DAUPHIN ROYAL 1668 by Heinrich der Seefahrer - 1/36 - Transom and side gallery model

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Hello friends,

 

the second and less documentation equipped ship of the late 60th (XVIIth century) than the several SOLEIL ROYALs and ROYAL LOUISes is the other "1eme rang extraordinaire" battelship of the sunkings navy - Le DAUPHIN ROYAL build in 1668. Unable to find further more tan numeric data about hull, even some scetch of the figure head or anyother meaningfull  view I decided to start a third drawing, construction and building threat. As she will base on a wooden hull the eord WOOD in the title isn't a complete porky-py. 

I felt in love to her opulent decor and castlelike design as the oval windows in the side gallerys attic. She also has six widowed tiers - an unicum in the naval shipbuilding design.

We have one

 

cintemporary pencil and wash drawing and a based on this

Nucly colored drawing -  I do estimate it from the late 60th tio the early 70th of the XX.century as time of birth. (The kings cote of arms with its thre lyses was missly interpreted as a face at the middel balkony!)

I do like the coloured version but do miss the colourfull spots of the ordre chained framed cote of arms and the colourfull

St.Michel on blach silk ribbon  and

 

Superior Orde de Saint Esprite on its sky blue ribbon band. As you can see the decor reassembled as the used ellemente reappear.

 

 

My idea to imitate the Molierre silk ribbon band is to mask a matt colour surface

and spray a part in silkmatt ("seidenmatt").

Also the cote of arms of the DAUPHIN are not correctly reassembled and the deep showing shadowing disappeared by transferring to the coloured parts. The decks are wrongly s traight flat and so I decided co take the scale as from the enlarged b/w copy to some 1/36 at a good 400mm breadth. This will be brought to the right scale oowhenf 1/36 (or 1/24?) when the drawing work is completed. This project serves to collect ideas anahowd workingbsolutions how to assemble a pile of decor and balkonies for the other projects bound at the Heller-SOLEIL ROYAL hull - also several designs shall be tested in a semi small miniaturisation.

 

Here my copy in ~1/36 for the transparent papers drawings. And reconstruction of the side gallerys. 

All is a spinn off of the Heller hull based projects RL-1668 and SP-1693.

 

Also here will be a huge ammount of drawing and guessing in tje beginning. The history of the last opulent decorated ship under LeBruns and Pigets building direction before SR-1670 will come to you in the next article as it is nearly 2 o'clock in the morning oof a labourfull Friday.

 

Hope you like this troika.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Here the Rochefort DAUPHIN ROYALE of 1668 models pictures:

 

 

I'm a bit astonished about the side gallery - there is no fist third if and eightsided turret as we would espect from the

transoms drawing...

here the seperated laterns on the turret roofs top are better to see.

So the Rochefortmodel might a rebuilded later appearance of the hull?

 

The cote of arms is

 

here in baroque luxuarity

 

So a little bit of progress was made also in here.

 

Hope you like it...

 

Stay shipmodelling, guys!

 

 

[druxey]

Is the Dauphin Royale model of 1688, misidentified? The style looks to be of a later date. It does not even have a flat stern (transom).

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Ues it looks like this it might be a later rebuild (not the right literature at hand) of the 1668 DR but it is definetly an other transom.

 

The coloured drawing is full of errors - the cote of arms of the Dauphine was "simplified" into a simple face.

 

If you sroll upwards you will see tha the coloured CoA is here with a simplified necklage if you compare with the books frontage printing in gold - the crown is not as detailed as on the red leather.

 

 

The nice artwork on the balconies was changed to something rude... looking like letters or something else that is uninterpretable. The colouring is nice but I think the figures were not pained in skincolour but golden... or as at SR1689 in an as expensive blue from lapis latsuli. 

 

Beside this the knight ordes necklages must be different between those around thekings and the dauphin's one - as the king was the founder.  So the necklages will have to be made with high precession and also in the same moment had to look like craved from wood and painted. 

But the do give the golden balkonies some very colourful spots in the fine structured golden railguards. And I have to admit that I do not like the kings cote of arms blue - it looks likes some cheap textmarker! 

 

Ii didn'thave started some drawings of DR1668 but I think beside SP she is the most interesting project and due to her transoms immense size (the waterlinemodel of the transom will  be some yard high!) a good training ground totoandr the baroque transom at all and boot camp for some worktechnical testings in particular.

 

 

 

 

[Jaager]

About the hull -  the basic method -  explained in Deane's Doctrine - involves the heavy use of arcs. Because pieces of circles make up the cross sections and transitions between them to try to get a reasonable run along the hull make up the waterlines, there is a basic sameness in the shape below the main wale.  If you can get lines for a ship about the same age and size, they can be scale adjusted to the beam, depth, and length to your ship. The result would likely be "close enough for government work".

[paulsutcliffe]

I'm with druxey, The lower ports don't match either ( four on drawings against two on the model), curved mouldings in the First balcony are not on the model either that I can see

Regards

Paul

[Hubac's Historian]

Tony Devroude is building a very well-researched and beautifully developed full-frame model of the DR, for which he has written a two-part article in the Nautical Research Journal.  He is building this earliest version, as well.  The articles are informative of his research and his process of developing a workable hull plan that looks every bit the part of a first-rate of the First Marine.  I will send you a copy of the articles.

 

The model you are picturing, though is not the DR.  Based on it’s structure and ornamentation, it would be a ship from somewhere in the 1720s.  There is a large model of another Dauphin Royal, at Rochefort from the 1720s, but it bears no resemblance to the DR of 1668.

 

Anyway, this is an interesting instructional model, and I will gladly follow along on this one, as well.

[Hubac's Historian]

Here is the model of the DR of 1735/36, which resides at Rochefort, and is often mis-identified as the DR of 1668:

Certainly a spectacular ship, but one of a later epoch.

Edited July 20, 2019 by Hubac's Historian

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Ahhh yes that is a very interestin point, guys!!

 

The most distinguishing feature are the FIVE lamps - te last two on the littel turret roofs of the side galerys tree above the couronnament. So an misinterpretation of the 1669 as the 1723 version is nearly not impossible. (its a bit like the OLYMPIC class beinf cusfused with the theren KAISER WILHELM DER GROSSE four funnel greyhounds of the atlantic - if you have figured out the bigger gap between the 2nd and 3rd funnel so it is no doubt any longer!) And in our 350 year older case -  the very simpelest part that makes the 1735 standing appart from the 1667 precedessor is the complete absence of any columns in transom and side galerys also if there are no lamps laced on the model or plans drawing.

 

The transom of the 1667 DR is a classical pice of early Louis XIV. style - while the 1735 comes very much closer to the heavier high baroque and in first sebtences into the very early rokkoko. There is one russian set of plans that is wrongly named - so search for the five lamps, columns and if the are not in your plan it is not the 1667 DAUPHIN ROYAL it may be some later refit due to the very heavy wight of the oak decoration.

 

From time to time I'll pass by here and add some (electron)microscopic progress - sorry for this but I do have to focus myself.

 

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