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Fix the main boom lashing

 

Now that I have the main boom available for my thumbs, I needed to remove the spiral lashing. Let’s see how it went.

·         5a0c65cac48a2_bn_1032aDSC_0302.jpg.f98b222c9c83b9f2e550164cdc46cd73.jpgHere we see an image of Bluenose ll main boom under sail. This is the image that I am trying for.  A few exceptions however, as I have figured out this rigging is not identical to the original Bluenose.  The lashing looks right however, so that is step one.

·         5a0c65cb638f7_bn_1032bDSC_0312.jpg.fa5efa5e7009fbc86400f8d06a0489af.jpgHere is a detail and it shows the lashes wrap under to a square knot and the ends then tuck through a single strand of the line on either side.  You can also see the outer topping lift line passing forward to the pin on the port side jaw.  Please remember this image when we move to lazy jacks.

·         5a0c65cbe55a8_bn_1032cDSC_0311.jpg.23d1fc13640b9b4238890a2d8f7a2a45.jpgHere the boom tackle gets tied up to avoid sagging.

·         5a0c65cc75177_bn_1032dDSC_0493.jpg.4bf25f5c608f4e718e381d5586747034.jpgHere you see on the model I had fixed the first lashes aft of the main sheet bale.

·         5a0c65cd10a12_bn_1032EDSC_0497.jpg.5da9c867724165af18fabad71880e836.jpgHere is the needle tucking the end through. Most lay perfectly parallel but some are stubborn.  Wax helped, though I fear more fabric glue will do the trick.

·         5a0c65cd98364_BN_1032FDSC_0498.jpg.b580f4afe7f037ca930481ce946ee6c4.jpgHere is a challenge.  Like previous models I had staggered the jaw holes. That is wrong, and I shall plug them and align them as I go.

·        bn_1032G.jpg.14961a5e3f5956de26446278cd14d0a9.jpg Here we are with the lashing done and the mast re-stepped.

 

Oh for the breakage…..chuckle

Remember the little top mast extension. 

5a0c65ce92e05_BN_1033DSC_0499.jpg.9085c1ec52b06e3b70120b35b873f9e7.jpgI chose not to stress either dowel or mast by using a brass pin.  I used a tooth pick to pin it so that the tooth pick would be the weak link.   I was right; even the weight of the light strings and the waving around was enough to break the tooth pick.  So far so good. when i was moving the whole boat for cleaning up and the camera hit the for stays, this tooth pick broke again. It might be too weak a link, and I need to think about it, perhaps plastic tooth pick.  For now though it's easy to fix and it causes no mast damage.[ I do not glue this connection]

 

cheers 

 

jon 

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Jon

 

An interesting parallel furrow we plough. I spent today rigging the main boom on Altair. Not quite as complicated as Blue Nose. How about a cocktail stick rather than a tooth pick.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

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Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Thanks Keith

We celebrated Beaujolais nouveau last night, so I am good for another day. For me it is rebuilding main sheet bale and lazy Jack's.  Here is an area where bn and bn ll don't agree.    Maybe the new wine will age as I try to solve this one.

 

Cheers

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Upgrade the main boom

 

This step is a bit complicated and I will make at least  two postings.  I am finding my way through fog a bi,t but that is appropriate for grand bank fishing vessels.  The first post is to share the research, show some options and share the first fix I completed.   I keep wondering if the information regarding BN ll is really applicable?   While there in Lunenburg, the captain confirmed a few changes in rigging from the original, I pointed out to him as coast guard requirements.  I believe there are a few more involved with the main boom.  So, I share my thought process below with photos:

·         5a11e3d8d2496_bn_1034aAAA_1299.jpg.a693493dc98058a623f51fb50aece287.jpgHere we look up at the main sail and see three systems of boom lifts

·        5a11e3d97cb7b_bn_1034bAAA_1300.jpg.0046dc19ccf729b7bb5a32017619c948.jpg Looking aft we see the forward lift then the midpoint lift is banded aft of the main sheet bale and the end lift is at the boom end.

·        5a11e3da267b7_bn_1034dAAA_1187.jpg.892e887b4e6ee7ad135d7eb9aa9bc6ab.jpg Looking up at the dock side we see all three boom lifts and the lazy jacks as well as the peak halyards.  Lots of lines, not seen on BN photos

·        5a11e3dabe0fa_bn_1034eDSC_0143.jpg.29e2685daf61cc8d33f9f758674146e8.jpg Here is a detail of the forward lift. I beleive this is new but so far have added it to the model.

·         5a11e3db515f0_bn_1034f200330654.jpg.b40ba11b46e37b1323650c9697d2531a.jpgHere we see Bluenose sailing from a NS achieve file. There is a mid-point lift near the sheet bale. There is no forward lift and I don’t see the end boom lift.  Most schooners had them, the captain told me the original had one.  The Eisnor plans do not show any other but what is in this photo…

 

 

That raises the hard question.  I am still struggling with final solution for my model but have several other items we can do.

·         5a11e3dbe93eb_bn_1034gAAA_1204.jpg.c50c4c06f0182f4a4511e58ea39a4b4c.jpgHere we see the boom tackle being made to a large wood cleat on the boom, not the jaw pin as on four masted schooners and other boats.

