robdurant

Hi all!
 
Thanks for the kind words Don.
 
I've done a little more work on the launch:
 
I added a tiller from brass rod (painted with Caldercraft Walnut acrylic paint)... I also used this walnut paint to paint along the edges of the ply wales. I added the wale strips (4mm below the wale) from 1x1 walnut strip. Then painted in the 4mm band with blue acrylic (Humbrol 25), and added the brass etch gilding.
 

 

 
You can see a small spot on the rear corner where the blue needs touching up. Otherwise, I'm very happy with the results I'm planning to put some matt varnish on the brass to stop it tarnishing.
 
Still to do: I need to add the rowlocks, oars (waiting for my new lathe to arrive - yes, I finally took the plunge and have bought a Proxxon DB250 - and "benches".
 
I've spent a couple of hours drawing up individual plans for each of the mast sections ready to start shaping them. I'm creating these from the plans, and then I'll take a look at AOTS and see if there are any changes I want to make. They're not to scale, but they do give some idea of how those masts are going to be built up. It also begins to give me some idea of where caps, crosstrees, tops and masts meet, and how they're going to go together.
 

 

 
Thanks again for the likes and kind words. Such an encouragement!
 
Happy building
 
Rob

Thanks Dimitris
 
A small update on the ship's launch. It's starting to come together a bit better now:
 
I ditched several ideas along the way here... The .5 x 3mm strip for the ribs is far too grainy to bend, and seemed to me to be too thick to look scale, so I used some veneer instead. I also decided to use ply from the pickle kit for the wales, as then I could cut and sand it to shape rather than trying to bend a 2mm strip (again, too thick?) against the widest dimension. By my reckoning the ribs end up about 6mm apart. I also ditched the former at the front and the "bench"? at the back as being way too thick. I've just planked the front with walnut, and I'll do the same at the back for the "bench".
 

 

 
 

 
The wales need a bit more sanding to make them more uniform, but otherwise I'm pleased with the progress so far. Next step, the "bench" at the back and then the 1x1mm strip and the brass decoration with the blue behind. Soon be onto the masts and spars
 
Has anyone turned the masts and spars for RYC on a Proxxon DB250 - I'm considering buying one to replace the mantua lathe I have (which really isn't man enough, and is dying slowly: not least, because the home-brew power supply I've been using has been providing too many volts to the motor - 14 instead of 12), but I'm wondering whether it's the best way to spend the money
 
Rob

Thanks Dimitris
 
A small update on the ship's launch. It's starting to come together a bit better now:
 
I ditched several ideas along the way here... The .5 x 3mm strip for the ribs is far too grainy to bend, and seemed to me to be too thick to look scale, so I used some veneer instead. I also decided to use ply from the pickle kit for the wales, as then I could cut and sand it to shape rather than trying to bend a 2mm strip (again, too thick?) against the widest dimension. By my reckoning the ribs end up about 6mm apart. I also ditched the former at the front and the "bench"? at the back as being way too thick. I've just planked the front with walnut, and I'll do the same at the back for the "bench".
 

 

 
 

 
The wales need a bit more sanding to make them more uniform, but otherwise I'm pleased with the progress so far. Next step, the "bench" at the back and then the 1x1mm strip and the brass decoration with the blue behind. Soon be onto the masts and spars
 
Has anyone turned the masts and spars for RYC on a Proxxon DB250 - I'm considering buying one to replace the mantua lathe I have (which really isn't man enough, and is dying slowly: not least, because the home-brew power supply I've been using has been providing too many volts to the motor - 14 instead of 12), but I'm wondering whether it's the best way to spend the money
 
Rob

Thanks Dimitris
 
A small update on the ship's launch. It's starting to come together a bit better now:
 
I ditched several ideas along the way here... The .5 x 3mm strip for the ribs is far too grainy to bend, and seemed to me to be too thick to look scale, so I used some veneer instead. I also decided to use ply from the pickle kit for the wales, as then I could cut and sand it to shape rather than trying to bend a 2mm strip (again, too thick?) against the widest dimension. By my reckoning the ribs end up about 6mm apart. I also ditched the former at the front and the "bench"? at the back as being way too thick. I've just planked the front with walnut, and I'll do the same at the back for the "bench".
 

