flying_dutchman2 Posted August 8, 2020 Author #241 Posted August 8, 2020 Thanks for the comments. We've had a pretty wet July and that is why the grass is green and growing fast. Usually around this time of the year it is pretty much straw colored and dormant. After this sanding it is starting to look like a Fluit. I am not very happy with the hips. They should be more rounded. My next fluit will have rounder hips. That fluit will be a whaler. Marcus G.L. and Louie da fly 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 15, 2020 Author #242 Posted August 15, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. Installed 2 thin strakes of 5mm wide cherry planks above the upper wale. I am using narrow planks because the contour of this part of the hull curves inwards on the left and right and outwards on the up and down. Once they are glued on two, 2mm narrow straks (wales) will be installed and from there on clinker built planking wall going all the way up. Marcus mtaylor and G.L. 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 17, 2020 Author #243 Posted August 17, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. Made a minor mistake on the hull planking towards the stern. The strakes on each side of the hull did not meet equally going towards the stern. So I removed 4 strakes with a chisel, sanded the rest of the area and reinstalled the first new strake. Marcus G.L., Louie da fly and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 22, 2020 Author #244 Posted August 22, 2020 After installing the 2nd strake I noticed that I was off again just like the first time I planked that area. After much measuring different areas and comparing the left hip to the right hip I noticed that the left hip (when facing the stern) is slightly more rounded than the right hip. I will need to put a steeler between these planks. It won't show as much as a carving will be placed their. I know that the last view posts weren't that exiting, but they were necessary. Marcus G.L., mtaylor, Louie da fly and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 27, 2020 Author #245 Posted August 27, 2020 Thanks for all the likes. Her hull has been evenly sanded. Next I will sand the inside. This has to be even as I need to install an inside wall. I will do this with a belt sander which is has a belt that is 1/2" W and 18" long. This item has been very handy since building the Zeehaen. Marcus Archi, mtaylor, Baker and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted August 29, 2020 #246 Posted August 29, 2020 That makes a huge difference. Starting to look really good! mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 8, 2020 Author #247 Posted September 8, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. Started back on the Fluit after lots of garden work, redoing some perennial plant beds. All that is left is harvesting the last of the food and put everything to bed. After much sanding started on the third layer of the wales. The planks are 2.5mm thick and 6mm wide. There will be a total of 6 on each side. The last one which is towards the top is 2mm x 2mm. There will be two of these side by side Marcus mtaylor, G.L. and Louie da fly 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 11, 2020 Author #248 Posted September 11, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. As I mentioned before the wales are 2.5mm thick and 6mm wide. The planks have been soaking in plain water for about 4 weeks. I soak all my wood a long time especially with building the Fluit. I made small indentations in tbe stem of the bow and stern. The plank for the wale will be pushed into it. I than slowly bend the planks by pushing with my fingers to the contour of the hull. At the same time I make small pilot holes and use pushpins to hold the we on the hull. Initially I make scarph joints for every plank. Once set, I will add more. The holes from the pushpins become holes for half round headed black stainless steel pins imitating the heavy nails used to hold the wales on the hull. Marcus YankeeD, mtaylor, amazone and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted September 15, 2020 #249 Posted September 15, 2020 Marcus, not sure if it's just the photo, but in the third last pic above the topmost wales port and starboard seem to be aligned differently. I don't know if this is a problem. Other than that the wales look very good. mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 15, 2020 Author #250 Posted September 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Louie da fly said: Marcus, not sure if it's just the photo, but in the third last pic above the topmost wales port and starboard seem to be aligned differently. I don't know if this is a problem. Other than that the wales look very good. Thanks for the compliment and they are. I started out wrong and by layering the wood slowly adjusting them to get it straight. I thought of a tear down and redoing this but that meant removing a significant amount of wood and than I might as well starting from step one. There are so many mistakes I made on this ship that I see this as an exercise towards another Fluit. On modelbouwforum.nl there is a guy, handle name amazone, and he has built several Fluits. He mentioned that the Zeehaen is one of the most difficult to built. He tried twice and they both ended in the trash. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted September 15, 2020 #251 Posted September 15, 2020 Understood. Just put it down to experience for next time. 5 minutes ago, flying_dutchman2 said: Zeehaen is one of the most difficult to built. He tried twice and they both ended in the trash. Well at least you didn't have to do that. I'm not sure I'd be willing to take on a fluit - so complex! flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 16, 2020 Author #252 Posted September 16, 2020 Wales have been glued on and scarph joints have been created. Made some pilot holes with an awl and will drill them a bit bigger so a black pin will fit into the hole. Planking the sides above the wales and eventually paint it green. All colors for the Fluit will be paints that existed in the 17th century. Marcus YankeeD, firdajan, G.L. and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Boxbuilds Posted October 1, 2020 #253 Posted October 1, 2020 This is sooo much more complicated than many builds. The complicated wood manipulation is commendable. ......and a good lesson for many of us. I've run into a few types of these complications but for them all to converge in one build is mind boggling. flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: Great Harry, restoration On hold: Soliel Royale, Mantua Completed: Bluenose ll, Artesania Latina San Francisco ll, Artesania Latina Chris Craft barrel back triple cockpit, Dumas Chris Craft 1940 double cockpit, Dumas Santa Maria, Artesania Latina 1901 Scow Schooner, scratch built Hannah, Continental Navy, scratch built Candelaria bomb ship, OcCre Pride of Baltimore, Model Shipways 17 foot Chesapeake kayak (2, one scratch), Midwest USN Picket Boat #1, Model Shipways Kobuksan, Turtle Korean ironclad, YoungModeler HMS Revenge, scratch NY Pilot Boat, kit bashed, Model Shipways USS Monitor, scratch Nuestra Senora de Afortunado, 1926 Popular Science plan, Resoration Martha, CBMM, Puddle Jumper, scratch stern wheeler Lady Sarah, kit bashed Constructo Victorian launch
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 1, 2020 Author #254 Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Boxbuilds said: This is sooo much more complicated than many builds. The complicated wood manipulation is commendable. ......and a good lesson for many of us. I've run into a few types of these complications but for them all to converge in one build is mind boggling. Thank you very much for the compliment. A Fluit is one of the most difficult ships to build. I've always loved her shape and always wanted to build one. But I had to built other ships to get ready for this one. I soak the walnut an cherry for several weeks and the planks become very playable. I also use many thin planks and layer them together to get a thick wale. The planking of the hull is the most difficult part of the built. You can read about some of the mistakes I made which Ab Hoving has mentioned and I redid it as he suggested. Ab has built several Fluits so I consider him to be an expert. Also there is a Dutch forum (modelbouwforum.nl) where several members have built fluits and they have been a great help. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Boxbuilds Posted October 3, 2020 #255 Posted October 3, 2020 And now, you are also an expert as we can see. mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote Current build: Great Harry, restoration On hold: Soliel Royale, Mantua Completed: Bluenose ll, Artesania Latina San Francisco ll, Artesania Latina Chris Craft barrel back triple cockpit, Dumas Chris Craft 1940 double cockpit, Dumas Santa Maria, Artesania Latina 1901 Scow Schooner, scratch built Hannah, Continental Navy, scratch built Candelaria bomb ship, OcCre Pride of Baltimore, Model Shipways 17 foot Chesapeake kayak (2, one scratch), Midwest USN Picket Boat #1, Model Shipways Kobuksan, Turtle Korean ironclad, YoungModeler HMS Revenge, scratch NY Pilot Boat, kit bashed, Model Shipways USS Monitor, scratch Nuestra Senora de Afortunado, 1926 Popular Science plan, Resoration Martha, CBMM, Puddle Jumper, scratch stern wheeler Lady Sarah, kit bashed Constructo Victorian launch
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 3, 2020 Author #256 Posted October 3, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. When I was sanding the opening where the tiller goes in, the two top wales sprung loose from the hull. Ten cm of that wale was removed and 8 cm of the wale below the top wale was removed. Created 2 new scarph joints and placed 2 new walnut planks in place of where the other wales were removed. Using glue & sawdust combo, bend the wales towards the hull, clamped and pinned the area and let dry overnight. On the inside installed 0.5mm thick planks and most of it will not be visible. The tiller opening the stern area is a bit off. If you look towards the hole and keep the stem as your middle point the left area is a bit bigger than the right side. I'll figure something out to make it more even. Next will be the 4 windows on the rounded stern. Up to now this is what she presently looks like. Marcus Louie da fly, Baker, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
burrapeg Posted October 3, 2020 #257 Posted October 3, 2020 One must admire your persistence. And even with real fluits, no doubt they were not all alike and some were more successful than others. I had a question: Some time back you mentioned half-round headed black stainless pins. Where did you get those? mtaylor 1 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 3, 2020 Author #258 Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, burrapeg said: One must admire your persistence. And even with real fluits, no doubt they were not all alike and some were more successful than others. I had a question: Some time back you mentioned half-round headed black stainless pins. Where did you get those? Thank you. The pins I got a long time ago. In the 70's in the Netherlands. I bought a thousand and still have a couple of 100 left. I use the as steel pins in the wales. I'm looking for more. Once I find them I'll let you know. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