·        5a11e3dc6c94d_bn_1034hDSC_0174.jpg.794a135b48b5eac2429d0637eefc8b05.jpg Here we see the attachment method that makes good sense for the lazy jacks. Simply sewing will do here.

·         5a11e3dd13e1e_bn_1034jAAA_1212.jpg.3b45cc2273ae0b8b3994de80f6cd946f.jpgHere we see a detail of the metal work for both the main sheet bale and mid boom lift.  Note here the lift is clearly just aft of the sheet bale.  It also highlights the choice made on BN ll to use all bright work on the blocks and blacken all the metal work.

·         5a11e3dda6f96_bn_1035a200330687.jpg.3dbdfd285e4f335ab21f2dafb37e0809.jpgHe we see a conflict. This old NS archive photo shows the two lift bales.  One next to the man’s hat just has two lines going straight up like a lazy jack.  The other over the skipper’s head is clearly the large midpoint lift.

·         5a11e3de5e445_bn_1035b200330716.jpg.14a8a368ce7adae5b83bcce806a0efee.jpgHere is a ns archive photo take in 1940 survey, post fishing.   There is no evidence of lazy jacks and the boom lift is back just forward of the bale.  Therefore, we see that this band was moved around by different skippers.

·         5a11e5c683658_Bn_1035carcheivedetailmainsheetbale.jpg.e5c5cf62352173da9bf5d083fc2e9a17.jpgThis blow up of the ns archive  photo just confirms the lift band was not aft of the main sheet. So like my model, the foot ropes come to the sheet bale. 

My sheet bale needed to be rebuilt. It was too low and used ugly tabs for the foot ropes. I also need to use more real bolts at this scale when they are right.  I found the 00-90 bolts perfect for the this.

·         5a11e5c72c74e_bn_1035fDSC_0513.jpg.8037617826df64daa1e8089eeb84f086.jpgTo build the bale I use 14-gauge electrical wire. It is nicely annealed and takes a 1-72 die easily

·         5a11e5c7c393b_bn_1035gDSC_0528.jpg.d6e0a9f45eb67f7fc2c76a40aaa09b69.jpgHere we are in place with better connections to the foot rope. You can see I have currently placed the boom lift band forward of the main sheet. some more paint to get that galvanized look is next

·         5a11e5c857997_bn_1035hDSC_0510.jpg.f1e4d0fac8eea1a086b093af255f43c4.jpgAnd here is the cable becket looped blocks taking the mid boom lift as rigged on BN ll.   Sure hope I am right but now I have committed to following Jensen drawings except where I clearly know there is a change.  

All for now

Cheers

jon

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Jon, looking good. Where did you get the blocks from?

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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hi Keith

 

the blocks come for the Bluejacket company site.  They are a long time modelship company here in Maine and sponsor of NRG.  I use them because in the large scale and need to able to sail they work well, as I can do things like relocate back stays, and the lines run through them reasonably. Also for the use of attachment both of strop or becket they have strength.  

 

cheers 

Posted

Jon

 

The correct way of doing it:-

 

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Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

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Jon - I also responded in my Altair post. I actually did it slightly differently as I explained in my response.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

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Thanks Keith I really liked your use of black construction paper for the photo in your build log. It was really clear.  I am making a new foresail and will focus first on clew and head attachment up grades. I shall then relash new sail to spars and reset using your diagram to the hoops.

 

Cheers. 

Jon

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Second part of main boom upgrades

 

In this post, I need to record what I decided to do with the lazy jacks to get a view that replicates the 1940 ish boat photos, but also listens to the folks that tell me the Jensen drawings were accurate except for coast guard enhancements.   I believe that there were no lazy jacks in the early races other than a single line that is seen in some of the distant photos.   Regardless, I may have gone too far so I have installed the mid point system as it shows on jensen drawings.  I have chosen for the moment not to add the inner most lazy  jacks but did install the inner boom lift.

·         5a19847762e82_bn_1036aAAA_1514.jpg.db7bb3e36c43d45b160e4bd85dc426c7.jpgHere we have a view of the new lazy jacks and lifts. There are two lines [ lazy jacks] falling to the boom from the mid boom lift. You can see the port side back stay made to the aft position beyond, and the end boom lift line twisted in this photo.  I need to figure out how to keep lines from twisting.   

·         bn_1036b.jpg.24a29a484d4c0ba0ef36d8caa10ac6c9.jpgIn this view the forward lift is clearer.  Also you can see an issue for a future fix,the peak halyard bridles are made of rope[ they are tan with black seizing].  I made this in error based on my  looking at the old photos months ago. After seeing the real thing I looked again at the old photos and yes, they are clearly cable.  This is now a punch list and some how I need to come back on these.

·         5a198478bfa52_bn_1036d200330715.jpg.1f44761571300c79b5a221b4e9c2ea60.jpgThis NS archive photo gives the simple look I need to get. There is center band over the deck house  that looks like it is in the same location the forward lift.  I chose this to justify installing the forward lift to the blocks under the cross trees.

·         bn_1036eAAA_1516.jpg.70401da3a276d59d04051c9a46ef2ded.jpgThis image is just to show where we are at this point as I move on. The lashing of the furled is also in the tan hemp colored material.  The bait barrels need to come soon and yes the shall.

