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    woodrat got a reaction from Salty Sea Dog in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Having taken off the lines the solid half-hull was cut down to main deck level. The side timbers are seen.
    main wales are seen bracketting the deck beams transom framing is seen
     
    The hull was then planked. Note the projectiing deck beams at forward half of main deck and hold

     
    The main deck was planked


     
    The supporting structure of the forecastle was guessed at and the clinker planking below the forecastle was installed

     
    the transversal bitt was installed

     
    the horizontal clinker planking was installed to match the original drawing
     
    The view from the other side
     
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from Salty Sea Dog in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    sort of like a majestic duck, wouldn't you say? Dick
     

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    woodrat got a reaction from shipmodel in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Apologies for the delay in posting. I have been overseas. after a lot of thought the mainstay (stazo) has been done in accordance with the appearances in the Zorzi manuscript which seems to show a large upper block with a number of ropes issuing presumably to a lower double block . This is much different to later practice.

     
    The collar of the mainstay passes either side of the foremast and around the knee of the stem. Also seen is the gammoning of the bowsprit which also goes around the knee of the stem.
     

     

     
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from Vivian Galad in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Apologies for the delay in posting. I have been overseas. after a lot of thought the mainstay (stazo) has been done in accordance with the appearances in the Zorzi manuscript which seems to show a large upper block with a number of ropes issuing presumably to a lower double block . This is much different to later practice.

     
    The collar of the mainstay passes either side of the foremast and around the knee of the stem. Also seen is the gammoning of the bowsprit which also goes around the knee of the stem.
     

     

     
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from Tadeusz43 in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Apologies for the delay in posting. I have been overseas. after a lot of thought the mainstay (stazo) has been done in accordance with the appearances in the Zorzi manuscript which seems to show a large upper block with a number of ropes issuing presumably to a lower double block . This is much different to later practice.

     
    The collar of the mainstay passes either side of the foremast and around the knee of the stem. Also seen is the gammoning of the bowsprit which also goes around the knee of the stem.
     

     

     
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from archjofo in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Apologies for the delay in posting. I have been overseas. after a lot of thought the mainstay (stazo) has been done in accordance with the appearances in the Zorzi manuscript which seems to show a large upper block with a number of ropes issuing presumably to a lower double block . This is much different to later practice.

     
    The collar of the mainstay passes either side of the foremast and around the knee of the stem. Also seen is the gammoning of the bowsprit which also goes around the knee of the stem.
     

     

     
    Dick
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    woodrat reacted to ggrieco in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    She's coming along nicely Steven. I love your carved figures. I wish I could carve like that.
     
    As for the stem on YK4, it has been so long that I can't recall if the rabbet continues into the stem. I do recall the upper strikes are beveled and appear to have been nailed flat against the side of the stem. We do have a piece of the stem where it joins the keel but I'd rather take a look at it on Monday than rely on my memory. I'll let you know what I find.
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    woodrat got a reaction from ggrieco in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    The most likely source of information on the rabbetting for the garboard strakes would be be the Yenikapi wrecks, I feel.
    Dick
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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    Thanks for the congrats, Druxey. Yes, I thought it would have to be rebated, but I just didn't have any information or experience, except for a vague memory of a stempost from a Viking ship with rebates carved into it for the ends of the clinker planks. But different technique, different part of the world.
     
    Dick, unfortunately as far as I'm aware no stempost or sternpost survived from any of the Yenikapi galleys (unless Glenn knows of some . . . ?) But they've definitely found at least one keel with a rebate.
     
    Anyhow, I think I will extend the rebate into the stem and sternposts, just on general principles. 
     
    Steven
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    woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    The most likely source of information on the rabbetting for the garboard strakes would be be the Yenikapi wrecks, I feel.
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from CaptainSteve in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    The most likely source of information on the rabbetting for the garboard strakes would be be the Yenikapi wrecks, I feel.
    Dick
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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    Today's a red letter day. I finally finished the last of the upper bank oars!
     
    Here are the final ten
     

     
    And here they are roughly in place - plus the steering oars.
     

     
    The second last oar was very frustrating - I'd got it trimmed to shape and was starting the rounding process, when SNAP!
     

     
    There was a knot right where the blade met the shaft. I tried gluing it back together, but it just wasn't strong enough. So I had to make another oar. Very annoying.
     
    I've noticed about 5 of the oars have a bit of a bow in them, and I'm hoping to be able to take it our with heat bending - but I'll have to be careful. 
     
    I've also bent the tailpieces of the wales into their final shape -
      

     
    this is the port one - the starboard one is bent to shape but not smoothed off yet. 
     
    I've also started cutting the plug back so the frames don't get stuck in the grooves when it's time to remove the model from the plug. The lighter coloured wood is what I've done so far. Surprisingly easy to do with a stanley knife.
     

     
    And as I cut away a section I re-draw that part of the guidelines for the wales and the locations of the oarports (in blue). It's not neat, but it does the job, and the hull is the important thing, not the plug.
     

     
    And I've also started smoothing off the wales, the keel and the sternpost/"tail" in preparation for putting everything together.
     
    By the way, I have a question - Can anybody let me know if the rebate/rabbet for the garboard strake is supposed to continue into the stempost and sternpost? Both stempost and sternpost on this model are somewhat unusual and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do there.
     
    Steven
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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    Four oars to go . . . Yes, I should probably have them done by now, but I find every time I try to hurry I make mistakes. So now I just do them when I feel like it. Takes longer, but this is supposed to be fun, not a job or an ordeal, right?
     
