Golden Hind by Tomasz B - OcCre - 1/85

[Tomasz B]

54 minutes ago, kirill4 said:

Good day Tomasz,

foot ropes -Why did You make them / is it in the kit's manual?

Actually ,during galleon era and well

 till the end of the 17th centure foot ropes were not known ...and not used...

as example ,one of the Willem van de Velde drawing - no foot ropes...

but this is already mid of the 17th century...

Thanks for info. I didn't know they were not invented yet 😕.  You guys have so much knowledge i can only dream of yet so much reading on front of me. I will take them off then.

Thanks again 

[kirill4]

Dear Tomasz,

Great part of my knowledge ,if not all, I took from R.C.Anderson book about 17 century rigging... wnen I rigging my model,it was very easy and interesting

He gave information in logical order same as sailing ship model need to be rigged...

I just read a few pages,lets say about main stay or main lifts for example and  tnan just made a few ropes on my model as it was described/ guided in his book - rope by rope - page by page...:)

later on I found more resourses with relevant information, but in common them all just confirm what  Anderson said already in his book many years ago :)))

good source of informatiin about 16-17 century rigging it is museum , art works of famous Dutch artists of that period - there is the link in my signature to their work...some of the paints like fotograph,such detailed!!!

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by kirill4

[Tomasz B]

20 hours ago, kirill4 said:

Dear Tomasz,

Great part of my knowledge ,if not all, I took from R.C.Anderson book about 17 century rigging... wnen I rigging my model,it was very easy and interesting

He gave information in logical order same as sailing ship model need to be rigged...

I just read a few pages,lets say about main stay or main lifts for example and  tnan just made a few ropes on my model as it was described/ guided in his book - rope by rope - page by page...:)

later on I found more resourses with relevant information, but in common them all just confirm what  Anderson said already in his book many years ago :)))

good source of informatiin about 16-17 century rigging it is museum , art works of famous Dutch artists of that period - there is the link in my signature to their work...some of the paints like fotograph,such detailed!!!

 

Now i know i should get this book in first before i started this ship, but is never too late i will get it soon. 

[Tomasz B]

Did little work today with shrouds, left deadeye not aligned yet but it spin freely in the loop 

[Tomasz B]

Unfortunately fore mast nest dead eyes were too far back so have to fix it now is not too late yet. 

[kirill4]

Tomasz,

Futtock shrouds!???🙄😁 or just don't like them?

 

[Larry Cowden]

On 1/24/2021 at 9:51 AM, Tomasz B said:

Also replaced masts stays with black rope i made myself instead of brown from kit.hope they looks better now.

Looking great!

[Tomasz B]

13 minutes ago, kirill4 said:

Tomasz,

Futtock shrouds!???🙄😁 or just don't like them?

 

Just deadeyes they should be like the blue lines i 🤔

[kirill4]

futtock shrouds ,as variant 

[Tomasz B]

3 minutes ago, kirill4 said:

futtock shrouds ,as variant

4 minutes ago, kirill4 said:

futtock shrouds ,as variant 

These under nest right? Still confused with all that parts names of the ship😃 no not this time ,maybe next ship i will. 

[kirill4]

Good day,

This part- 

just imitation easy could be made, using the same fittings You already installed on the top platform of the model...just need to add futtock staf and shrouds , this parts lets say " mandatory" and will improove accuracy of your model! :)))

[kirill4]

?smthng like this ?

just as suggestion...

[Tomasz B]

1 hour ago, kirill4 said:

?smthng like this ?

just as suggestion...

Thank you very much for suggestions. How about if i do this like below? 

[Tomasz B]

Or should i go ahead and make new fittings and replace all kit ones with something like this. 

[Tomasz B]

Or something like this 

[Tomasz B]

Or like this  ? But is very small ,and is not easy to solder  this smallest 3mm hook ...don't even know is correct fittings for futtock shrouds like that. 

[Tomasz B]

Had to make this little saw to open holes in nest to be able push through fittings.

[Baker]

Only one original mast top from the 16th century exists, and that's that of the Mary Rose.

(Replicas of 16th century ships are not really reliable for information)
I solved the problem like this (post 546).

 

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Backer

[Tomasz B]

Thank you . So won't be an issue if i move backwards this deadeyes cuz nest frame is on the way.

[kirill4]

Good! 

From my point of vew , it looks more accurate and logical! than previous version...

at least top mast shrouds need to be connected to the main shrouds for balance reasons, and your suggestion works in this way

Edited January 26, 2021 by kirill4

[Tomasz B]

Here is final deadeye fitting.

[Tomasz B]

First 6 fittings done, but my paint won't stick to it properly-from 1 issue to another 😄 i try anyway i don't give up that easy 

[Tomasz B]

Fore mast futtock shrouds dry fitted just to see how it looks , and something is wrong with it ? or is it just me?Deadeyes too close maybe ?they just don't look right 😕

[kirill4]

Could suggest, just some thoughts how to make them all similar....what if first

1.to make rings of requested and necessary diameter,

fabricate them on some of round stick,

2.than soldering cut and blackening rings entire

3.and finaly adjust necessary shape around deaeyes

[kirill4]

I don't know... They looks quite good for me!

general appearance/ distances between deadeyes/ on post #49 seems right

 

[Tomasz B]

Maybe i am trying to be too perfect very first time.also i did used rig for them.when i tried to shape them from ring like above i broke 2 deadeyes they are very fragile so decided to wrap around them carefully on rig and solder them-this works for me just fine no more broken ones.

[Baker]

10 hours ago, Tomasz B said:

?they just don't look right 😕

They seem to be quite correct.
Only the one on the right is upside down

[Tomasz B]

6 hours ago, Backer said:

They seem to be quite correct.
Only the one on the right is upside down

Thanks 😊they are not glued yet to be adjusted later on.

[kirill4]

^g:)))

why deadeyes round shape but not triangle than? 

provocation question! :)))

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by kirill4

[Tomasz B]

4 hours ago, kirill4 said:

^g:)))

why deadeyes round shape but not triangle than? 

provocation question! :)))

 

This is really provocative question 😅 

Well very first ship have to have some mistakes visible to get it better next time 🤣. To be honest i don't want to strip down everything now , i put a lot of effort on it but i will think about it again if i don't like it i may start all over again .

Edited January 27, 2021 by Tomasz B