 

Lazy jack details.

·         5a19847a2df0c_bn_1037aDSC_0518.jpg.0ad57907c7cd18abe8777485b7a1b5c6.jpgHere we see my first attempt, before going to Lunenburg of the wood fairleads.  Reject..

·        5a19847abd625_bn_1037bDSC_0514.jpg.6728e15bd1cfc6d49f343d094f1e2e91.jpg I looked around the shop for inspiration and found mini clothes pins.  Some were broken so available. I cut them down and presto…not perfect at all but much better.  I believe from reading more advanced builder's logs that if I had some pear or other good wood, I could file/ carve them down more and they would be even better.     I am definitely not there yet.

·         5a19847b669f8_bn_1037cDSC_0516.jpg.396ac6913929b075e2849460f4475ffa.jpgHere we see the fairlead in place and the two eye spliced lines ready to be lashed through the fairleads

·        5a19847bdf56e_bn_1037dDSC_0520.jpg.d263e1e5afd5fc6691d41bc415c363a2.jpg Now to install:   the real ones are wire wrapped to hold the line eye splices to the cable boom lifts.  So I sewed and tied hitches trying to respect the method.

·        5a19847c8649e_bn_1037eDSC_0523.jpg.d1437bd292e84067fa14c1e2bb528d5b.jpg Below the larger line is eye splices at the bottom about the height of the gaff, then a double smaller line is run through the fairleads under the boom and tied off.  This hitching is the adjustment.

 

 

Ok I am onward to the foremast

Cheers

 

jon

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Prepare foremast to become removable and take it out

 

Well here we go in finding the resolution of what one might do with this a model that is more than 6 feet tall and might also be able to sail. After the trial and error removal, upgrade and replacement of the main mast, let’s see how much better we can get working the foremast.

 

·        5a1c87a9bf79f_bn_1039aAAA_1517.jpg.49461bfee11702c8da745bc8a7e16ea8.jpg Let’s undo all the lines and use smaller pieces of masking tape to separate and hold them on proper side to prevent tangles. This include head stays, any future jibs all the lines made to the rail pins.

·         5a1c87aa83f00_bn_1039bAAA_1518.jpg.d3319a2a65d21074ed5d8c06e0b33812.jpgHere we are with loose lines more carefully taped. The jumbo boom and sail sits on top of the fore gaff and with a little tape is secure enough to move. I we had the jib and jib top sails they would be handled similarly.

·         5a1c87ab1f18e_bn_1039cAAA_1519.jpg.96a19226cdda9167aa3e1ddd6bc1b9f1.jpgbeing more careful this time, the mast easily comes up and out and then down onto the rigging table.  See the small top mast extension did not break the toothpick this time…. Yippee!  Now I need to have a large card board box [ tray really] to receive this and careful take to the car if we are going travelling of store while simpler mast and sail is rigged for sailing RC.

·         5a1c87abc7464_bn_1039eAAA_1520.jpg.6f7fb889d170bb2961d2a111d376737c.jpgHere Bluenose sits with the foremast demasted.   I hope we are on a roll now, but I fear it’s more like we're entering another rabbit hole, as I find more things to do.

 

 

Now we have several items to fix.

·         5a1c87ac5af8e_bn_1040aAAA_1521.jpg.99c1e7112df796f3d62da8b3a805c435.jpgFirst of all, the bridles for the peak halyards need to become black representing the cable material.  To do that the sail lashing needed to be removed.

·         5a1c87ace4e50_bn_1040bAAA_1522.jpg.471e0e5923b773409dcc28f77b9ad96c.jpgHere we find a big error and shifting resolution.   The Jensen drawings and BN ll photos show the fore sail to be clearly 2 feet bigger running out further on the boom and gaff.  It works out to be one extra panel. You can see the lighter line on the paper pattern.

·        5a1c87ad73d1d_bn_1040cAAA_1525.jpg.84d57c6c2a4d7ab946495d3abdbd707c.jpg Decision made…. I need to remake the sail.  I will use the first sail for a possible sailing version on a simple mast and boom. Here the new sail is laid out.  

·        5a1c87adf2dac_bn_1040dAAA_1526.jpg.53c0c5e49bdbaa30135e7b0123c75ddc.jpg Here the new cut sail is laid out and looks much better partially furled.  More to think about as this new sail progresses.

·        5a1c87ae8e3f9_bn_1040gDSC_0533.jpg.1cbb9d3aeb02caa5a7c82d91537761cc.jpg The fragile top mast is easy to straighten out.  Here in a detail it is easy to see the improved look of the draped shrouds and stays over the shoulder with only two blocks.  Next decision is whether to paint the top ball gold.    I am sure it was when new…….did it last?  

·        5a1c87af20de6_bn_1041aDSC_0529.jpg.02678bb6a50150808ba326eb46022b69.jpg I needed to put the boot on the mast.  I found I needed to sand down the below deck mast to get the wood painted ring to slide up.  The gray boot will slide down onto the deck after reinstalling.

It seems each time I do something, I find two more things to redo…….oh well

Cheers

jon

Posted

Make the bait barrels

 

I thought it time to stop looking at the rough made barrel blanks rolling around the deck and turn them into racked bait barrels.

