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Finally got back to it... working outside. Cut and installed the cills at the starboard galley door locations and the aft poop deck gun location for the carronade. Presently working on a larboard or port side and fixing an error. I accidentally cut the timber tops down at the wrong location for the carronade. Removed the centre timber stub and sarphed the outside two. Added a scarphed block to the forward timber... did likewise aft... and installed the new centre stub. I need to add the chocks, do some sanding and I can move on.

The Foredom is like a Dremel in my mind and my Dremel is occassionally possessed by evil spirits when carving with proper carving bits. I cannot imagine the difference when using an exceptionally high speed Turbo Carver that sounds like it is designed for the job.

Please, if you can, explain your developed technique to install the gunports quicker.

I think you made the right decision.

I tried printing a flag on thin tissue paper once but didn't like the results. The ink bleeds through to the other side as expected... just the colour seemed off.

You can always tell a real sailor by their colorful language... You did a great job with the flag. Nice and crisp looking.

Might I suggest... If you dilute white PVA glue in water (50/50) and brush this on the rope it will dry in the shape you set it. Don't use CA glue as eventually the rope would become brittle and fall apart. Alan

That's freaking ingenious!

Yes. Above the "As" line. But when going by colour one person's red can be another's orange! This is the case for my wife and I. It has to do with the number of cones in your eyes. So it is better to go a little higher then to find you were to low... but we aren't building rockets so maybe it isn't so important.

and lastly... Most industrial heat treat companies soften their steel by cooling it very slowly, over hours of computer controlled heating temperature drops in a heat treat furnace. This forces it to cross the transformation lines higher on the curve so the material is even softer (HRC25?). This would be ideal but we hobbyists do not have the means or time to do this. From what I've learned today about home quenching in oil I would personally avoid it. Hot water should work as well but the blade is so thin that allowing to air cool shouldn't take an unreasonable amount of time.

In this figure we are showing air cooling from 1500°F to warm in 600 seconds = 10 minutes (?). We pass completely through the transformation curve. Where this happens is in the Pearlite phase and is about a hardness of HRC40. Once it completely cross that third line it cannot become anything else. This is considerably softer and easier to machine than Martensite. I believe this is what Druxey described he does. As his scrapers are not for production use he does not bother to re-Harden, Temper and Age his scrapers. If you were to do this it would be a case of heating the scraper to 1500°F, allowing it to air cool to become warm to touch, only because it was worked on and any localized heating may have changed the microstructure in the area. Then Temper it by re-heating it to 275°F in an oven and holding at that temperature for more than one hour to phase to achieve a hardness of about HRC63 to 65. Finally you would shut off your oven and let everything cool naturally in the oven to room temperature to Age it, make it more ductile, less brittle. If you did do all this you would have a harder/tougher/longer lasting scraper... but is it necessary?

Good evening Kevin. I will do my best to explain what it all means... I was taught to read these diagrams 50 years ago so if there is a professional metallurgist out there that can do this better than me please step in. I will explain the Isothermal Transformation Diagram (T-T-T) as simply as I can in three postings - this being the first. Hacksaw blades are made from high carbon steel (C1095) and this is the Time-Temperature-Transformation diagram for it. On the left is a scale for temperature. On the bottom a scale for time in seconds. On the right a hardness scale in Rockwell C (Rc) where Rc15 is soft and Rc58 is hard... so soft is towards the top of the graph. There are three swerving curves in the middle of the diagram. The one on the left is the start of transformation from one structure to the next. The one on the right is completed transformation. The one is the middle is 50% transformation. You can interpolate 25% and 75% from that. You must heat the blade above the "As" line, a horizontal line at about 1375°F to completely transform into Austinite. So you heat the high carbon steel blade to a Red colour which would be above 1400°F... in the "A" or Austenitic zone and to soften the material you want it to cool at a rate that will cross all the transformation lines in the upper "F+C" zone. Once it crosses that far right line it is fully transformed and cannot become anything else. F+C is Ferrite (soft) and Cementite (hard). The higher you are the more Ferrite is formed and the softer the material will be. This is the Pearlite phase. The lower you are the more Cementite is formed and the harder the material will be. This is the Banite phase. At the very bottom of the graph is the M zone... Martensite. This is very hard and brittle. The hacksaw blade is very thin and so heats up and cools down very quickly. What you did was oil quench from 1400+°F to warm in possibly 10 seconds (?) or more. If you draw a line from 1500°F to 10 seconds (red line on the diagram) you see the material passes through the knee of the transformation curve but does not completely transform. Instead it passes into the "M" zone and becomes mostly Martensite, hard and brittle at possibly HRC66.

Kevin The chart is SAE not Imperial so that would be about 1000°F. The fire extinguisher needs to be for oil. What type oil did you use? I believe Druxey's method was correct and I will explain later tonight after our company has left ... or tomorrow. Alan

Thanks D. So you do not quench at all. Kevin Hack saw blades are usually 1095 carbon steel. TTT is the Time-Temperature-Transformation diagram. It shows at what temperature and over what time the microstructure changes Austenitic to Ferritic + Cementitic) I believe low red heat is not 200 to 300 F it is more like 1000 F and well above the flash temperature of some oils.