 

 
 

 
The wales need a bit more sanding to make them more uniform, but otherwise I'm pleased with the progress so far. Next step, the "bench" at the back and then the 1x1mm strip and the brass decoration with the blue behind. Soon be onto the masts and spars
 
Has anyone turned the masts and spars for RYC on a Proxxon DB250 - I'm considering buying one to replace the mantua lathe I have (which really isn't man enough, and is dying slowly: not least, because the home-brew power supply I've been using has been providing too many volts to the motor - 14 instead of 12), but I'm wondering whether it's the best way to spend the money
 
Rob

She looks good mounted there Rob, nice work

Time for another update. Thanks for the kind comments
 
Still working on the ship's boat:
 

 
Planking completed...
 

 
I decided one planking would be sufficient, as I wanted to try and get the thin-ness of the hull, and I wasn't planning on varnishing the wood, but painting it... I bit the bullet and put some wood filler on it, ready to sand down...
 

 
Then the first sanding (I suspect it'll take a couple of turns to get a really nice finish.
 

 

 
And then it was the most scary bit... to remove the upper frames... I was really pleased how that went. Now I just need to trim the transom back and get tidying up.
 

 
Happy building!
 
Rob

Hello Rob, sorry to hear about your father. I agree with Nigel , he has given you an excellent start. As far as i can see, you continue doing a great job. The Royal Caroline is one of my favorite ships.. I keep it on the shelf  from my next build. Surely i can learn some things from you.. I will follow along .. :)
 
All the best
Dimitris

Thank you very much indeed Rob  I had a suspicion you avatar was based on the Snowberry kit,but sometimes size is hard to judge on the water from a small pic .
I would recommend to anyone who wanted to build a model of Caroline that accurately followed the book,they would have to scratchbuild.It is worth mentioning though that the book itself is a best 'guess' by the authors.Many details are not proven historical fact.Whichever route the builder takes,she builds into a very attractive model and I do feel the kit is one of Panart's better offerings.
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

So, another week, and a little more done.
 
I started the launch, which posed a few interesting questions.
 
Mainly, the part no. 7 is shown on the plans as extending from frame 1 right back to either side of the keel, but in practice it stops some way short. Hopefully the pictures will make more sense of this than my description. (It's all dry fitted at this stage):
 

 
I wasn't quite sure whether it was the keel (8) or the former (7) that was the wrong length, so I thought I'd take a look at AOTS (Anatomy of the Ship book), and see what it showed. It's worth pointing out at this stage that this kit is over 15 years old, so it is quite possible that Panart have fixed this is more recent versions. Some of the other Caroline builders may well be able to answer that question
 
Well, looking at AOTS was a revelation. It turns out that the launch in AOTS is just over 18cm (even taking the 1:47 (kit) - 1:48 (AOTS) conversion), whereas, the model is only 14.4cm or 13.7cm if you cut out the spare keel... The picture  below gives some idea of the difference... model placed on top of AOTS:
 

 
That being the case, it seems that this is simply an area where the kit differs from AOTS, but it does help to answer the question should the keel be shortened... I certainly don't want to make the model differ any more from AOTS by shortening the boat even more, so I've decided to leave the keel as is, and accept that the former (which will be disposed of later in the process) is simply short.
 
That decision having been made, I cut the notches into the frames to allow them to be snapped off once the planking is complete, put electrical insulation tape on the edges of the frames above the notch, and glued the frames on to the keel (putting the former in place, but not gluing it, as it will need to be removed later... Then I began the first planking...
 

