AON Posted November 25, 2015 Share #1 Posted November 25, 2015 Can someone tell me the proper name for any extra partial top timber frame? I was into a rhythm drawing my frames and suddenly noticed something was wrong. After about 20 minutes I suddenly saw it tuck in between two frames above a gun port. (see the attached image below) Of course I had some choice names for it at the time, but now that I've had time to... reflect... I probably should be calling it something else. Thanks in advance for your help with this. Alan Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share #2 Posted November 26, 2015 Seems I may be resorting to my original nautical vernacular (spoken like a true sailor) as this unnamed timber had caused me considerable emotional grief. Or possible I'll just refer to it as Waldo (as in where's Waldo) ;^) mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted November 27, 2015 Share #3 Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) My guess is: filler top . In any case, what you show is a nightmare. Tapered timbers - shifted timbers. re-enforces my preference for planking everything from the main wale on up. In which case, it is easier and makes for a more stable hull to fill the spaces above the main wale with timbers. Edited November 27, 2015 by Jaager mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Thank you for the very good suggestion Jagger! It was suggested this would take some research to find out. I'm guessing it was not that common. I have a small library that I will look through once more... and of course there is the inter-web which I will delve into further but I have a feeling you may be correct as it may have just been a "toptimber filler piece" as opposed to that sneaky little so and so. For the present mine will be referred to affectionately as Waldo. Regarding your comment on the choice of build... there are moments I feel I may have bitten off more than I can chew but I have nothing but time and I can be very patient but certainly never quit. I am hoping it will be more fun than it seems. It will definitely be a worthy challenge.... and ah loves a challenge! Alan Edited November 27, 2015 by AON Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robcg Posted November 27, 2015 Share #5 Posted November 27, 2015 Peter Goodwin (Sailing Man of War, 1987, pg.15,16) and C.N. Longridge (Anatomy of Nelson's Ships, 1981, pg.19) both call them "lengthening pieces". DH Roberts' translation of Blaise Ollivier's Remarks on the Navies of the English and the Dutch (1992, pg.65) calls them "fifth futtocks", but this is a translation of Ollivier's best guess on the subject. Generally, I believe they're also occasionally called "filling pieces". This seems to be the case whether they're above a port sill, as in your example, or attached to an unbroken bend. mtaylor, Canute and shiloh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 27, 2015 Share #6 Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) "Waldo" works for me, Alan. The name sort of grows on you. Edited November 27, 2015 by mtaylor Canute and AON 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 27, 2015 Share #7 Posted November 27, 2015 Usually 'Waldos' are attached to the top timber beside them with a long scarph. I've not seen an independent one such as your illustration shows. Very interesting! Canute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted November 27, 2015 Share #8 Posted November 27, 2015 I have a vague recollection of Rees mentioning and showing Waldo (though he called it something else) in his Cyclopaedia. Alas, I am packing ti move and my hard copy is somewhere in a box. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted November 27, 2015 I have Rees and hadn't found it but will look again, I also have the PDF of the Cyclopaedia and will hunt through it tonight. Thank you Wayne (it may be hard to let go of Waldo) trippwj, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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