Are your degrees F or C? In your research did you find the T-T-T diagram for the material to understand what happens in what time frame?

A very good video that shows the process quite clearly. Thank you for that... but I have few questions about the process you followed. In your first stage annealing (softening) process you do not quench the part. Why? Do you not want to freeze the microstructure in its new homogeneous crystal phase? After re-hardening you Temper the scraper in your (toaster) oven. At the 14:01 minute mark you mention putting the part in an oven at 250° to 300°F for 1 hour At the 14:48 minute mark you say 350°-400°F for 2 hours Which did you do? With a hacksaw blade likely being a rather thin piece of 1095 grade steel wouldn't 350°F for 10 minutes be adequate? You quenched in oil. What oil did you use? Motor oil, cooking oil? Is there any concern of flash ignition? Some cooking oils flash ignite at 600°F and the part is rapidly cooling from about 1500°F or less. Some motor oils flash ignite at 400°F to 600°F. I understand oil is a slower quench and less stressful on the steel. Why not hot water? I believe cold water might be too much shock and crack the metal. Would it be better quenching the blade holding it vertically in the quenchant and swishing it about gently to get an even (front and back) and efficient (heat transfer) quench? Thank you Kevin.

Kevin I emailed you five slides from Toni's PPT presentation that I saved for my personal library. I do not have permission to post them. Alan

I didn't recognize the piece to have been a hacksaw blade. Seemed much deeper than what I use but is probably just camera and scale. Toni Levine had made a wonderful presentation on making and using scrapers at a MMS or NRMMS Club meeting. I'll check my files to see if I have anything useful from my screen captures. I believe she used a hand held dremel and metal cutting disc. Get back to you in a couple hours.

A couple guys in the MSON use old hacksaw blades to make their scrapers. Heat it with a torch to cherry red and fast quench in water to anneal it and then file the teeth away and cut molding shapes into them.

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The boat hook shaft was made from a bamboo skewer, quartered and sized with a draw plate. It is 12 ft (2-1/4") long. The metal head was made with dabs of Weldbond PVA glue. One end of the shaft was sanded to an elongated cone shape and that was rotated in a puddle of glue to give a thin cone layer shape. This was hung to dry upside down, stuck in a piece of Styrofoam and hanging off the edge of a shelf so gravity was working with me. Then I clipped the shaft in a wooden spring clothes pin clamp and applied dabs or dots of Weldbond to one side of the hook base with a straight pin, allowing each dab to dry before adding the next, building out to the hook shape. Again each dab was allowed to dry a bit before adding the next. It was set down horizontally at first and gradually was raised.. with gravity working with me. The hook shape eventually revealed itself. When done and dry it was painted with Acrylic metallic black paint.

Remade my oars and added a boat hook The original oars were just nasty.

I was lucky enough to attend the Admiralty Models Frieze painting and Flag Workshop held in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario, Canada (30 minutes from my home) in 2015. The images attached are what I did at the workshop. David Antscherl told us they may be painted on the model directly but it is much more convenient to paint them on paper and glue this to the model. This was done to quite a few 18th century museum models. Long friezes were made in short sections. Painting is with water-based acrylic paint. To avoid the paper buckling when glued it must first be stretched. Soak the paper in lukewarm water for a few minutes, drain the excess water off the paper, then lay it on a flat ply board. When the paper has turned dull tape it down to the board with four pieces of gummed brown paper - watercolour Kraft paper tape from an Art Supply store. After throughly dried the paper will no longer buckle when glued. First paint the background on the paper (cobalt blue hue - aka cobalt blue deep). Layout the design on tracing paper, checking that it fits the area on the model. Transfer the design to the painted paper using a sharp pointed hard lead pencil and white Saral brand transfer paper (similar to carbon paper... but white not black). Paint the frieze by first blocking off the figures with a mixture of yellow ochre and a touch of white (or unbleached titanium white). Work left to right (if right handed) and turn the work so the edge you are painting is on your left (again if you are right handed) so you are always painting in one direction up and away from what was just done. Paint without thickness or brush marks. When dry repeat the painting process if any background colour comes through. Highlighting with a light ochre (yellow ochre and a bit more white) normally comes from above and one side. Shadows (burnt umber for darker shadows and burnt umber mixed with red oxide for lighter shadows) will be opposite. When dry cut the strips from the sheet with a new blade on a scalpel and a straight or curved edge guide. Cut the lower edge to fit and leave the upper edge and sides with a little extra material that can easily be trimmed off to fit perfect when on the model. Turn the model on its side if you can and glue the frieze to the model with a 2 or 3 parts white glue and 1 part water mixture. Brush the diluted glue onto the model, not the paper. Place the frieze on the model. Wipe away excess glue with a water dampened paint brush. wash with a wet brush. Press the frieze down with a dampened pad of paper towel. When dry you can carefully trim away the extra paper. Allow one strip of frieze to dry before applying the next.

Has anyone responded to your painting question? I thought I read some people painted on paper and then glued the paper onto the model. This seems more comfortable in many ways.

I am sorry to learn what you've got to go through with all this. What I've learned is I best get some photos as proof of what I have accumulated for any insurance claim.