Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[rwiederrich]

Adding the forstay. 
 

 Now that the main yard for the foremast is hung and rigged, I can go ahead and add all the jib stays at this time…..because all of their halliards and downhauls need to belayed aft of the fore mast.  No better time to act now then to wait till all the backstays are installed and in the way. 
 

Rob

Edited September 22, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

Fife rail is getting full.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

More stay work.  I think I did enough for the day…….I put in just under 8 hours today. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Now the real work comes….. adding the bunt lines, rigging and belaying them , along with all the other rigging.  Need to finish the starboard lift and lower topsail sheet. 
 

Rob

Rob, now that the fore main yard has been mounted, her resemblance to the real vessel herself is remarkable. Glorious, glorious, simply glorious.

[druxey]

Eight hours? You obviously having staying power. (Sorry, couldn't resist that!)

[rwiederrich]

20 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, now that the fore main yard has been mounted, her resemblance to the real vessel herself is remarkable. Glorious, glorious, simply glorious.

It amazes me at the extent of rigging I’ve chosen to tackle.  Short of any stunsl’ rigging and the shortage of stay and jib sails(which they removed during long stints in port),  I’m not sure if I left off any required rigging. 
 

I’ll finish off the jib stays and their hallyard and dowhauls tomorrow.  
 

Rob

Edited September 23, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

2 minutes ago, druxey said:

Eight hours? You obviously having staying power. (Sorry, couldn't resist that!)

I had the time and I took it. I eliminated 4 regular days sessions.  Just that much closer……

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

I’ve come to an empass.  Normally the downhauls for the jibs would be belayed at a fife rail on the forecastle.  However, all my research doesn’t seem to validate that Glory had one on her forecastle.  I don’t se any evidence of one………but logic dictates one had to be there…..or something similar. 
 

Maybe Rich will add some insight?

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

For fun, I took a couple comparison pics.  
 

Rob

[druxey]

Th figure looks very good, but the  lettering on the nameboard is far too modern, if you don't mind my saying so.

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, druxey said:

Th figure looks very good, but the  lettering on the nameboard is far too modern, if you don't mind my saying so.

I have period dry transfers that I will use to redo the stern name and the name boards……just haven’t got to them yet.  No…I don’t mind.  That will be a whole project in of itself. 
Was my spelling correct?

 

Rob

[druxey]

Wot speling?

[ClipperFan]

23 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I’ve come to an empass.  Normally the downhauls for the jibs would be belayed at a fife rail on the forecastle.  However, all my research doesn’t seem to validate that Glory had one on her forecastle.  I don’t se any evidence of one………but logic dictates one had to be there…..or something similar. 
 

Maybe Rich will add some insight?

 

Rob

Rob,

Going back to only internal view of Glory's f'o'cstle, there does seem to be photographic evidence supporting a fife rail of sorts, in two locations. Most obvious is where two major lines mount to a rail in mid center. Between the two lines are a mound of rope coils which indicates lines which might be too light to see. The second possibility is a thick horizontal curving structure just at the bow. Although, there doesn't appear to be any belaying pins visible. It defies logic that there wouldn't be any place to belay these important lines.

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I have period dry transfers that I will use to redo the stern name and the name boards……just haven’t got to them yet.  No…I don’t mind.  That will be a whole project in of itself. 
Was my spelling correct?

 

Rob

Rob, your name board is spelled correctly. However "empass" really to be correct should have been "impasse." Since you asked, I figured since you asked...

[ClipperFan]

Rob,

Here's my sketch for the Glory of the Seas name board. From careful observation of the real article mounted in the San Francisco Maritime Museum Library, I calculated it to be 14 feet long by a foot high with 10" hand chiseled letters. The end trim appears to be oak leaves. Letters, surrounding trim and end pieces were all originally gold leaf on a black background. 

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, druxey said:

Wot speling?

A spoiler after mine own hart.   
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

This image doesn’t show any fife rails.  Nothing hinting on typical structures.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

19 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I have period dry transfers that I will use to redo the stern name and the name boards……just haven’t got to them yet.  No…I don’t mind.  That will be a whole project in of itself. 
Was my spelling correct?

 

Rob

Rob,

Since you're considering dry transfers to redo your stern, I thought you might want to make use of this. I based floral patterns on the original carved arch of Glory's ornate cutwater while the letter patterns are derived from the excellent images supplied to us by Mike. What I found fascinating is that the name board letters and stern letter patterns, while somewhat similar, don't exactly match. Oh, yeh yu kan rezt asurred, az a formur Englyzh Majur, mi spelying is kompletelie korekt.

[ClipperFan]

17 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

This image doesn’t show any fife rails.  Nothing hinting on typical structures.  
 

