harvey1847 Posted December 17, 2013 Author #121 Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) HO HO HO ! Here in Spain till December 22th – with the lottery day- we don´t “start” Christmas time, at least me, but anyway Happy Days to All!!. (I hate Christmas) The Triton is growing and growing. I am having lots of fun with the interior works but the lower deck clamp has being feeling kind of pain in the neck. ¡’?·”@... cut the pattern, cut it, sand it, boiled it, let it dry, boiled again, clamp it… anyway four more pieces to go… I made some clamps like Ed. I couldn´t find the screws and stuff Ed used to do his clamps but these work just right. They are not so fancy but I´m proud of them. My intention is to make kind of a cross section amidships (thanks Rusty) and let a lot of spaces around to see the Structure, the ribs, the frames… We´ll see. Here´s a pdf of the scarf for the thick stuff I am using in this kind of cross section. The scarf in the middle of the timber is being simulated with a blade and a pencil. to be edit- Right now I am working with the pump box (cad) cause is the next part I´ll do after the f deck clamp. The plant plan and the sheer plan are not aligned so I guess I´ll have to make a shortcut to somewhere… Back to the workshop! Daniel. Edited December 17, 2013 by harvey1847 Pete38, WackoWolf and mtaylor 3 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
harvey1847 Posted December 18, 2013 Author #122 Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Hello all! Wacko, excellent job with the solidwork you´re doing. I will try in 2014 to learn about that beatiful program. The things you guys do with it are amazing. Till then I´ll continue working on 2D with Acad 2011. Here´s the pdf file about the pump box and the shot locker. If any one wants the whole file in cad PM me and I´ll send it to you. It weights more than 2MB...(mainly because the subjacent pdf´s files or images inserted on the drawing) pumb box.pdf Merit Chrirristmaxs! Daniel. Edited March 3, 2014 by harvey1847 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
harvey1847 Posted December 18, 2013 Author #123 Posted December 18, 2013 Good night! A small update. Just two pics. One about the lower deck clamp and the other about the thick stuff amidship. Best wishes and happy happy days! Daniel. AnobiumPunctatum and mtaylor 2 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
the learner Posted December 20, 2013 #124 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Nice clamps! when do you pull the patterns off the frames? I am going on a short cruise to Hawaii and back soon so will be taking some frames to assemble with me, I have already cut out the pieces, its just a matter of gluing them to the frame pattern...about 18 frames, should keep me busy for a couple of days. I have a lot of small clamps but want to try and fabricate some that Ed Toshi did for his Naiaid whic I do not have The short cruise was 15 days, great relaxation!! Edited March 5, 2014 by the learner Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
harvey1847 Posted December 20, 2013 Author #125 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Hey Guy and Christian! Guy, I leave the timber at least 12 hours or more... with so many clamps I can be moving on and glue at least 3 timbers (my best goal). I tried once to remove a "wood pattern" after 6 hours and it just suddenly poped out. I glue the pattern while it is wet from the boiling process and I guess that this moist timber melts the PVA... that´s why I leave it at least 12 hours, most of the times is one entire day, meanwhile I move to other things. Hope this helps. What about some pics of your Triton??. Best thing about Ed´s clamps are the "hand washers". I could not find that stuff here in Madrid so I made a shortcut. I asure you that they just work. The important thing is to put that round piece (mine´s are square) on one of the wood piece of the clamp. Christian, hope work is treating you well... Happy days both and all of you!! Daniel. Edited December 20, 2013 by harvey1847 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
AnobiumPunctatum Posted December 21, 2013 #126 Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Hi Daniel, everything works well. My drawings for the Alert are nearly finshed and I started the build yesterday. My next drawing project will be HMS Triton with single frames. But now I am happy that I can work with timber again. Edited December 21, 2013 by AnobiumPunctatum harvey1847 1 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