·         5a20073c65c5e_bn_1041b200330711.jpg.c723bfb22b583d21757d7178fbb6ed2e.jpgHere is the NS archive image of what I am trying to do. There is more detail in the picture in recent posting showing the top lids and some large storage boxes perhaps for loose fishing gear.  There is also a steel barrel lashed up against the cabin, and a bucket on the roof.

·         5a20073b94a57_bn_1041aDSC_0531.jpg.69e21d1613fdf2634c9f2aac7bb33e38.jpgHere are the blanks. I bought these in a craft shop maybe 10 years ago thinking a day would come where they would be handy. They are bored out on a lathe and if this works I will add to my list a need to make some blanks myself, because I need another barrel [ different use I believe] that goes up by the galley hatch.  These blanks are the perfect size to try to copy the photo. 

·         The jig in the photo is to allow gluing cut off dowel slugs with a matching recess this all 6.  The cut dowels were about 1/16th smaller than the id of the barrel. They are screwed through the jig and then the barrel set down.  I shimmed with 1/16 scrap and the after the first dry out filled the gap with more wood glue.

·         5a20073d022ff_bn_1041cDSC534.jpg.5d701b73b2c09b0228d56d86ab534b1c.jpgIn this shot I have made up the second rack and precut all the pieces needed to make up the lids.  I wanted a dirty, oiling, yucky look ….sort of what an old bait barrel might look like.  For some reason I had an old can of ebony stain and it worked great as the under coat. I then did some random touch up with satin black so there is a mixed look.  Nowhere near perfect but better I think than just paint.

·         5a20073db7ea2_bn_1041dDSC_0535.jpg.ecf9909f1361b9fdc4477cf2ddbe1952.jpgHere they are on deck.  The oil barrel needs trim and I ordered some styrene that might bend around to complete the drum details. i let the red putty show through the pain t a bit as i want a little rust to show.   

·        5a20073e5e6bc_bn_1041dfAAA_1528.jpg.ac79ef4466d85f658b697f369d1b2dba.jpg Here we see the effect on deck.  I need now to decide if I want to add the side boxes.  I probably shall, but not yet.  They are also loose as I am thinking more now about what comes off if we go sailing. Also they would not be on board if we are racing.

PS my first attempt to make the small tub barrel was a disaster.  I need to make the small tapered and bevels staves.  I believe I will need to figure out a jig first, and set up a production line. on at a time is not good.

Cheers

jon

Posted (edited)

Nice work Jon.

 

Have you thought how you will lower the centre of gravity for sailing. On the plans for the sailing version of Altair the suggested modification is to attach a separate lead keel on a skeg some 4 inches below the level of the real keel. The technical reason for this is that scaling down does not work if you want good sailing performance. Sail area varies as the square of the length while displacement varies as the cube. The result is that if you do a true scale model it has too little displacement and much too much sail area. Im sure from your previous builds of sailing yachts you are aware of the problem.


 The Altair plans also show a sailing rudder that has about twice the area of the scale rudder. 

 

 

Edited by KeithAug

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Posted

 

 

Keith thanks for your post. 

I know there are some calculations to do.  You can follow the link on my signature to my two former builds that sailed and I discussed what i did.  not perfect but they sailed.

 

  • 5a20410732a10_bhod-10104onstandatclub.thumb.jpg.426ba2554fd0d2edd9fc5afbe661eb58.jpgBoothbay Harbor one design I had two boats.  The image below of the Bittersweet shows the bolted on 10 pound keel and extension rudder. The 13inch moment is similar to the Marblehead 50 inch class sailboats that I have.  I am sure I could raise bulbs up a few inches i just have too much invested to take that chance. I sail these at the Boothbay harbor Yacht Club......ocean!

 

 

 

  • 5a20410fccb0c_CN1755Charliemadethedockandkeelattached.thumb.jpg.748e8546e5eb168dc23f086f31b0d423.jpgThis image is the Charles Notman.  She is roughly the same size and weight of Bluenose.  Here a large sailing keel and extension rudder does the trick.   Now that I am moving toward a possible sailing venture with Bluenose, I shall make the extension parts.  Please note that the white stands I make are similar for each boat.  That stand not only allows heeling over for display and working convenience, it allows setting on the dock, adding the temp keel etc. and sailing.  Tthe two lead bricks are 5 pound each.

FYI confirming the advise of a local schooner expert this model would not head up into the wind and tack.  Just like the real ones, the center of influence is the center of the hull [ here it is forward end of the added keel].  The center of effort is somewhere in the foresail.  If I took off the jibs she might sail.  I have retired her and slowly work away at completing the detail.   I know I am adding more and more scope to Bluenose making completing other projects go on and on.  Oh well

 

cheers 

jon

Posted (edited)

Part one of remaking a new Foresail

 

I am spinning out of control here. I thought it time to post what is happening, as I use this process to help think about what I am doing. It helps so I can decide if I keep going and adding more and more redo’s or to I cry uncle and move on.    This scale leaves few excuses not to try to get things to show how they worked.  So let’s see how much trouble I am in half way through remaking a sail.

 

First let’s see what we learned about how the sails was rigged.