burrapeg Posted October 5, 2020 #259 Posted October 5, 2020 Thanks, Marcus, yes let me know if you find a source for more pins like those. And best wishes for now, - Stew flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 2 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 12, 2020 Author #260 Posted October 12, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. I've noticed another mistake (I keep doing this). When I initially cut out the sternpost it was according to the drawing. Glued it to the skeleton frame and started planking. My guess is that my planking is to thick as well as the wales because the post slowly disappeared. I should have planked the hull first and then glue the sternpost and add the wales last. So in some areas of the sternpost I will have problems gluing the gudgeons on to it. What I need to remember is dat the angle of the sternpost has to be equal to the angle of the transom. My options. 1. Leave as is and just add the gudgeons. 2. Add wood to the keel, sternpost and then install the gudgeons. Problem then is that the top of the rudder is to far away from the transom. 3. Add wood to the keel, sternpost and cut the transom to add more wood. When the keel is installed the top of the rudder is close to the opening where the tiller goes in. Hope this made some sense and if not, look at the pictures of the final results. Basically making the sbip 1 cm longer. The problem with this method is that the hole were the tiller goes is is going to be 1 cm larger, basically too big. So then the drastic thing to do is to remove the transom area above the sternpost from frame 0 to frame 15 and start all over again. I have done something like that already. The more I think about it the less I want to do that. Marcus mtaylor, G.L. and Elijah 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
YankeeD Posted October 12, 2020 #261 Posted October 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, flying_dutchman2 said: I've noticed another mistake (I keep doing this) Means you are still human mtaylor, Elijah, Louie da fly and 1 other 4 Quote Current build 7 Provinciën (Englisch thread): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13719-the-7-provinci%C3%ABn-by-yankeed-scale-150-1665-according-to-drawings-by-mr-o-blom-first-wooden-scratch-ship-build/ For Dutch readers (Dutch thread): http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/nederlands-historisch-zeilschip-het-schip-van-de-ruyter-de-7-provinci%C3%ABn.216834/
YankeeD Posted October 12, 2020 #262 Posted October 12, 2020 I think I would go for the least impact solution. Leave as it is and I would smuggle with iron of the hinges just as if it were how it should be. Elijah, amateur, Louie da fly and 2 others 5 Quote Current build 7 Provinciën (Englisch thread): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13719-the-7-provinci%C3%ABn-by-yankeed-scale-150-1665-according-to-drawings-by-mr-o-blom-first-wooden-scratch-ship-build/ For Dutch readers (Dutch thread): http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/nederlands-historisch-zeilschip-het-schip-van-de-ruyter-de-7-provinci%C3%ABn.216834/
amateur Posted October 12, 2020 #263 Posted October 12, 2020 Would be my advice too. Stern is OK, so modifying that will draw attention to any imperfections. just adjust rhe irons,a nd leave the woodwork as is. Jan flying_dutchman2, mtaylor, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 12, 2020 Author #264 Posted October 12, 2020 Thank you both for your imput. The only thing I will be doing is add 10mm piece of wood to the keel and sternpost. Several people said the same thing on modelbouwforum.nl as you both did. Marcus Louie da fly, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 16, 2020 Author #265 Posted October 16, 2020 Made a template from the area that is glued on top of the sternpost. Created a 1mm thick veneer by glueing 0.5mm plywood and 0.5mm walnut veneer together. Used the template to create those 2 pieces and glued them to the sternpost. At the same time it will hide the square dowel added to the sternpost. Marcus mtaylor, G.L. and Louie da fly 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 16, 2020 Author #266 Posted October 16, 2020 Now the area where the tiller goes in. In Dutch it's called het "hennegat". Removed with a x-acto knife and saw the two upper wales on both sides. Then sanded it even. Created a template from a round dowel. Both sides of the dowel have the same angle as each of the sides of the Fluit With a combination of glue and sawdust re - installed the upper wales. The glue / sawdust combo was also added to the inside of the planks to create a hard structure. The newly glued on planks were held together with painters tape. The planks are thin as second layer will be installed on the first layer. 0.5mm thick small piece of plywood was soaked for 30 min in water. Shaped it around the round dowel. This piece follows the curve of the area where the tiller goes in. If this does not work I will go back to the drawing table and figure something else out. Eventually I will find a solution. I refuse to trash this and start over correctly.. Marcus cog, G.L., amazone and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 17, 2020 Author #267 Posted October 17, 2020 Thanks for the ideas and likes. The bend 0.5mm thick plywood has been formed and installed where the tiller goes in and filled with the combo glue / sawdust. Once this is dried and hardened I can make a rectangular hole wher the tiller goes through. After that I will plank it with walnut planks that are 0.5mm thick by 2mm wide strip wood. The wales have been redone. Still needs much sanding Marcus racedees, Louie da fly, G.L. and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted November 5, 2020 #268 Posted November 5, 2020 Heroic (and imaginative!) solutions. Just one question - why do the additions to the sternpost not go all the way down to the keel? You've probably got a good reason, but I can't see it at the moment. mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 7, 2020 Author #269 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 5:06 PM, Louie da fly said: Heroic (and imaginative!) solutions. Just one question - why do the additions to the sternpost not go all the way down to the keel? You've probably got a good reason, but I can't see it at the moment. Thanks for all the likes and comments. I don't know. The plan shows the way I did it. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 7, 2020 Author #270 Posted November 7, 2020 Presently adding a few things to the hull. Created the 4 windows on the stern area and the two in the upper area of the back of the hull. I am not doing these Itty bitty carvings and instead putting little pieces of wood around the window frames and then painting it Yellow Ochre, a color that existed in the Dutch golden age. Holes are cut into the hull on different areas and single and double blocks are put into them. Marcus mtaylor, Baker, cog and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
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