Voyageur Posted April 8, 2020 #1 Posted April 8, 2020 I have this nice little canoe that I am planning on rebuilding. I want to remove the decks and bulkheads. I wonder what advice anyone would have to best remove them with minimal damage. Quote We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act. ~ Aristotle I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life! ~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute
Chuck Seiler Posted April 8, 2020 #2 Posted April 8, 2020 That would be dependent on what kind of glue was used. Can you tell? mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
Voyageur Posted April 8, 2020 Author #3 Posted April 8, 2020 I have no idea... but I figured using denatured alcohol was a good bet. It wasn’t long before I was able to get the decks off. Does that mean the glue was PVA or something else? bruce d, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act. ~ Aristotle I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life! ~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute
Jaager Posted April 8, 2020 #4 Posted April 8, 2020 Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol. The solvent for PVA is isopropyl alcohol, but the properties of short chain alcohols are very similar. So it could be PVA. Hide glue is denatured by ethyl alcohol - especially if it is hot, so it could be a hide glue. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Osmosis Posted April 8, 2020 #5 Posted April 8, 2020 Is this going to be a log of your restoration. Cause you know I'm in. mtaylor 1 Quote Art Smith Current Build: E.M. White Guide Canoe - Canoe Model Kits, San Francisco Cross Section - Artesania Latina Completed: Peterboro Canoe - Midwest , Hobbyzone Organizers and Building Jigs, Guns of History Naval Smoothbore, 1st Build: Midwest Sakonnet Daysailer
Voyageur Posted April 8, 2020 Author #6 Posted April 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Osmosis said: Is this going to be a log of your restoration. Cause you know I'm in. You bet! You inspired me to do this. I was perfectly happy looking at it on the shelf but your Peterborough looked so sweet that I just had to do something. I spending some time thinking about how to approach it before starting the log. Maybe tonight. I’d like some input from my friends here as I don’t think I have all the answers to accomplish what I want. Thanks for your interest! Quote We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act. ~ Aristotle I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life! ~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute
mtaylor Posted April 8, 2020 #7 Posted April 8, 2020 When you start the restoration, put it in the Scratch area and add "Restoration" to the title. druxey 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Voyageur Posted April 8, 2020 Author #8 Posted April 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Jaager said: Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol. The solvent for PVA is isopropyl alcohol, but the properties of short chain alcohols are very similar. So it could be PVA. Hide glue is denatured by ethyl alcohol - especially if it is hot, so it could be a hide glue. Thank you, I never would have guessed that each type is different enough to make a difference. mtaylor 1 Quote We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act. ~ Aristotle I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life! ~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute
druxey Posted April 9, 2020 #9 Posted April 9, 2020 The trick in every situation is to use a solvent (starting with water!) that does the trick without damaging surrounding paint or finishes. Looks like you hit it right. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
6ohiocav Posted April 12, 2020 #10 Posted April 12, 2020 What is the best way to neutralize wood glue? Quote Darrell Completed build - US Brig. Niagara http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13562-us-brig-niagara-by-6ohiocav-model-shipways-scale-164/
Charles Green Posted June 14, 2020 #11 Posted June 14, 2020 I'm new to this site so I'm late on this topic but, if the glue is Tite Bond or some other variety of common "wood glue", vinegar (acetic acid) will soften it. If it is "wood glue" and it's been hard for a while, like what you have, it's necessary to go a step further and make up our own batch of stronger acetic acid. Photographers Formulary out of Montana sells Glacial Acetic Acid - mixed up diluted, it's for the stop bath in the photo process. GAA is the strongest form of acetic acid. A 40% solution and time will soften hard wood glue. Just keep applying it with a small brush; it may take a few hours. GAA is considered a hazardous substance so it will only ship UPS ground. It freezes at around 50 deg F and looks like ice, hence its name. The fumes are very strong, as bad as ammonia, so keep it away from your nose and take the same precautions with the undiluted liquid you would with any acid. I've used this process on maple boards and aircraft-quality birch ply with no problems to the wood or delamination of the ply. I still shoot and process photo film and prints so I mix up a very dilute solution of GAA all the time; just be careful. mtaylor 1 Quote
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