 
It did occur to me that with a picture like that, someone could get the wrong idea about my hobby :S
 
Anyway - suffice it to say the pins are only for the purpose of keeping the planks in place and flat to the frames as they glue. You can see the red insulation tape sticking out - that's simply to stop any glue sticking the planks to the frames above the notches... Hopefully it will keep life simple when the time comes to remove those later.
 

 
That's it for now.
 
Happy building
 
Rob

Hi Nigel,
 
Thank you for the kind words. I've looked through your build log for Royal Yacht Caroline - wow, it's going to be a cracking Caroline! a level up from mine, but I'm glad to be pottering along doing the best I can, and I think my dad would have approved so far  
 
It's interesting to hear about your solution for the ship's launch. It confirms what I'd suspected - that there's a can of worms (a delight to some, and a horror to others) waiting for the person who takes a ruler to the plans and compares them against AOTS. Your way through this maze sounds like an excellent one, and certainly seems to be paying dividends. I hope in years to come I shall have the skills and confidence to follow suit. I'm hoping to attempt HMS Diana next, and I have the AOTS ready so I have all the materials to cause lots of double-checking and head-scratching!!
 
I hope your house move goes well. I remember with my schooner, Pickle, that there was definitely a moment where it went from being relatively robust to being a very fragile thing that caught or snagged on everything that went near it. I moved house with Pickle and she survived, I'm very glad to say! Although she did go to stay with someone else during the move to avoid the big day!
 
The avatar is of my interpretation of Revell's Flower Class Corvette HMCS Snowberry, although I made it up as a generic Flower class a good few years ago. It's stand-off quality at best, but it does look the business out on the water, and it's fun to sail. I've got a MCMV sat on the shelf that's never gone further than a paddling pool, so when that gets wet, I'll update my avatar
 
Thanks again
 
Rob

Time for another update. Thanks for the kind comments
 
Still working on the ship's boat:
 

 
Planking completed...
 

 
I decided one planking would be sufficient, as I wanted to try and get the thin-ness of the hull, and I wasn't planning on varnishing the wood, but painting it... I bit the bullet and put some wood filler on it, ready to sand down...
 

 
Then the first sanding (I suspect it'll take a couple of turns to get a really nice finish.
 

 

 
And then it was the most scary bit... to remove the upper frames... I was really pleased how that went. Now I just need to trim the transom back and get tidying up.
 

 
Happy building!
 
Rob

So, another week, and a little more done.
 
I started the launch, which posed a few interesting questions.
 
Mainly, the part no. 7 is shown on the plans as extending from frame 1 right back to either side of the keel, but in practice it stops some way short. Hopefully the pictures will make more sense of this than my description. (It's all dry fitted at this stage):
 

 
I wasn't quite sure whether it was the keel (8) or the former (7) that was the wrong length, so I thought I'd take a look at AOTS (Anatomy of the Ship book), and see what it showed. It's worth pointing out at this stage that this kit is over 15 years old, so it is quite possible that Panart have fixed this is more recent versions. Some of the other Caroline builders may well be able to answer that question
 
Well, looking at AOTS was a revelation. It turns out that the launch in AOTS is just over 18cm (even taking the 1:47 (kit) - 1:48 (AOTS) conversion), whereas, the model is only 14.4cm or 13.7cm if you cut out the spare keel... The picture  below gives some idea of the difference... model placed on top of AOTS:
 

 
That being the case, it seems that this is simply an area where the kit differs from AOTS, but it does help to answer the question should the keel be shortened... I certainly don't want to make the model differ any more from AOTS by shortening the boat even more, so I've decided to leave the keel as is, and accept that the former (which will be disposed of later in the process) is simply short.
 
That decision having been made, I cut the notches into the frames to allow them to be snapped off once the planking is complete, put electrical insulation tape on the edges of the frames above the notch, and glued the frames on to the keel (putting the former in place, but not gluing it, as it will need to be removed later... Then I began the first planking...
 