·         5a25c499b961b_bn_1042aAAA_1193foresailclew.thumb.jpg.a99617cd6519cfcefdc5c0f72d2eef6c.jpgHere is a detail of both the ironmongery and clew attachment to the fore boom.  I must redo everything

·         Example:  …see how the boom tackle is attached to the boom.  The block has a hook which is moused to the ring which is held by the bolt through the bands

·         5a25c49a65daa_bn_1042aaDSC_0537.jpg.3b1b2ea4ec6d0457ff61a4a6646e10fd.jpgHere is my attempt to replicate that.     Yes another diversion

·        5a25c49b5ccd4_bn_1042bAAA_1193foresailpeak.thumb.jpg.03bc29b6ac9cc207fb50ca91fe28dded.jpg Here is the detail of peak connection to the gaff.   There is much to talk about here… this post is only the sail, but the gaff is in trouble.

·        5a25c49c77d3c_bn_1042cAAA_1194foresailtack.thumb.jpg.9ad07befa92027f63d3922165291bb9f.jpg Here we see the tack connection and details of the gooseneck.

·         5a25c49d1f7c4_bn_1042dAAA_1194foresailthroat.jpg.459de105846c8facb8a0f83a44bc419d.jpgFour corners make these sails, so here is the throat.   Wow much to do here

·         5a25c49dda5de_bn_1042eAAA_1283.jpg.180c943617286000d9e1c3b92253dddf.jpgFinally let’s look and see the reef points.  Yes they are diamond points and not the band that goes on the bigger schooners.  How am I going to make them?

 

 

First I made some samples and experimented with different size hollow mini rivets to use as grommets.

·        5a25c49e64d48_bn_1043aDSC_0539.jpg.7d982fe869aeff1dac76cb6181824e81.jpg I made four corners, and the first one did not go so well.   This is my second attempt.  I am using thread to lash the grommets and two sizes of grommets.  I would need a mini bicycle tire rim shaped ring to be the perfect lashed ring.  I have no idea how to do that, so I drew the line, I soldered a small ring and moved on.

·         5a25c49ee4042_bn_1043bDSC_0540.jpg.a13a1e58d3a9b3c23f4086701c3ad850.jpgHere I am using a punch to rap the back and a small ball peen to hammer back the grommets.  I suppose there is a tool to do this job.  Maybe next time

·         bn_1043cDSC_0541.jpg.7ea9c31e75f12d8dd68323ce2d14be82.jpgHere is the completed clew and foot of the sail for lashing to the boom.

 

OK if you are following you realize I do not have this much detail on the mainsail [ which is already relashed to the boom] or Jumbo.   What to do? While thinking about that I decided to improve the bolt rope.  You may recall I used the 20 # hemp twine for color but never really liked it because it was too big.

 

·        5a25c49fefa66_bn_1043dDSC_0544.jpg.8c81623e101255c99bc718c35926e6d7.jpg Here I bought more hemp craft line in softer color. This is the 20 # weight and I am not going to use it either

·        5a25c4a086ef3_bn_1043eDSC_0545.jpg.943216af9c86304e0604998116f7f1c5.jpg Here is the 10# line also softer color, and I think one can see that it is too small.

·       5a25c4a11609d_bn_1043fDSC_0547.jpg.aa19d0a8b8397bc3a98fe11e28c05fc6.jpg  Finally..here is the 1mm tan line I have been using for halyards.  It really is virtually 1 inch diameter in scale and what I plan to use.  More to order... oh boy they love me

 

cheers 

 

jon 

Edited by Jond
Posted

Great detail Jon. I am really interested to see out how the sail turns out.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Posted

Making replacement foresail mid-point

 

I am part way through the tedious sewing on the bolt rope and looking to a few new steps.  This also rests those sore thumb joints a bit, gets more coffee, and brings me back to the hoops.

 

  • 5a280eff99643_bn_1042ahoopAAA_1298.thumb.jpg.f6e8e2d46e8c0305e533309ea76e8fec.jpgI include here this wonderful image under sail in full size
  • 5a280f0077bf8_bn_1042bhoopAAA_1298crop.thumb.jpg.75f0af38b6adb2d4a5dba98f3cd089e3.jpgHere is the cropped view showing two hoops.  Just  like the lazy jacks they used twisted wire.  Perhaps the original was line but maybe tarred.  Not sure but i think this means we go to black thread; but how to tie it?  if line tied is wire twisted. There are no good photos of this detail of the old one. 
  •  
  • Keith was nice enough above to send the text book.  It looks sensible in real size but gives me two knots to finish off.  I plan to practice a few since I need to make another batch of rings for my planned sailing mast.

 

The next pictures show the slippery slope I have entered. My rear admiral came along and said she wanted to try to do a better job sewing the seem lines to reduce if not eliminate the puckering.