harvey1847 Posted December 29, 2013 Author #127 Posted December 29, 2013 Hello All! Hope you are having nice days… I am dealing with the fore platform. I did the aft one using the method of doing it backwards. I am building the fore one seeing the whole piece from above. It has been easier for me because I can actually see all the joints and I have been able to clean them with a wet brush the excess of glue. Like the aft plat… The number of parts involve are amazing…: 6 beams, 16 ledges, 54 carlings, 10 Knees, and 29 mortises on the beams, 20 on the Knees, 54 on the ledges… I cannot imagine how many pieces and mortises are going to have the lower deck or the gun deck. First I glue the beams with a small amount of glue at the ends of the beams to the plan. I mark the scarfs of the ledges. I mark the center line with a blade and a pencil (I use a rubber to remove the excess of “pencil” I just one a sharp black line on the beam). I remove the beams and cut the scarfs with an x-acto blade. I have printed another plan for the next stage. Second, after gluing again the beams I set the lodging knees in between them. Naming the different pieces it is crucial. It was a quite tedious,,, sanding and trying, sanding again and put them together against the beams. The disc sander was pretty useful. I glue the knees with a small amount of glue and finally I mark the scarfs with a pencil on all the Knees and the ledges for the carlings following the plan. Third, I cut the ledges using a blade and set them all together, not glued yet. You can either go in one way or another but I started making the scarfs on the ledges. Once the scarfs were all completed I started to glue them to the beams using spacers (0.05mm timber) to ensure the ledge it´s leveled. I put a plastic sheet underneath in order to remove the excess of PVA and not glue the thing to the paper plan. Remember that I am doing it from above… Fourth, I cut the carlings using a blade. I am not using spacers but cutting the carling slightly inclinated in the “Z” axis and with some tweezers I glued it with no problem at all. The Fifth stage will be to print out another plan and by using spacers glue the beams to the knees. The different in height is about 1mm. I have measure it with a caliper. At the same time I am gluing the thick stuff and put in together the lower deck clamp. Best wishes and Happy Happy New Year to all of you!! Daniel (and forget about modelling!! at least for two days...) mtaylor, Pete38, egen and 1 other 4 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
kellrandy Posted January 1, 2014 #128 Posted January 1, 2014 Looking very nice Daniel and I love your little clamps. Might have to make a set those myself, that is when I figure out my plan issue.
harvey1847 Posted January 2, 2014 Author #129 Posted January 2, 2014 Hello! No kids around for one entire day… they are at my mum´s house and the Admiral reading… Peace on earth and much more time to spend modelling! I have glued together all the pieces of the fore platform. I am quite happy with the result. I still have to sand it and clean it a little bit. I´ll do it this afternoon. No literature, just a bunch of pics. Happy day! Daniel. mtaylor, sonicmcdude, Pete38 and 1 other 4 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
harvey1847 Posted January 3, 2014 Author #130 Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) Hello hello! Looks like with this brand new year a few people is getting back to the full model practicum… Randall, Guy, Richard… Just a little thought. Making the frames and gluing them was pretty tedious. Once the hull is done the complex of the work ahead goes higher and higher meaning more and more fun… You can move on more different thinks. You can start with the keelson, the limber strake, the thick stuff, the platforms, the deck clamps,,, you can start measuring the plans and making little structures inside… And you can move from one work to another. Sometimes I spend the day at the living room just making scarfs on the beams or on the ledges and the workshop is close. So I encourage all of you to complete the milestone of completing the hull. The shape and the size of her are really nice. Anyway… Here´s the result of the fore plat and the work done so far. I love pics not like you guys with all that words and literaure...! pics, pics we love pics! come On!! I could not resist taking these shots of all the platforms done so far… Are all set but I have to finish the hawse pieces first, the L.D. clamp and faired the exterior. Richard, I recommend you to finish the hawse frames, you might become lazy like it has happened to me. It´s a quite tricky piece to do. Indeed, after writing this, this morning, I have started the left piece on the portside… ... Best wishes! Daniel. Edited January 3, 2014 by harvey1847 Pete38, sonicmcdude, WackoWolf and 1 other 4 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
SaturnV Posted January 3, 2014 #131 Posted January 3, 2014 You are progressing rapidly Daniel! Nice work. I will be doing as you said - finish the hull before moving into the interior. The construction of the hawse pieces creates a lot of flying sawdust so I have to do the sanding outside. However, it is going to be cold this weekend here in Colorado so I may put the Triton aside and build something else. I have a couple of small models that need building and this might be the time to do them. If not, I will work on the aft cant frames. They are sanded and ready to glue in place. Decisions, decisions..... Richard harvey1847 1
