Steve 12345 Posted January 7, 2017 #61 Posted January 7, 2017 Are you soaking the strips in cold water ? I like to use boiling water but find with planks they will swell quickly if left in to long round about five mins seems about right for me Quote
Steve 12345 Posted January 7, 2017 #62 Posted January 7, 2017 A plank crimping tool would also help with this Derek if your still having probs Quote
Worldway Posted January 7, 2017 Author #63 Posted January 7, 2017 So wood should be soaked with hot water? I have been using water from the cold tap. Didn't think that would have made a difference. Steve 12345 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Robin Lous Posted January 7, 2017 #65 Posted January 7, 2017 very yes Steve 12345 1 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
REXY Posted January 7, 2017 #66 Posted January 7, 2017 from my experience and what my father has told me ( was a boat builder now joiner ) cold water fills up the pores of the wood, making the wood softer.steaming wood really opens up the pores and makes the wood nice and flexible (dry method as pores are not full of water) soaking the boards in hot water does a bit of both but the pores become full of water this requires you to let the water dry out before gluing as the board is at its most wide because it has swelled a lot. Cheers Rexy Steve 12345 1 Quote Current build HM Bark Endeavour - 1768 - 1:60
Worldway Posted January 7, 2017 Author #67 Posted January 7, 2017 Thanks all, that really helps a lot. Steve 12345 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted January 7, 2017 Author #68 Posted January 7, 2017 So how long would one keep it in hot water Steve 12345 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Steve 12345 Posted January 7, 2017 #69 Posted January 7, 2017 I like to have a smoke then take them out not suggesting you start smoking if you don't already Robin Lous, hof00 and Don Quixote 3 Quote
Worldway Posted January 7, 2017 Author #70 Posted January 7, 2017 I made a small investment today in a cordless curling iron. I soaked the wood in cold water for about 3 minutes then applied the heat from the curling iron. That certainly made the job a lot easier. However,I think because of all the soaking and drying the wood is starting to splinter a bit. Hopefully I can make it work because I don't really have any spare. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted January 11, 2017 Author #71 Posted January 11, 2017 I am having issues with the fit of the top rail. Once again nothing is lining up correctly. I added a piece on the top of the keel to try to hide errors then cut the prefabricated top rail and added a piece on. It makes the fit a lot better but it's still not perfect and the added piece is very noticeable. I'm not sure if i can wood fill my way out of this one. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted January 12, 2017 Author #72 Posted January 12, 2017 I think the point here is, you're building a model and you're using the materials you've got available. Me, I'd probably look online and see if I could buy some suitable timber that I could cut to shape. But of course, not everyone can afford to (or be bothered to) do that. Your solution looks as though it can work. You'll need to do some careful work with files and/or sandpaper to make everything align decently, but you obviously have a constructive approach to problems like this. Keep going. I'm certain you'll end up with a model you'll feel proud to have built! Your right but I think I have spent enough on this model. I had thought about purchasing more wood to fix the error but I'm done spending money on this. I still plan to finish a model that is acceptable on display. Like you said, I'll sand and shape and do whatever I can to make it presentable. I ran into a similar problem with the rubbing strakes. Because of limited material I had to add a 5 cm piece to the end of one length. It looks horrible but again, I wasn't willing to buy more material. This is and always has been a learning model. In the end, if I have to relegate it to the trash bin, I will. But I have learned a ton from this. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted January 18, 2017 Author #73 Posted January 18, 2017 I tried adding some veneer to the top rails but wasn't pleased with the results so pulled it off. I decided to use what I have and with the use of some wood fill I have managed to make them look somewhat presentable (although others may disagree) I have also added some polyurethane to a lot of the deck furniture. I'm still moving forward. Looking forward to the day that all the deck furniture is installed and I can work on the rigging. Unfortunately I haven't been able to spend as much time as I wanted on it but it's not a rushed project. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted January 19, 2017 Author #74 Posted January 19, 2017 Sometimes I think that my imperfections just make the boat look weathered more. I finished the top rails and polyurethaned it. It's starting to take shape. I was very discouraged after my several attempts with the top rail, and once again I did a lot of rework, but I'm happy with the results. This model almost met the side of a wall but alas it still sits in the dry dock. I think all the really difficult parts are done (however, there is still a little rigging to do). I'm anxious to finish this one so I can start in on the Bluenose. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
donrobinson Posted January 19, 2017 #75 Posted January 19, 2017 Looking good Derek, and you are doing a great job overcoming some of the problems we all face Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus
Worldway Posted January 20, 2017 Author #76 Posted January 20, 2017 Well I'm starting to see a little light at the end of the tunnel. Things are starting to take shape. A couple of issues I have dealt with. 1. The glass knob for the winch brake system broke on me so I just installed the one hand brake. 2. I decided not to install the window ledges or grabs bar on the ends of the wheel house. 3. I didn't have any wood for the engine cover. So, because I have tons of basswood left over, I decided to cover it with that and will use veneer to cover it over. 4. I have decide not to edge the sliding doors with brass wire. I've tried and I find it far too finicky to stress over it. I will edge it with veneer and leave it at that. I truly think they screwed up when they packaged the model and I was too new to the hobby and too excited to get started to do a full inventory. I know I used some wrong woods during the build but I don't think I screwed up so bad that I'm running out of one type of wood and have an excess of another. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted January 21, 2017 Author #77 Posted January 21, 2017 I have had a re-think of my approach and figure that if I'm going to get any better at model ship building then I have to accept each challenge as they arrive. Therefore I have edged the sliding doors. Also I will install the window ledges and grab bars on the wheel house. I'm not going to spend any more money on this model so I'm not going to buy glass knobs so I can install the second brake handle. Heronguy 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Pierretessier Posted January 21, 2017 #78 Posted January 21, 2017 Looking moving along greatly. I've been enjoying following your build log. Quote Pierre. All in all it's pretty relaxing when you just take your time..... Current build Santa Maria by MarisStella Completed Batelina by MarisStella
Worldway Posted January 21, 2017 Author #79 Posted January 21, 2017 Thanks Pierre, I have really been enjoying this although some of my posts may have suggested otherwise. I'm pleased with my progress so far even if it isn't museum quality. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Pierretessier Posted January 21, 2017 #80 Posted January 21, 2017 I'm still not sure how good I'll be at this. Museum quality comes with years of experience and trial and error. What I like about following these builds is that you can learn from others...making the learning curve so much easier. Although I am still aways from starting my next build it's nice to read and reasearch to see what lays ahead, and try to avoid making some rookie mistakes... Keep up the good work my friend... PS... like your Interest comment "Driving my wife nuts. She suggested I get a hobby." I recently retired at the age of 50...and she said the same to me....Looks like this is how many get in this hobby. Quote Pierre. All in all it's pretty relaxing when you just take your time..... Current build Santa Maria by MarisStella Completed Batelina by MarisStella
Worldway Posted January 22, 2017 Author #81 Posted January 22, 2017 Today I finished the wheel house. I added the window ledges and grab bars. I also finished the sliding doors. I still have to finish the engine cover and hatchway. Once done then I will permanently attach the deck furniture then work on the mast and rigging. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
skifflake Posted January 22, 2017 #82 Posted January 22, 2017 Derek: Really nice. I will follow the rest of your build. Pat at Skiff Lake NB Quote
Worldway Posted January 25, 2017 Author #83 Posted January 25, 2017 Continuing with the build. I figured I should finish little bits that haven't been done yet. I ran into a problem with the rudder, it didn't fit. So I cut it back to make it work i then added some of the rigging. Should be fixing deck furniture very soon. I'm still finishing the engine cover and the hatchway. Slowly moving forward but I am pleased with the results so far. It's been a huge learning curve but I learn every day. I'm seriously loving this hobby no matter how frustrating it gets. Heronguy, GrantGoodale and Steve 12345 3 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Steve 12345 Posted January 25, 2017 #84 Posted January 25, 2017 Looking good derek I've tried the fit of the rudder on mine it seems they all take a bit of tinkering to fit Quote
skifflake Posted January 25, 2017 #85 Posted January 25, 2017 Your doing great. Keep at it and you will be amazed when it's completed. Pat at Skiff Lake Quote
Worldway Posted January 26, 2017 Author #86 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Well Brian. I just designed the plinth tonight and ordered a scroll saw blade to cut it. Hopefully I'll have it done by the the end of the weekend. 210821 - My families birth dates. Feb 21 for my son, March 8th for my other son and May 21 for my wife. Austin - AU - son Trudy - TRU - Admiral Logan - LO - son Edited January 26, 2017 by Worldway Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted February 3, 2017 Author #87 Posted February 3, 2017 I haven't fully finished the deck furniture but I have started some of the rigging. I coated the ends of the lines with CA to stiffen them so I could get them through the holes. It worked fine but I'm wondering what other methods you use to get the lines through the sometimes very small holes. I have seen some suggestions such as a needle threader or tiny wire. Hopefully I'll be able to complete the deck furniture this weekend and get it all installed so I can concentrate on the rigging. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
hof00 Posted February 3, 2017 #88 Posted February 3, 2017 My two Cents worth, Make a "Bodkin" on 20mm with a bit of CA to stiffen the thread/line that you want to thread through. Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
Worldway Posted February 3, 2017 Author #89 Posted February 3, 2017 Thanks HOF. I had to look up what a Bodkin is but I was hoping you could expand a bit because I'm not following your suggestion. Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Steve 12345 Posted February 4, 2017 #90 Posted February 4, 2017 Hi I didn't know the term for it either but what hof is suggesting is dip about 20mm of the line you want to thread in ca then if needs be you can slice the thread to a point to help thread it you will be cutting the stiffened line off afterwards ofcourse Quote
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