  • 5a280f01206d0_bn_1043aAAA_1532.jpg.9cc2fc2eb90e6cbb6bf129d55721dfc0.jpgWhile she was away working, I foolishly raised the other two sails
  • 5a280f01accef_bn_1043bAAA_1533.jpg.2e1383c93adb6ae00b390639809f23df.jpgAfter she came back I was playing around and here is the new foresail if I show it raised……. what to do?..  do I remake everything?
  • 5a280f024a35f_bn_1043cAAA_1534.jpg.b099502c5d9b34ea452195d9e61a767f.jpgHere we are coming at you    how can I not do these sails raised?????
  • 5a280f02ec660_bn_1044aDSC_0171.jpg.30008e9fd19ccfa6295dc4a87f54115b.jpgHere is the sail peak detail. I do not agree with the block being on top, but I like the three holes and bale holding the sail and spliced down haul …
  • 5a280f0383610_bn_1044bDSC_0548.jpg.ada95157dbb5aa41a4f98db68ca74ecd.jpghere is the temporarily installed foresail peak....The sail is fine, but look at that gaff!!!!  The ugly side sheave that works, the end band and eye, the Bluenose ll black bridles [ I just realized Bluenose did not have bridles on the fore gaff, the blocks were strapped…. another oops as I just added them based on jensen drawings and BNll.   

I decided to remake my fore gaff to bring up the details and to demote this first spar to sailing status.  I think now it is inevitable that I must also change the main sail and that means a new main gaff too.

 

Some day I will take steps only forward

 

Cheers

Posted
Posted

Re rig sails to fore and main gaffs

 

I have gone around a few times trying to figure out what to model for the two gaffs.  This post is my decision making before I do something and move on.  The work is focused on the fore gaff that I have rebuilt along with a new sail.  Due to such few archive photos though, I would like to better understand both main and fore sails at the same time.  I find that Jensen drawings = BN ll, but the archive photos do not always agree.   I also believe the racing rig of say 1930 could have been slightly different from the 1940 long time fishing rig that I am favoring and finding documented.

 

In my last post I showed the four corners of the BN ll foresail and some progress.  I liked the details and basically used the reinforcing, grommets, strapped rings, reefing points and new roping to remake the sail.   Clearly the boom [ foot] is lashed tied and tails pulled through the lines. The three holes bored through the end of the two gaffs seems to have been carried over [ with my loose interpretation of the old photos.]

·         a.jpg.d20ad43e1ece05e67ae5fb361582328a.jpgHere is Nova Scotia BN archive’s best photo of the boom and gaff.  This shot and another one clearly shows some key items that I believe reflect ultimate rigging of the fishing Bluenose.  I make some cropped views below to rationalize some detail decisions

 

BN II used a bale in the gaff to hold the foresail peak [ recent posting]

·         5a314a8a350eb_bn_1045bDSC_0172.jpg.7a4fd803a43e94af248042a30b7eb304.jpgHere BN ll  lashed the peak to the gaff on the main sail and have bored four holes.

 

First let’s look at a little progress

·         5a314a8ad41b7_bn_1046aDSC_0549.jpg.5598c122cee2dd003a76f2f550898321.jpgHere is my new foresail clew and iron mongery.  see the attempted moused hook for the boom tackle.

·         5a314a8b6cf2c_bn_1046bDSC_0551.jpg.d22f7f29cb8b47e88da79026820f93e1.jpgHere is the new tack. note the use of black lines for the hoop ties. I cleaned up the boom cleat and that shall hold the down haul.

·         5a314a8c08a64_bn_1046cDSC_0552.jpg.ac0ac9a51e67c203a6f7e399c65ddf78.jpgHere is the new throat.   The shackle is not yet there.  I need to figure out lashing connection and holes through the jaws first.

·        5a314a8c902ea_bn_1046dDSC_0553.jpg.8064f612315614eeb5c88a2928beb8ae.jpg In this photo of the peak you can see I did the BN ll bale just to look at it, but I plan to change it to lashing.  You can also see the topsail sheet block attached to the side of the gaff and the white peak halyard blocks with galvanized rings directly on the gaff…there was apparently no bridle on the 1940 version.

 

Second let’s study old photos of the Nova Scotia BN archive

 

·         5a314a8d1ecf6_bn_1047ansarchivecropforgaffpeak.jpg.b9b9fa66212503bd86c5c567fb4d6624.jpgHere in a BN archive cropped shot, one sees two light colored lines running aft of the fore sail peak grommet [ ring].  I suspect they go through the holes in the gaff and thus sort of lash the sail less neatly than on BN ll . There is no bale.   Also, there seems to be a fore and aft top ring that must be holding the down haul at the end of the gaff among the coiled line. [ likely the stored down haul in the photo]. You also see the white peak halyard block attached directly to the gaff

·         5a314a8d9b541_bn_1047bNSarchivemainegaffdownhaualetc200330711.jpg.363fea3f55627e899e7a65ebb610c88a.jpg In this photo I cropped the best view of the end of the main gaff.  It looks quite like the fore and confirms the top sail sheet blocks were not on top as they have been rigged on BN ll.  

·        5a314a8e325fa_bn_1047cnsarchievemainegafftopsailsheetblock200330681.jpg.e5cbc94c5529d8385fe9428889ab154b.jpg In this cropped archive photo there is a white block suspended on a leather cap like other fishing schooners. It rides on the starboard side. I believe but do not yet know how but I read somewhere that these leather gloves held the block and could ride over and around when tacking. Anyway, my other schooners have the topsail sheet blocks rigged like this, so I am using this photo to set mine on the starboard side.

