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Thanks folks. I had a feeling the anchor or fisherman's bend would do the job. The bend illustrated above probably has some advantages but it is easy to see that the end would have to be sized or else come loose.
 
BTW I have always wondered why a fouled anchor is so popular as nautical emblem by knowing mariners. A disaster waiting to happen for any ship so fouled.
 
S.O.S.

Still working on my scratch built sloop "Providence". I'm rigging it with sails and on a close reach. This means that some rigging needs to be slack, like running back stays on the leeward side, windward jib sheets, foot ropes etc. Achieving this with a uniform curve would make the model look really under sail. 
 
Any ideas here on how to do this ?
 
Thanks
 
SOS

Thanks Frankie and Henry, I'm thinking I just might put the reef points in between the seams as they might just stand out more.
 
I made a mock up of the Providence sails just put into position with thread. I wanted to get an idea of how the model would look. Of course it all comes down to actually do the rigging.
 
I just might work from the inside out . That is do some running rigging for the main sail then do the main shrouds and fore stays after the main sail and all it's gear are belayed into place. Tying those mast hoops on the  sail luff /mast would be easier with the mast off the model. IMHP
 
SOS
 
PS the top sail will also have reef points as well.
 
 
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Thanks Frankie and Henry, I'm thinking I just might put the reef points in between the seams as they might just stand out more.
 
I made a mock up of the Providence sails just put into position with thread. I wanted to get an idea of how the model would look. Of course it all comes down to actually do the rigging.
 
I just might work from the inside out . That is do some running rigging for the main sail then do the main shrouds and fore stays after the main sail and all it's gear are belayed into place. Tying those mast hoops on the  sail luff /mast would be easier with the mast off the model. IMHP
 
SOS
 
PS the top sail will also have reef points as well.
 
 
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Where would the stuns'ls be stowed on a 6th rate man o war from the early 18th century?  I would also assume this includes the yard as the sails would be kept bent to them.  I'm going to guess the lower sails were secured somewhere near the fore and main channels along with the stuns'ls lower booms and the upper stuns'ls were secured somewhere on deck or maybe even secured on the fore and main course yards.
 
This is for my 3d ship I'm currently working on...
 

I really enjoy rigging my ships. It is very difficult and frustrating at times but the challenge is a welcome one. Every line I get installed I find myself sitting back and enjoying the new addition. Each ship I have built I try to do a better job with my rigging in making sure they are seized correctly, ran to the correct belaying pins or cleats, rigged through the blocks or that the blocks are the right ones. Each build I have learned something new and each has become better for it.
 
Like any aspect of ship building where there is a lot of repetition it can become monotonous and I am ready to see the end of it after a while but that is no different then planking or any other phase really.

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Bit more work on the Vic the last two days. The Sprits are just about mounted and tied down, then off to the fore's. Have my reference material laid out just in case

This part that I'm working on now is probably one of the most relaxing parts I've done.  I think I've chilled out on things.  
 
The drops... they not only have their shape when viewed from the side, but also have to sit flush to the hull and also have to be rounded to match the gallery.  Then there's the outside shape from top to bottom which I can only describe as a rounded bevel.  Thick at the top, thin at the bottom.
 
Here's some pics of the work in progress.  I'm making both at the same time to shoot for uniformity  I started with blanks cut to the shape when viewed from the side. I then set up the scroll saw with sanding blades instead of cutting blades and did the fit to the hull.   I'm currently doing the shape from side to side to match the gallery.
 
Here's pictures of the process (not complete as I forgot to fire up the camera in between tossing some in the scrap box and starting over.  
 
First.. rear view to show the fit to the hull.

 
Side view to show the shape and fit to the gallery.

 
Lastly, the rounding to match the gallery.   Being cheap frugal, I have some 120 grit Olsen Sanding Blades that I've turned around and stuck a strip of 100 grit stickyback to.  Works like a charm.

 
More when I get the final shape done and after finessing the final fit.

After a summer of sailing Carrianne,  
  
I figure it's time to continue work on the Sloop  Providence.
So I pinned on the sails to see how they might look. OK but not full of wind.
So I made forms to kind of mold the wind in. This worked pretty good. But attaching the sails to the model and coping with the rigging might prove a problem for me, i decided to do some of the standing rigging off the model like the P&S shrouds etc.then attach the main sail and top sail, deal with their running rigging and then do the head  sails Time will tell if this works.
I'll post pix as I go.
 
S.O.S

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Ahoy all Modelers,
 

 
Coming along on the model. and got the swivel guns mounted on the poop deck. Also an officer was piped aboard this week to help supervise the further construction. I got a different scheme for mounting the gun port lids that might be unorthodox. If it works Ill post it here. Still to go some kind of binnacle , channels and deadeyes ( awaiting the blackening agent).
Notice the cable going to a holes in the fwd. grating and below to the cable locker.
 