 
It did occur to me that with a picture like that, someone could get the wrong idea about my hobby :S
 
Anyway - suffice it to say the pins are only for the purpose of keeping the planks in place and flat to the frames as they glue. You can see the red insulation tape sticking out - that's simply to stop any glue sticking the planks to the frames above the notches... Hopefully it will keep life simple when the time comes to remove those later.
 

 
That's it for now.
 
Happy building
 
Rob

Hi all,
 
Just a little update. I've finished rigging the cannon (minus coiled rope that will be added right at the end of the build to keep the deck tidy while I do the rigging...
 
I've also been working a little on the starboard staircase. It's a fiddly little blighter, and I haven't decided whether I can live with the colour discrepancy between this one and the one already in situ - I think I must have used a different wood as it's much darker once varnished :S (see last picture)... I'll sleep on it and see how I feel about it in the morning. I suspect it's going to mean another re-work...
 

 

 

 

 
Happy building
 
Rob

Time for a little update...
 
The starboard cannon are rigged now.
 

 

 

 

 
Happy building
 
Rob

Hi,
 
A small update... I've got some more of the deck fittings in place, and spent some time working on the starboard staircase. I've also started rigging the cannon (using some left over bits from Pickle. Given the larger scale of Caroline (1:47 rather than 1:64 for Pickle), and the larger size of the cannon (over the tiny carronades on Pickle), it seems a shame not to rig them fully. Anyway, here's how it's going so far. I made a jig, and so far I've only got two rigged up - it's amazingly time-consuming. I haven't tied off any of the ropes yet, so there's a certain spaghetti quality to the whole thing, but hopefully the pictures make sense.
 

 

 

 
Eyelets in deck ready for rigging cannon

 

 

 

 

 
48 x 2mm blocks, 56 x eyelets, 24 x hooks, 16 x rings later and it's just a case of finishing putting them together... More pictures soon
 
Happy building
 
Rob

Hi all,
 
Emelbe: I certainly didn't pick up anything insensitive in your post, so please don't worry - I agree it's a lovely kit, and I hope you will have the opportunity to build it at some point, too.
 
Thanks to everyone for the kind comments and likes. I'm already absolutely smitten with this boat! Do feel free to pull up a chair, and if you have any helpful hints along the way, please do chip in.
 
Rob

Hi,
 
It's time to start my second build log on ModelShipWorld.com.
 
As I won't be starting this build from scratch, I guess a little explanation is in order.
 
My father started this model, and built it to the point shown below, where the hull decorations were mainly in place, and the deck furniture was mainly built, if not fitted. He passed away in January 2013, and I felt it would be a terrible shame for the model to be left unfinished. The challenge was to get some of the skills necessary to attempt to finish such a kit, so I started with something smaller.
 
For those interested, you can see how I got on here with Caldercraft's HM Schooner Pickle (HM Schooner Pickle.)
 
Anyway, I finished that kit a few days ago, and now I'm ready to begin work on Caroline.
 
Here's a picture of Caroline before I started work (except to go over her with a soft brush to get the dust off)
 

 
You can see a number of the fittings next to the bow.
 
The first evening's work was to go through the plans carefully and try and get my head around what had been done and what hadn't. I was immediately struck by how sparse the instructions are. Compared to Pickle which guides you through the rigging step by step with great care, the instructions for Caroline stop once you've put the deck furniture on, and just point you to the plans. Thankfully I'll be able to draw on the many excellent resources on this website, and my experience with Pickle.
 
Secondly was that the plans are printed on both sides, and so some time was spent sellotaping the plans back together where they had worn so thin they were in pieces.
 
Once this was done, I was ready to start fitting deck furniture (which had been pre-assembled off the model by my father). An emotional process, but it's lovely to see it start coming together.
 