Rob

Rob,

Isn't it possible that owing to prior dismantling of her masts that much of Glory's rigging would have been removed too by the time this picture was taken? From this earlier 1895 image, now that it's been cropped to bring details into sharper focus, I can see that there's definitely at least one line which is mounted to the curving horizontal internal bow structure, there's lines wrapped around it in a figure eight style. Looking at the capstan, there's the dual lines which seem to mount to the thick wooden bit ahead of the capstan, this bit is still visible slightly forward of the capstan and  on her fo'c'sle but in the later picture it has no lines attached to it. 

[BANYAN]

Rob, some clippers had two spiderbands (for belaying pins) at their base; perhaps an option?  

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

On 9/24/2022 at 5:05 PM, BANYAN said:

Rob, some clippers had two spiderbands (for belaying pins) at their base; perhaps an option?  

 

cheers

 

Pat

Spider band at the base of what?

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

On 9/24/2022 at 1:44 PM, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

Isn't it possible that owing to prior dismantling of her masts that much of Glory's rigging would have been removed too by the time this picture was taken? From this earlier 1895 image, now that it's been cropped to bring details into sharper focus, I can see that there's definitely at least one line which is mounted to the curving horizontal internal bow structure, there's lines wrapped around it in a figure eight style. Looking at the capstan, there's the dual lines which seem to mount to the thick wooden bit ahead of the capstan, this bit is still visible slightly forward of the capstan and  on her fo'c'sle but in the later picture it has no lines attached to it. 

I think the structure that forms the curve of the splash rail base, could be a bow rail for pins.  I need to figure this out.  It looks like another mod is in store. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

On 9/23/2022 at 7:54 PM, rwiederrich said:

This image doesn’t show any fife rails.  Nothing hinting on typical structures.  
 

Rob

The curved ledge or rail at the bow in front of the fore stay mountings, could indeed be an elevated bow rail for pins used for the jib stay sail downhauls.  The shadow indicates such a rail.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

20 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

The curved ledge or rail at the bow in front of the fore stay mountings, could indeed be an elevated bow rail for pins used for the jib stay sail downhauls.  The shadow indicates such a rail.  
 

Rob

Rob,

The biggest support for that conclusion is the photographic evidence. There's definitely at least one line that is secured to that curving structure with the distinctive figure eight wrapping as well. Meanwhile, it also appears like the mounting bit stationed afore both capstan and cat-heads has some significant lines terminating on it as well. In the later image, where Glory's beached this same structure is shorn of any lines. I believe that's because those lines with their accompanying gin blocks have long since been removed.

Edited September 26, 2022 by ClipperFan
spelling correction

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

The biggest support for that conclusion is the photographic evidence. There's definitely at least on line that is secured to that curving structure with the distinctive figure eight wrapping as well. Meanwhile, it also appears like the mounting bit stationed afore both capstan and cat-heads has some significant lines terminating on it as well. In the later image, where Glory's beached this same structure is shorn of any lines. I believe that's because those lines with their accompanying gin blocks have long since been removed.

The latest image Mike gave us of Glory taken from a nearby hill...at Enadoline....indicates that a curved bow rail may be the means used for the pins(Missing in that image), but as you pointed out with a much clearer image of her showing her crowded forecastle.  There definitely appears to be a line belayed at it.  The later images of her being modified for canary service are not clear in this area, but do show the iron stanchions used for the hand ropes that men would use to scurry up her bowsprit to furl and loose her jib sails.  These iron stanchions must bolt down to some rail at the bow.  the image doesn't indicate that these stanchions were merely bolted against the splash rail.

Further, this curved bow rail, from the overhead image, does indicate it is flowing smoothly into the splash rail.  That shadow is very misguiding.

 

I think, do to the lack of undeniable, irrefutable, evidence, I am going to fabricate a small curved rail at or close to the location it appears to be in the image.  Then place 5 pins and both iron rope stanchions there.

 

Rob

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

   'Gotta love spell Czech, mate.  'Love the notion that the Glory might have transported canaries ... 😉 

[ClipperFan]

14 hours ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

   'Gotta love spell Czech, mate.  'Love the notion that the Glory might have transported canaries ... 😉 

Snug Harbor Johnny

That reminds me of that olde english tongue twister:

"How many canaries can a clipper ship ship, if a clipper ship can ship canaries?" 🙂

 

[rwiederrich]

I added the curved bow in rail and the iron rope handrail stanchions. 
 

Now I’ll add the bowsprit foot rope and then the jib sail running gear. 
 

Rob

[BANYAN]

Veeery niiiice!  

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

Adding the fish tackle.   Still have to belay the purchase. 
 

Rob