Thanks for the help in various questions I posted in other threads.
 
S.O.S.
 
 

I thought it would be informative to post a little about the ship.
 
BTW the attached image is of the vessel ( unfinished of course ) with the captured shallop she captured stowed on deck.

Stowed below are 8 swivel guns shipped by Chuck waiting for their mount and installation on the poop deck( not a refuge for gulls with digestive problems)
 
S.O.S.
 
A little about the sloop Providence"
On 10 May, John Paul Jones assumed command of Providence with temporary rank of Captain. After a voyage to New York returning to the Continental Army about 100 soldiers whom Washington had lent to Hopkins to help man the American fleet, and after returning to Providence, Jones hove down the ship to clean her bottom and sailed 13 June escorting Fly to Fishers Island at the entrance to Long Island Sound. En route he saved a brigantine bringing munitions from Hispanola from the British frigate Cerberus.
Providence next escorted a convoy of colliers to Philadelphia arriving 1 August. There, a week later, Jones received his permanent commission as Captain. On the 21st, Providence departed the Delaware Capes to begin an independent cruise, and in a few days took the brigantine Britannia and sent the whaler into Philadelphia under a prize crew. On 1 September, daring seamanship enabled Jones to escape from the British frigate Solebay. Two days later Providence captured Sea Nymph, carrying sugar, rum, ginger, and oil, and sent the Bermudan brigantine to Philadelphia. On the 6th Providence caught the brigantine Favourite carrying sugar from Antigua to Liverpool, but HMS Galatea recaptured the prize before she could reach an American port.
Turning north, Jones headed for Nova Scotia, and on 20 September escaped another frigate before reaching Canso two days later. There he recruited men to fill the vacancies created by manning his prizes, burned a British fishing schooner, sank a second, and captured a third besides a shallop which he used as a tender. Moving to Ile Madame, Providence took several more prizes fishing there before riding out a severe storm. One more prize, the whaler Portland surrendered to Providence before she returned to Narragansett Bay 8 October.
While Providence was at home, Hopkins appointed Jones the Commander of Alfred, a larger ship and the Commander in Chief’s flagship on the expedition to the Bahamas. Shortly thereafter, Capt. Hoysted Hacker took command of Providence. The two ships got under way 11 November. After ten days they took the brigantine Active and the next day took the armed transport Mellish carrying winter uniforms and military supplies for the British Army. On the 16th they captured the snow Kitty. The next night, Providence, troubled by leaks which had developed during bad weather on the cruise, headed back for Rhode Island and arrived at Newport two days later.
The British seized Narragansett Bay in December 1776 and Providence, with other American vessels there, retired up the Providence River. In February 1777, under Lt. Jonathan Pitcher, Providence ran the British blockade; after putting into New Bedford, she cruised to Cape Breton where she captured a transport brig loaded with stores and carrying two officers and 25 men of the British Army besides her crew. Under command of Capt. J.P. Rathbun, Providence made two cruises on the coast and about mid-January 1778, sailed from Georgetown, N.C., again bound for New Providence in the Bahamas, this time alone. On 27 January she spiked the guns of the fort at Nassau, taking military stores including 1,600 pounds of powder, and released 30 American prisoners. She also made prize of a 16-gun British ship and recaptured five other vessels which had been brought in by the British. On 30 January the prizes were manned and sailed away. Providence, with her armed prize, put into New Bedford.
 On the left the replica Providence(Boston, 1980) During the early part of April 1779 Providence was ordered to make a short cruise in Massachusetts Bay and along the coast of Maine. She later sailed south of Cape Cod and on 7 May, captured the brig HMS Diligent, 12 guns, off Sandy Hook. She fired two broadsides and a volley of muskets during the engagement and Diligent, with mast rigging and hull cut to pieces, was forced to surrender. Providence then was assigned to Commodore Saltonstall’s squadron which departed Boston 19 July 1779 and entered Penobscot Bay 25 July. Providence was destroyed by her crew, along with other American vessels in the Penobscot River, 14 August 1779, to prevent her falling into the hands of the British towards the end of the failed Penobscot Expedition.

]Lower deck guns rigged and run out .. ready for the first broad side... well ...almost. Got all of the poop deck to do as well as its fittings  rails and swivel guns. etc. (  deck not glued down in the image") For now I'd like to know just what sort of binnacle was typical for a 18th century ship during the American revolution. The plans I have show a deck box and I assume engine controls probably a compass etc . Also where the ships bell might be.
 