the learner Posted January 3, 2014 #132 Posted January 3, 2014 nice progress, joints are looking tight and all beams seem to be in the correct alignment for the plans on the fore platform. still travening east bound one day out of Los Angeles, be good to get back home after being out to see for the last 15days Guy Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
harvey1847 Posted January 3, 2014 Author #133 Posted January 3, 2014 Hola Hola! I have glued the hawse pieces today plus two or three timbers today here are the pics. I have spent like two hours, mainly to let dry the pieces. Meanwhile I have moved to other stages I´ll explain later on. Richard! I do understand you but If you start another thing, yes or yes is going to rest you time from the Triton. Believe me that once the hull is complete the Fun starts Again. Like Remco says “Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime.” I have kit models of airplanes on their own boxes which my kids probably will inherit. They were kind of a temptation to me once but not anymore with the hull “finish”. I write this with total respect. All of us are free to move to whatever we like to do. Best wishes. Daniel. sonicmcdude and WackoWolf 2 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
harvey1847 Posted January 4, 2014 Author #134 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Hello All and Happy January 4th…! Here is the work done so far today. The mighty hawse frames, I have omitted all the process cause I thing it has been already explained. and I have a big question… First the bunch of pics about the hawses: (sorry about my nails, so much dust around...) And I have a question to all of you. Do you thing this kind of ships use to have a hold like in the HMS Victory for example? The hold looks pretty “empty” without those platforms on each side. I´ll be waiting for your answers. And again happy January 4th or 5th!! Daniel. Edited January 4, 2014 by harvey1847 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
wangshuoliurui Posted January 5, 2014 #135 Posted January 5, 2014 Hello All! I have finished the drafting of the lower deck. I´ve used AOS HMS Diana to “inspire” me. I have done two versions, one with carlings in the middle of the horizontal axis (“X”) and another one with none. I think It looks stronger the V_01 version. I guess would be easier to do version two with no ledges in the middle. Do not know what to do. What do you think?! The pdf´s are non-scaled. When I´ll take the decision I´ll attach them on 1:48 as I did before with the fore and aft plattforms. I have omitted all the cabins. I´ll draw them this weekend. I was much more excited about the structure of the deck than the final fittings. That´s why I have not detailed the hatches frames or the ladderways. lower deck V_02_ok.pdf Waiting for your answers or suggestions,,, Daniel. great work!
wangshuoliurui Posted January 5, 2014 #136 Posted January 5, 2014 Hello and happy Monday! (Written in the morning) After finishing the aft platform for the fish and the spirituous drinks I am moving to do the magazine. I have been thinking a lot during the construction of this platform. With all that amount of pieces and mortises to be done I´m going to “cut” a little bit the project cause I´m not sure if I´ll end it in 2018… Anyway I have redone the magazine plan this morning. The big difference is that I have divided the magazine boxes in four instead of five. I am not sure if I am going to make the cabins so I´ll attach two plans, one with the structure and the other with the beams and the plant of the cabins… I´m much more interested in the structure than the inner rooms. Here is the pdf´s. .- no cabins: Decks_fore_popa_plattform_V02_ok.pdf .- with cabins: Decks_fore_popa_plattform_V02__cabin_ok.pdf Joss here´s the pic about those tricky pieces of the LwDeck clamps. They have been unglued for almost a week and they have held the shape. DSC06221.JPG DSC06222.JPG Monday bloody afternoon Monday! (U2) could be a version..)) Afternoon, I have finished the platform. The result is totally awful on the joints. A disaster. I will repeat the whole piece. Will not work again with that backward method. What works for someone does not always work for everyone. You go totally blind on the visible side. That´s it. That´s the question. To be or not to be… Three days to the trash bin. I want to see the glue going into the carlings and them going into the ledges and the ledges into the beams. Anyway here´s the pics... DSC06212.JPG DSC06213.JPG DSC06219.JPG DSC06217.JPG DSC06218.JPG DSC06223.JPG I´ll go this way. mortices in a 3x2mm sq timber can be done and I wil work seeing the whole piece from above. Daniel. Saw your the updates, I want to immediately remaking the Triton!GREAT!