·        5a314a8ed0eb3_bn_1047d200330703.jpg.b0442c0804008899f55c85a39374c847.jpg Looking forward on the fore gaff and boom we see they are clean, no lazy jacks like BN ll

 

Lashing details on BN ll

 

·        5a314b01d398e_bn_1048aAAA_1193.thumb.jpg.abf4d7d906811d49347ff6e5a6bd6c71.jpg Here we already spoke about the boom lashing.  This is this BN ll detail with tails tucked that I have copied.  On the archive photo above the tails are left loose on the main, and I may do that if I rebuild that sail. One can also see the spiral lashing has a figure 8 knot holding it on top of the starboard jaw.   That works for me. 

·        5a314b027637c_bn_1048bDSC_0181.jpg.0b84de8e6bfc0afb071b979b622e6eb4.jpg Here in the end of the main gaff we see the knot and seizing detail of the lashing on port side. On the starboard side [ photo above] the lashing goes through a sail grommet before being tied off to port.   We also see very nice lashing of the peak from all three holes. 

·         5a314b032eee6_bn_1048cDSC_0278.jpg.611925ed50adf049c65eec27048b3696.jpgIn this cropped photo of the end of the fore gaff we see a similar detail of the end of the line tied off on the starboard side. The last line draped over the end is temporary line while sails are furled holding down the gaff.  It came off when sailing.

·         bn_1048dDSC_0306.jpg.1460e3de9fab725c544a8a6b5d9e7372.jpgHere is the main peak under sail.  Note the flag is added to the down haul that was slice through the end hole and dropped on both side rails while sailing.

·          5a314b053c0eb_bn_1048eAAA_1286foregaffendundersail.thumb.jpg.35050f53f2dc5d4948e9cc8d73733d96.jpgHere is the end of the fore gaff under sail. The down haul is single here.

 

So I may not be right but at least I have had fun trying to figure our how all this stuff works.  Now I just need to have the time to complete this step.

 

cheers

 

jon

 

 

 

Posted

Jon, I admire the pains you are going to to get the gaffs authentic.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted

Thanks Keith and Jeff

 

I have come to a resting point I think, as we approach the holiday break.   I went to our monthly Guild meeting this week, and many members agreed.  These huge models are too consuming, and the product is one that cannot travel or do much but take up too much time and space.  It is a wonderful learning process, as we can see the detail so much better; but maybe it's too much. I need to make simple boats large to sail and then smaller scale for all this detail and learning how the sails worked.

 

Yesterday, I just replaced the fore mast for the third time.  A few things broke, tiny pieces disappeared and needed remaking, and most lines needed untangling and fixing.  It was a full day to get it back to when it was before. And that is nice to be able to do but not practical.    I am thinking of slowing a bit on this build and stretching it out, so yes I eventually complete it but in the coming new year I can start new things. I love this model. Today I laid out three new sails, replacement jumbo and the jibs.   I am just not going to rush to get them done.

 

2018 planning

 

I want to build older 18th century schooners like Halifax using Hahn's books and to learn again how they sailed.  I bought a Halifax kit to play with first.  Then I want to learn plank on frame.  If I keep going backward on Bluenose, I just won't get there. 

 

I shall continue to plod along here part time.   There are  new sails to make , I may go back and redo the main.  I might furl is again and rig a storm sail and reef the foresail. I have to do the jumbo  as the attachment is cringles on the sail, rings on the shroud and continuous lashing.  also, I need to shrink the bolt rope and improve the three corner connections. I'll never be satisfied with the existing sails. Last winter I totally failed on dories and I need to do them again too. Then I want to rig them, so perhaps one is being launched. I made the hooks today. More importantly is a the 3/16” [1:64] scale Bluenose that belongs to my friend and is still in the shop on my main table.   We just met to review this winter and we agreed to rebuild all his deck furniture and add several lines that are not on the simple kit rigging. 

 

So to all  happy holiday.  I shall post more pictures as I get her cleaned up.

 

Cheers

Posted

A merry Christmas to you and yours Jon. I do get your reasoning on the future of this build. I keep thinking I need to get on to quite a few outstanding projects and that Altair is getting in the way. However I'm still thinking that the best way forward is to finish it, time will tell if I continue with this view.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted
Posted

Wrap up Bluenose for year end

 

In this post I just want to share a few items as I clean up and get ready to continue at slower pace as I begin a new area. 

·        5a3979789076b_bn_1049aBBB_1546.jpg.c10805f3aff559098b8b5c032181735a.jpg Here we have remade the foresail and gaff and got them reinstalled. This was a full eight hours due to many issues I spoke of before.

·        5a39797f83828_bn_1049bBBB_1547.jpg.7ff1ef443a44af31cd87a62d860a6184.jpg Here she is sort of coming at you.  Unfortunately it is easy to see the wrinkled jumbo which will be replaces and up graded.  The main is wrinkled because it was furled.  Not sure what to do there.  They have photos of Bluenose sailing with only the main but never with the main furled.  Someday next year we shall replace it or furl it up and add a storm sail

·         bn_1049cBBB_1548.thumb.jpg.01e538cc2196b60b8845ac412328e207.jpgHere is full shot of the new sail and new rigging. It is a medium file size so can blow up to better see details

·         5a3979e7cd567_bn_1050aBBB_1545.jpg.f201d455794c12bd8e85e1eea5d4afea.jpgOne of the fun things is I used 1 mm halyards and ran enough to raise using the winch.  Here once we raise the sail the coils become huge

·         5a3979ea2c3b1_bn_1050bDSC_0536.jpg.843641f2f0fe9469333845b3ddc55eee.jpgHere you so two halyards looking forward from port side.