My big question is a rigging plan. My plans show only standing rigging and main peak & throat  blocks  halyards etc.with no clue as to just where they might go. So my question is any one here knowledgeable where all the running rigging should go and belay to?  
 
 
 
Thanks
 
S.O..S

Well the Providence is moving along. For me the rigging of the cannons was challenging but  I had to install at least 4 of them before the poop deck work was to proceed as the beams and deck would make access to those 4 cannons difficult. ( for me at least) I first tried to rig up the tackles separately, attach them to the cannon and then move the cannon into place tackle and all. That didn't work.as there was a lot to manage all at the same time So I next  stropped the block with becket & line to the bulkhead  by drilling a small hole that matched the stropped block in the bulkhead and just glue in the block, strop and line. Same goes for the  single block on the gun carriage Then I glued the gun carriage in place, let the glue dry. With tweezers, two needle threaders I rigged up the tackles as depicted in the photo. The coils are separate and all glued down. I still have to install the  gun barrels and iron work to hold down the trunnions.
 
The in place deck beams are not complete as there are two extensions P&S from the existing beams. All other deck work shown are removable for now to give more space for installing the other 6 cannons and tackles..
 
I gave up the idea of furnishing the main cabin as peering into it would be hopeless  with the eventual  poop deck, case would permit. I'll let the imagination of the viewer supply what John.Paul Jones and officers had for comfort. maybe even a wench or two. After all guys are guys.  Thanks for viewing.
 
S.O.S

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

Thanks Michael . I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
 
On my scratch built model of the Sloop Providence I rigged up the shrouds and rat lines in a way new for me. Rather than doing this delicate job on the model, I decided to make a"rigging station."   That is a scrap wood duplicate of the beam and locations of the lower dead eyes P&S., the mast  located in the middle of the station by means of an appropriate hole in the wooden "rigging station." After seizing the upper dead eyes to the shrouds separately I then placed the shrouds on the model The Sheerpole was now seized on to the shrouds to hold it all together. Now by means of a tagged  bent shallow wire U , marked as to which one is which ( notice in the photo ) both upper and lower deadeyes held all to the hull, mast and shrouds.    At this point the whole thing ,mast, shrouds, and deadeyes can be removed from the model and transferred to the rigging station to enable the ratlines to be more easily tided in. I tagged each shallow U wire for reinsertation later on the model   . The deadeyes are held in position on the rigging station  by means  straight pins. I used the usual ratline spacing guide made from scrap paper etc.   For me this method of tieing in the rat lines off the model was worth the trouble of transferring the rig back and forth and making a"rigging station."   It also has the advantage of being able to take all off the model once again to more easily bend on the main sail via the mast hoops and do some of the running rigging aft of the mast without the encumbrance of the standing rigging in the way. When the running rigging is in place  I can  then rig up the lanyards of the upper and lower deadeyes.   PS the rigging station is shown minus the rig unfortunately I didn't take any images of it in use but i hope viewers get the idea.   Well time will tell if this works as planed.   SOS  
 
 
 

US Navy  aircraft gunner is buried at sea  still aboard his duty station.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWz10jaK0g

Should this be rigged on the inside of the shrouds or the outside?
 
Thanks
 
SOS
 

After a summer of sailing Carrianne,  
  
I figure it's time to continue work on the Sloop  Providence.
So I pinned on the sails to see how they might look. OK but not full of wind.
So I made forms to kind of mold the wind in. This worked pretty good. But attaching the sails to the model and coping with the rigging might prove a problem for me, i decided to do some of the standing rigging off the model like the P&S shrouds etc.then attach the main sail and top sail, deal with their running rigging and then do the head  sails Time will tell if this works.
I'll post pix as I go.
 
S.O.S

Hi guys,
 
I am currently researching a model build for a commission, and the ship in question in based on a Philadelphia packet circa 1818. I'm trying to get an idea of what rigging to represent, this won't be a full rig as the client doesn't want that. Enough standing and running rigging to make it interesting but not every length of line. This is difficult as they want it represented with sail set, which does add to the minimum I can do rigging wise. 
 
I've attached a photo of a model of a vessel which is very similar. On that model, unless I am mistaken I'm only seeing standing rigging, braces and halliards. With sail set, what lines would be essential do you think? Looking at it, I think I could probably leave off buntlines, reef tackles, bowlines and leech lines but I'm unsure. 
 
I have Lennarth Petersson's book here, but comparing it to the fully rigged museum models of similar vessels, the book's represented rigging seems a little more elaborate. What I need is something that I can compare to the diagrams in the book and the other models so that I can find out what I can omit, and what wouldn't have been present on a packet compared to a frigate anyway.
 
Can anyone assist ?