning Artois class. Rob
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Hi all. Apologies that this build has stalled from my perspective. The post here will explain Blessings on you all. Rob
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Hi all. Apologies that this build has stalled from my perspective. The post here will explain Blessing on you all. Rob
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Hi all. Apologies that this build has stalled from my perspective. The post here will explain Blessing on you all. Rob
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Thanks 😊 I've been following along with interest but have not been well recently. Lots to give thanks for, though, so I shall just wait patiently until it's time to pick up these threads again. The boats are patient, thankfully.
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