 

 

So what’s next

 

 

A  The list to finish is long , I will stretch it out a bit, but here are some items that I shall plod on with and update next year:

1.       I have the next three sails under way, jumbo jib and jib topsail.  They get chain sheets and things and will be fun to rig.

2.       Top sails...

3.       Fisherman sail

4.       Dory rigging under way: hooks made and ready to rig lines

5.       Oil barrels and one more wooden barrel forward.  I want to learn what it was for too

6.       Remake mainsail and gaff

7.       Remake all dories and fit them out.

8.       Decide if I am not going to dissemble to move, tighten up and coil all lines.

9.       Make flags

10.   Make people….currently have stiff railroad figures. I would like to learn to make figures doing things

11.   Consider changing out sailing turnbuckles for more realistic look.   Currently have that standard issue of getting shrouds to stay tight.  

12.   Possible...........Make sailing mast and spars.  I am drifting away from sailing again

 

 

B  help my friend continue his restoration of his wife’s 1960 ish Bluenose model

·         5a3979efa6ee2_bn_1051BBB_1544.jpg.82b054874ba58caa02430df5383ddc4c.jpgHere in the photo you can that she rests on the shop rigging table.  We plan to upgrade his deck furniture and add lines like back stays, dories and their rigging etc.  we also tell a few stories when he visits.

 

 

C. next build.   I shall start a series of builds of 18th century new England [ + nova scotia] schooners.  Again, I want to learn how they sailed. I ‘ll start with some kit bashing then eventually get to plank on frame. 

 

Happy holidays

Jon

Posted

Jon, 

 

A fairly long to do list. Should keep you going for a while. 

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted
On 12/16/2017 at 2:31 PM, Jond said:

I have come to a resting point I think, as we approach the holiday break.   I went to our monthly Guild meeting this week, and many members agreed.  These huge models are too consuming, and the product is one that cannot travel or do much but take up too much time and space.  It is a wonderful learning process, as we can see the detail so much better; but maybe it's too much. I need to make simple boats large to sail and then smaller scale for all this detail and learning how the sails worked.

Jond I enjoy reading your comments about all the rigging details, and about working in the larger scale, but you raise a good point about travel and space. As you point out it is fun having it all work properly but the amount of effort is greatly increased. I think that for sailing models the larger scale is good on small simple boats but gets exponentially more complex on larger vessels.

 

A merry Christmas to you and your family.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

  • 2 months later...
Posted (edited)

As winter moves along in it's slow pace, we have divided our work into several areas.  Finally as planned, I am able to come around and work slowing on getting things further wrapped up.  I have a chance to show off in late July so there is now some pressure.  Fortunately that crowd is more about real boating and not modelling, so i should do just fine.  One requirement though will definitely be to have more sails.

 

As planned I have started two kit bashing exercises on 18th century schooners.  I will start a log there too one of these days, as soon as I figure out where I am going with it. I also keep looking at Charles Notman that needs more work too, as do the sailing one designs that need to be in the water in late June

 

Bluenose, I have the following update:

  • 5a96d96fc377c_bn_1052DSC_0554.thumb.jpg.0d148e079bdb9f1e766663412596912f.jpg
  • here is an image showing the corrected peak halyard without a bridle and the lacing of the sail.  I add this as it shows the job facing me on more sails.  I may compromise a bit......yes i should have soldered the ring!
  • 5a96d97183593_bn_1053BBB_1603.thumb.jpg.a732ce287d84860330de5abeee018f28.jpg
  • Here i have remade the fore sails .  One of them twice as I scorched with the iron trying to get the blue desolvable ink out.  My rear admiral took over the iron so the two jibs are fine
  • 5a96d97299b5d_bn_1054DSC_0557.thumb.jpg.d36f928c307fe8260d4ab7baf50ccbfd.jpg
  • here I have cut out and blackened my first attempt of making the dory hooks. Some times trying to use up things in the shop helps , here i think  they did not come out too well.   maybe with some grinding.....we'll see this may be compromise one.
  • 5a96d9745a9ca_bn_1055aBBB_1604.thumb.jpg.68711685fd29ed8aa6fca5feacea0101.jpgFinally I have set the patterns for the ratlines.  I have great photos of the Bluenose ll so I can see which few change to slats etc. I have also redone all the chain plate connections that were removed a few times.
  • 5a96d97f671b6_bn1055bDSC_0595.thumb.jpg.94f7795fc53091a1642e2364237ca648.jpg
  • here I am debating line weights and knots.  The aft connection is a splice into a wrap holding a ring on the shroud; the center a clear clove hitch; and the forward another spliced connection. This is definitely an area for compromises. I shall attempt to make ' beckets' spliced at each end and hitched in the center, but maybe not 175 plus of them. they all have to be perfect lengths.   I will do several with the lighter line and see how they look but assume knots and imagination will work here.

cheers for now

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Jond

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