Photos of progress so far are below:
 
Cleats at the bow, fitted:
 

 
Capstan, fitted, although I'm not very happy with the gap between the capstan base and the deck, so this will be gently refitted...
 

 
The support for the flag pole...
 

 
Steps...
 

 
And then, just for the fun of it, I dry-fitted some of the other fittings just to give me an idea of how they would fit onto the deck side by side... (cannon, ships-boat supports, etc..) - all of these are dry-fitted (and now I look at it, the sled for the ship's boat is upside-down!)
 

 
Sorry about the state of the photos, but it will give a rough idea.
 
Anyway. Happy building, thanks for looking, and I hope to be back with an update very soon.
 
Rob

I am sorry to hear of your Father's passing.Completing the model is a very nice tribute.He has given you an excellent start .
Regarding the ships launch,it is still the same one in the kit now.I built mine from scratch but it was a bit of a compromise as I wanted to use the kit's brass decoration.It looks more like the book version,just not as long .
I think if you try to follow the book too closely like myself and Janos tried to do,you realise there is alot amiss.Even the hull is the wrong shape,so I just used the book as a guide for some of the smaller details.My build is currently on hold as we are hoping to move house.I am at the stage where it is the fragile bits,so would rather wait until after the upheaval.
Is that a Flower class as your avatar?
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Hi all,
 
Just a little update. I've finished rigging the cannon (minus coiled rope that will be added right at the end of the build to keep the deck tidy while I do the rigging...
 
I've also been working a little on the starboard staircase. It's a fiddly little blighter, and I haven't decided whether I can live with the colour discrepancy between this one and the one already in situ - I think I must have used a different wood as it's much darker once varnished :S (see last picture)... I'll sleep on it and see how I feel about it in the morning. I suspect it's going to mean another re-work...
 

 

 

 

 
Happy building
 
Rob

Time for a little update...
 
The starboard cannon are rigged now.
 

 

 

 

 
Happy building
 
Rob

Hi,
 
A small update... I've got some more of the deck fittings in place, and spent some time working on the starboard staircase. I've also started rigging the cannon (using some left over bits from Pickle. Given the larger scale of Caroline (1:47 rather than 1:64 for Pickle), and the larger size of the cannon (over the tiny carronades on Pickle), it seems a shame not to rig them fully. Anyway, here's how it's going so far. I made a jig, and so far I've only got two rigged up - it's amazingly time-consuming. I haven't tied off any of the ropes yet, so there's a certain spaghetti quality to the whole thing, but hopefully the pictures make sense.
 

 

 

 
Eyelets in deck ready for rigging cannon

 

 

 

 

 
48 x 2mm blocks, 56 x eyelets, 24 x hooks, 16 x rings later and it's just a case of finishing putting them together... More pictures soon
 
Happy building
 
Rob

Hi all,
 
Emelbe: I certainly didn't pick up anything insensitive in your post, so please don't worry - I agree it's a lovely kit, and I hope you will have the opportunity to build it at some point, too.
 
Thanks to everyone for the kind comments and likes. I'm already absolutely smitten with this boat! Do feel free to pull up a chair, and if you have any helpful hints along the way, please do chip in.
 
Rob

Hi,
 
It's time to start my second build log on ModelShipWorld.com.
 
As I won't be starting this build from scratch, I guess a little explanation is in order.
 
My father started this model, and built it to the point shown below, where the hull decorations were mainly in place, and the deck furniture was mainly built, if not fitted. He passed away in January 2013, and I felt it would be a terrible shame for the model to be left unfinished. The challenge was to get some of the skills necessary to attempt to finish such a kit, so I started with something smaller.
 
For those interested, you can see how I got on here with Caldercraft's HM Schooner Pickle (HM Schooner Pickle.)
 
Anyway, I finished that kit a few days ago, and now I'm ready to begin work on Caroline.
 
Here's a picture of Caroline before I started work (except to go over her with a soft brush to get the dust off)
 

 
You can see a number of the fittings next to the bow.
 