harvey1847 Posted January 5, 2014 Author #137 Posted January 5, 2014 Thanks Wang!! I Know is kind of hard to open a new log and put the pics and write in English... BUT... Why you don´t start a new log here in MSW.2.0? Your tips and skills about modelling would be really apreciated Wang! Let´s see how goes 2014... Still 360 days ahead! Best wishes! daniel. WackoWolf and wangshuoliurui 2 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
WackoWolf Posted January 5, 2014 #138 Posted January 5, 2014 Would be very nice to be able to see his skills. I second that. Wang try and put up a log here so that we can see how you are doing things, and maybe we can learn from you. harvey1847 and wangshuoliurui 2 Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
harvey1847 Posted January 6, 2014 Author #139 Posted January 6, 2014 Hello! I hope the Three Wise Men have given you lots of presents. I have none just coal… Here are the pics of the hawse timbers glued plus the stemson. Once I finished this I moved to the stern to put this little piece that I do not know how to call. It surely strengths the fashion timbers. It´s not glue yet only set because I have to sand it a little bit. Three pieces more to go with the lower deck clamp. In fact while uploading this I am boiling one of them to glue it in place. Best wishes to all! Daniel. Pete38 and mtaylor 2 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
AnobiumPunctatum Posted January 6, 2014 #140 Posted January 6, 2014 Looking great, Daniel Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
harvey1847 Posted January 9, 2014 Author #141 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Hello All! Thanks Wacko, Christian and Wang! (Wang you have to start another log here, you have a lot of followers...come on, come on...) Not an update but three pics three of my brand new drawplate!!! I got some extra money these days and I made my mind and I finally bought it yesterday. I got it from a jeweler supplier shop. Is here in Madrid. Cannot wait to use it. It cost me 54.26€ aouch!! #1 is 2mm and #10 is 1mm... Happy modelling! Daniel. Edited January 9, 2014 by harvey1847 mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
harvey1847 Posted January 11, 2014 Author #142 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Hello and Hola! I have not try the drawplate. I was tempted but I prefer to complete the lower deck clamp and move on. Beside I have to screw the clamp to the table and I need that space on the table for the sand disc machine. Any way here are some pics. Without a doubt It has been the worst piece I have had to do. More difficult than the hawse pieces or the stern cant frames. The clamp is really thick and I have been boiling the different pieces, one every single day. Glue it while “fresh” and let it dry for at least 24 hours… The Admiral was starting to look at me kind of weird… Those "poles" to keep the piece in place are bamboo sticks, pretty cheap and disposables. I will spend next week sand the exterior of the hull and cleaning all the patterns. Wish me luck!! Daniel. Edited January 11, 2014 by harvey1847 Pete38, WackoWolf, sport29652 and 2 others 5 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
WackoWolf Posted January 11, 2014 #143 Posted January 11, 2014 You have proven that taking you time pays off big time. Excellent work. Keep the pictures and post coming. harvey1847 1 Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
the learner Posted January 13, 2014 #144 Posted January 13, 2014 The new drawplate will last you a life time and well worth the cost The Build is comming along nicely Guy harvey1847 1 Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
harvey1847 Posted January 13, 2014 Author #145 Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Hello hello and happy 352 days ahead!! Thanks Guy I hope so... Finally I have glued the double ribbands to the ends of the frames. The hull feels now like a complete piece of cherry wood. Sure I’m going to be able to sand it properly. Before, the whole thing felt kind of weak but now with those momentary 4x4 beams … wow… It is robustly. Here we go... Now the scary thing… Sand it. Before to glue the 4x4 beams I just checked the level of both lower deck clamps and surprising to me they are leveled! ... Three points for me !!! Best wishes! (To me and the Triton) Daniel. Edited January 13, 2014 by harvey1847 Pete38, Mike 41, sport29652 and 3 others 6 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
Bugra Posted January 13, 2014 #146 Posted January 13, 2014 Hey Daniel, she looks amazing. Congratulations! And, sanding is a fun(!) stuff Good luck with that! Cheers, Bugra. harvey1847 1 There is nothing that a little sanding can't solve.. Bugra. Current Builds : H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Bugra - 1/48 Turkish Traditional Ship - Surmene Takasi by Bugra - 1:35
Pete38 Posted January 14, 2014 #147 Posted January 14, 2014 Really llike the full hull shot and also the inside. It is amazing how a little "or a lot" of sanding can change how the ship looks. harvey1847 1 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
sport29652 Posted January 14, 2014 #148 Posted January 14, 2014 Daniel your build looks great ! Your progress is insparational ! Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
harvey1847 Posted January 19, 2014 Author #149 Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Hello All! Just missing you guys,,, I have been sanding and sanding and there is a lot more or dust ahead. I am taking my time with this “crucial task” It´s quite easy to ruin the work done so far being impatience. Sometime one feels like walking on the edge using that mini hand sander. Here are some pics. Edited July 18, 2014 by harvey1847 Pete38, Mike 41 and mtaylor 3 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
sport29652 Posted January 19, 2014 #150 Posted January 19, 2014 Daniel, your build is amazing. Keep up the great work and keep the pictures coming ! Eric harvey1847 1 Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time."
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