vossy Posted June 12, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 12, 2019 Hi, anyone read, got a copy, recommend or otherwise of this book? ISBN 978-1844860142 AUTHOR: Xavier Pastor Cheers Chris thibaultron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted June 13, 2019 Share #2 Posted June 13, 2019 Everybody agrees that there is no historically accurate data on what these vessels looked like, specifically. At best, we might have some idea of the type they were, but that's about it. Nevertheless, they just keep on putting out books and model kits of the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria. The demand just never lets up. thibaultron, mtaylor, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vossy Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted June 13, 2019 Hi, I am fully aware that there is no historically accurate information on the 3 specific vessels Columbus used, however having viewed this publication in limited PDF format I think it might be useful as a guide to the particular type of vessel. Chris Canute, thibaultron, Bob Cleek and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted June 13, 2019 Share #4 Posted June 13, 2019 I agree with Bob’s post above. The underwater Archeology people have published a lot of new information since this book was published and much of it can be found on the internet. The bad news is how much is still unknown. In most cases information is limited to mast steps, floor timbers, and many a few first futtocks. Virtually nothing exists for upper works. It would be even be impossible to determine which of these vessels, were fitted with square transom or round sterns. The Newport Ship currently being conserved in Bristol, UK is one of the “better preserved” examples of a ship of this period, probably built in Spain. The reconstruction is based on a remarkably small fragment of the hull with the rest, such as the square transom inferred. Roger mtaylor, thibaultron and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted June 14, 2019 Share #5 Posted June 14, 2019 18 hours ago, Roger Pellett said: The underwater Archeology people have published a lot of new information since this book was published and much of it can be found on the internet. For example, see https://modelshipworld.com/topic/10190-archaeological-studies-on-carrack-wrecks/ Steven Canute, vossy, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vossy Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted June 14, 2019 Thanks Steven for all this wonderful info. I have just ordered the Mantua Nina 1:50 with extra pre stitched sails from CMB. I am a total Columbus freak, and have been since childhood. I have built the Amati Santa Maria 1:50??? but plan on building all 3 of the Mantua vessels. It doesn't appear as though any build logs for the Nina are on here, or anywhere I can find, so I may be the log Guinea Pig for this one! Cheers Chris mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted June 15, 2019 Share #7 Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) Thanks, Chris. I did a search for Nina build logs, and though I couldn't find anything on the Mantua one, there seem to be a few from other companies - https://modelshipworld.com/search/?q=nina - which may be of help to you in your build. You might also be interested in http://nautarch.tamu.edu/shiplab/01George/index.htm which has links to pages that outline just about all the information known of caravels to date, and https://www.amazon.com/Portuguese-caravel-European-shipbuilding-development/dp/B0007BPCV4 - I haven't read this book, so I can't comment on whether it's any good or not. There's also a very good website on the development of caravels that I thought I had bookmarked, but can't find at the moment. If I can locate it, I'll send you the link. OMG! I just realised you're a fellow Ballarat resident! Steven Edited June 15, 2019 by Louie da fly changed TAMU link address for more info Canute, mtaylor, vossy and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2021 Share #8 Posted October 12, 2021 The Ships of Christopher Columbus (Santa Maria; PINTA; NINA) by Xavier Pastor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted October 14, 2021 Share #9 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) Chris, Building the models looks to be a fun project but I would be cautious with pre sewn sails or any cloth materials for that matter. It is impossible to make these to scale at 1:50 or smaller using cloth and sewing machines whether done on your own or buying them pre-made. It is a shame to see many well built models ruined with cloth sails that are so out of scale. If you do a little search you will see that there has been a lot of discussion and instruction details on using alternate materials to make realistic sails to scale lately here at MSW. I am not familiar with CMB's sails, so they may be using scaled materials other than cloth and sewing thread. It will be interesting to see what materials they are using. Allan Edited October 14, 2021 by allanyed mtaylor, Mark P, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 12, 2021 Share #10 Posted November 12, 2021 I've put together a Pinterest page with all the contemporary pictures of caravels I've collected over the years - it's at https://www.pinterest.com.au/lowe1847/caravels/ - I hope that helps. Steven Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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