The first evening's work was to go through the plans carefully and try and get my head around what had been done and what hadn't. I was immediately struck by how sparse the instructions are. Compared to Pickle which guides you through the rigging step by step with great care, the instructions for Caroline stop once you've put the deck furniture on, and just point you to the plans. Thankfully I'll be able to draw on the many excellent resources on this website, and my experience with Pickle.
 
Secondly was that the plans are printed on both sides, and so some time was spent sellotaping the plans back together where they had worn so thin they were in pieces.
 
Once this was done, I was ready to start fitting deck furniture (which had been pre-assembled off the model by my father). An emotional process, but it's lovely to see it start coming together.
 
Photos of progress so far are below:
 
Cleats at the bow, fitted:
 

 
Capstan, fitted, although I'm not very happy with the gap between the capstan base and the deck, so this will be gently refitted...
 

 
The support for the flag pole...
 

 
Steps...
 

 
And then, just for the fun of it, I dry-fitted some of the other fittings just to give me an idea of how they would fit onto the deck side by side... (cannon, ships-boat supports, etc..) - all of these are dry-fitted (and now I look at it, the sled for the ship's boat is upside-down!)
 

 
Sorry about the state of the photos, but it will give a rough idea.
 
Anyway. Happy building, thanks for looking, and I hope to be back with an update very soon.
 
Rob

Time for another update. Thanks for the kind comments
 
Still working on the ship's boat:
 

 
Planking completed...
 

 
I decided one planking would be sufficient, as I wanted to try and get the thin-ness of the hull, and I wasn't planning on varnishing the wood, but painting it... I bit the bullet and put some wood filler on it, ready to sand down...
 

 
Then the first sanding (I suspect it'll take a couple of turns to get a really nice finish.
 

 

 
And then it was the most scary bit... to remove the upper frames... I was really pleased how that went. Now I just need to trim the transom back and get tidying up.
 

 
Happy building!
 
Rob

So, another week, and a little more done.
 
I started the launch, which posed a few interesting questions.
 
Mainly, the part no. 7 is shown on the plans as extending from frame 1 right back to either side of the keel, but in practice it stops some way short. Hopefully the pictures will make more sense of this than my description. (It's all dry fitted at this stage):
 

 
I wasn't quite sure whether it was the keel (8) or the former (7) that was the wrong length, so I thought I'd take a look at AOTS (Anatomy of the Ship book), and see what it showed. It's worth pointing out at this stage that this kit is over 15 years old, so it is quite possible that Panart have fixed this is more recent versions. Some of the other Caroline builders may well be able to answer that question
 
Well, looking at AOTS was a revelation. It turns out that the launch in AOTS is just over 18cm (even taking the 1:47 (kit) - 1:48 (AOTS) conversion), whereas, the model is only 14.4cm or 13.7cm if you cut out the spare keel... The picture  below gives some idea of the difference... model placed on top of AOTS:
 

 
That being the case, it seems that this is simply an area where the kit differs from AOTS, but it does help to answer the question should the keel be shortened... I certainly don't want to make the model differ any more from AOTS by shortening the boat even more, so I've decided to leave the keel as is, and accept that the former (which will be disposed of later in the process) is simply short.
 
That decision having been made, I cut the notches into the frames to allow them to be snapped off once the planking is complete, put electrical insulation tape on the edges of the frames above the notch, and glued the frames on to the keel (putting the former in place, but not gluing it, as it will need to be removed later... Then I began the first planking...
 

 
It did occur to me that with a picture like that, someone could get the wrong idea about my hobby :S
 
Anyway - suffice it to say the pins are only for the purpose of keeping the planks in place and flat to the frames as they glue. You can see the red insulation tape sticking out - that's simply to stop any glue sticking the planks to the frames above the notches... Hopefully it will keep life simple when the time comes to remove those later.
 

 
That's it for now.
 
Happy building
 
Rob