Golden Hind by Tomasz B - OcCre - 1/85

[Tomasz B]

Hi All.

Started this kit while ago , i wish to hear some comments what i have done right  and wrong . 

Imo Instruction from this kit is very basic-not explaining everything for beginner like me especially rigging is not very clear.

Here is some pictures. Some pictures are missing- hdd failure.

 

 

 

 

 

                                          

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by Tomasz B
pictures in wrong order

[ccoyle]

The ultimate arbiter of "did right" or "did wrong" is the look of the finished product. So far, your model looks very good, especially for a first wooden ship, so I'd say that you have done mostly quite right. Keep up the good work!

[Tomasz B]

Thank you sir.

[Tomasz B]

Hi all.

Today I've done ,,lower stay blocks,,

and started ,,rat lines,, if that's correct? Very difficult to do and going very slow but i make some progress...hope that's correct way to do it...

[Tomasz B]

Little progress with shrouds. 

I marked red lines on top of them is that's the correct high of this shrouds?  Or should they go higher?  

[kirill4]

Good day ,

Dear Tomasz,

Your model looks very nice... however  I would reccomend to read this GREAT book written world famous author(in ship model making and history receach) which will help You a lot!

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JU7C/bVhk9VrXn

There You will find description od every rigging line You will need to arrange on Your galleon model ...

All The Best!!!

Kirill

[kirill4]

Please check and read nearest treads about our friends building the same model as You are busy with :)))

[Tomasz B]

Thank you so much for link i will check it. I've searched so many builds and they looks so different i am so confused now. Also looking at the real replica of this ship but it looks so different to plans provided by occre 😕

[kirill4]

 

 Tomasz,

By my opinion, there are a few ways to make rigging:

*to build exactly as suggested in your kit

*to build as existing relica

*to build as suggested in the books Andrson and Mondfeld- regarding proper rigging arrangements but maybe not exactly as your model kit suggested

*to build as Mayflower II rigging

*to build as Aker siggested| developed by eugen.t in his reconstruction 

 

to avoid repeating all the same information  again

please check recently posted drawings in nearby treads of GH and Mayflower buildings as we discussed  rigging variants just a few days ago...

from my point of vew there is most interesting rigging plan for GH made by eugen.t based on Aker reconstruction...

 

 

Golden Hind-T5A1.pdf

Edited January 18, 2021 by kirill4

[kirill4]

I think it will not be wrong if You make it the same lenght as top mast height

[kirill4]

replica rigging plan 

[Tomasz B]

Thanks to you i decided to follow my instructions as a reference but i will do my best to add little bit from myself and follow the links you send me to improve my skill. Thank you so much again 

[Tomasz B]

Decided to make my first ropes ,i think they looks ok.that beige one was very first and black twisted wrong way..first picture another ones looks better they're about 1.3mm 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Tomasz B

[Tomasz B]

Here is my ,,ropewalk,, very simple yet effective 👌and cost me little time...

[Baker]

Well done for your first wooden ship.

Congrats.

[Tomasz B]

Don't know how to call it but just make my own didn't liked from kit the metal one.

[Baker]

7 hours ago, Tomasz B said:

Don't know how to call it but just make my own didn't liked from kit the metal one.

kit parts replaced by own work
That is  the modeling microbe That strikes you 😉

[kirill4]

Good day,

Your kevels Looks nice , much better than original !

however acording to R.C.Anderson this is Dutch type of kevel, english type should be more "round" shape such as shape of the kit's kevels...

[Tomasz B]

4 hours ago, kirill4 said:

Good day,

Your kevels Looks nice , much better than original !

however acording to R.C.Anderson this is Dutch type of kevel, english type should be more "round" shape such as shape of the kit's kevels...

I found it as well in this book but also found this picture of golden hind,,replica in London i am just thinking how accurate due to plans the replica is  🤔

[kirill4]

Good day,

Tomasz,

Steering wheel!!!???😁 on 16 th centure galleon ???

looks very strange...

I think may be better discard this replica details as quidance and better follow information from Anderson book?

I know there are two GH replicas exist ...

one is just tourist atraction and another one much more hystoric accurste... posted foto of which one ?

Is this foto of this replica?

If Yes , I don't know why they choose this type of kevels

Edited January 24, 2021 by kirill4

[Tomasz B]

Yes steering wheel make me laugh 😅 as well but they did that to make their life easier i think when they sail this ship some time ago. Definitely my next ship build i will better follow the book. Thanks 😊

[kirill4]

But one moment ,

There is another buitiful reconstruction of elizabethian galleon by Peter Kirsch, and He used the same type of kevel as You did...

so probably You did acceptable choise !:)))

[kirill4]

Those type of kevel which Anderson refers as english type, we could see on the contemporary english models 17- 18 cenrures

[kirill4]

17 minutes ago, Tomasz B said:

Yes steering wheel make me laugh 😅 as well but they did that to make their life easier i think when they sail this ship some time ago. Definitely my next ship build i will better follow the book. Thanks 😊

I know Mayflower II replica had steering gear wheel which was arranged in purpose for transatlantic voyage , they also arranged foot ropes for convinience working with sails, but it was artifucial additions which couldn't be seen on the vessel in 16-17 centures

Edited January 24, 2021 by kirill4

[Tomasz B]

I am trying to find how exactly they looks like, all i found is like this.

[Tomasz B]

39 minutes ago, kirill4 said:

But one moment ,

There is another buitiful reconstruction of elizabethian galleon by Peter Kirsch, and He used the same type of kevel as You did...

so probably You did acceptable choise !:)))

Found same picture but less quality 

[Tomasz B]

So here they are. I leave it as it is 

[Tomasz B]

Also replaced masts stays with black rope i made myself instead of brown from kit.hope they looks better now.

[Tomasz B]

Just started rigging yards⁹ this weekend got more time to do this 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Tomasz B

[kirill4]

Good day Tomasz,

foot ropes -Why did You make them / is it in the kit's manual?

Actually ,during galleon era and well

 till the end of the 17th centure foot ropes were not known ...and not used...

as example ,one of the Willem van de Velde drawing - no foot ropes...

but this is already mid of the 17th century...

Edited January 24, 2021 by kirill4