    I've trimmed the plug at the stern - just shaved some of the thickness off - and now the wales are long enough and will join the keel nicely. They fit nicely at the bow:
     

     
    Here's a side view of the stern: 
     

     
    The sternpost assembly (including the 'tail' of the keel) is just sitting there at the moment. I'll glue it in place when I've done some more preparation. 
     
    As I mentioned in an earlier post the 'tail' of the gunwale is a separate piece which I've been bending to shape. I'm leaving it off for the moment until everything else is finalised. You can see the scarph joint where it's going to go.
     
    Here is the stern seen from right behind. The wales are still only loosely in place, but they've got enough 'give' so they'll fit nicely when it comes to gluing them on.
     

     
    And here is the stern seen from underneath. I'm pretty happy with how everything's fitting together. I'm usually a 'bash to fit' type of guy, so getting this level of precision is a bit unusual for me (and strangely therapeutic) . 
     

     
    So far it's all being kept together by temporary screws - I'm just trying to make sure everything fits.
     
    Once that's done I'll be shaving the plug down so the grooves for the frames vanish (though I'll still be able to see where they've been). I realised that because the tail is a reverse curve, to take the hull off the plug I'll have to rotate it around the tail rather than just pull it straight off.  If the frames sit in grooves they'll jam when I try to rotate.
     
    Then I put the frames in place (well, every second one, actually - the others will be put in place after the planking.). I'll be holding them to the plug with push pins near gunwale level; then
     
    put the keel in place and glue it to the frames;
     
    glue the bottom two wales in place and plank up to the second wale;
     
    Pull out all the push pins, put the gunwale on and glue it in place;
     
    Finish the planking.
     
    I've been waiting a long time to start the planking - it'll be a great relief to actually start putting the hull together so I finally have something to show for all the preliminary work I've been putting in.
     
    Steven
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    woodrat reacted to Landrotten Highlander in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    Nice work so far, and a briliant solution to the length problem.
    Re focussing the camera - I have found that if I am too close to my subject the camera struggles to focus.  Taking the picture from a bit further away, then cropping it on the computer solves this.
    Slainte
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    woodrat reacted to cookster in USF Essex 1797 by cookster - 1:48 - POB and POF - 1814 Configuration - first scratchbuild   
    I temporarily attached the model to the buildboard just cause I couldn't wait.  I still have to complete it and build several clamp blocks and such.

     
    Here is work I had done last spring but never took pics of and posted.
     
    The unplanked side is rough faired, the gaps you see at the joint between the feet of the hawse timbers and the first cant frame are only due to things being loosely held together.  Trust me, the gaps are tight when assembled correctly.

     
    The unfinished side still needs to be rough faired.  I also had to rebuild one of the square frames due to a stupid error I made when assembling them.  Dopey me....

     
    Here you can see the bollard timbers and the gaps between the Hawse timbers.

     
    Now on to finishing the build board, a lot more sanding and the stem assembly.  I cut the pieces for the stem last spring, I've yet to start assembling it.
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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    More progress on the lion's head. I'm pretty pleased with him, but if I wanted him to be a copy of the Byzantine lion I saw in Istanbul I've missed out. If anything he's a bit too natural and not stylized enough . . .
     
    Here's the original
     

     
    And here's my carving
     

     
     

     

     
     
    With my hand for size comparison.
     
     
     

     
     
    I've made him with his mouth somewhat more open, so the Greek Fire nozzle can fit through.
     
    Still a way to go - got to do his mane and smooth him off. Then when the bow of the ship is finalized, I'll cut away at the back of the head to fit it to the ship.
     
    Steven
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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    So here's the latest photo of the lion's head. Still a fair way to go . . .
     

     

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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    Perhaps the kind of horn they called an oliphaunt, on account of because the first ones were made out of tusks.
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    woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in 10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50   
    I think you have to take time and place into account, Druxey. I really don't know about the drum, but it certainly appeared in Hollywood epics like Ben Hur. But then they also perpetuated the myth that the Romans used slaves to man the galleys. Certainly, there is contemporary evidence for the use of flutes both in a Byzantine and an Ancient Greek context. 
     
    The guys are 1:50 scale, and I've already made one. But I wasn't all that happy with him - I think these will be better. I'll be mass producing the oarsmen, and apart from them I'll have the two steersmen, the flute player and probably the captain reclining in his krabbatos.
     
    Steven
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    woodrat got a reaction from tarbrush in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Blocks on mediaeval ships were somewhat different to those we are used to on later vessels. For example this is my concept of a double block with the pulleys set in-line instead of side-by-side
     

     
    I have installed the backstays first while holding the mast with temporary forestays much as seen in the Trombetta illustration. This sketch I believe was made while the mast was being set up.
     
    this shows the use of hearts for the backstays
     

     

     

     

     
    Cheers
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from Archi in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Most kind, Steven. The next step is the mainstay which appears to have a strange looking pulley at the mainmast and presumably at the foot of the foremast with a collar going around the knee of the stem. This is why I left some of the planking off the forecastle deck. The shrouds have been made and go on after the mainstay.

     
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from qwerty2008 in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Blocks on mediaeval ships were somewhat different to those we are used to on later vessels. For example this is my concept of a double block with the pulleys set in-line instead of side-by-side
     

     
    I have installed the backstays first while holding the mast with temporary forestays much as seen in the Trombetta illustration. This sketch I believe was made while the mast was being set up.
     
    this shows the use of hearts for the backstays
     

     

     

     

     
    Cheers
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    OK Carl. I have someone in mind.
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from cog in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    OK Carl. I have someone in mind.
    Dick
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    woodrat got a reaction from CaptainSteve in Venetian Carrack or Cocha by woodrat - FINISHED - 1/64   
    Thanks for all the encouragement, chaps. I have written a draft for the introduction.
    Dick
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