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This past week was full of fall outside work and little modeling progress.  I do have a photo of the fun procurement items that will get me far into the rigging process.

  • As i commented I like using the Bluejacket schooner fittings and blocks.     New to my building since the diorama of Ernestina  is my migration from annealed copper to annealed steel for many of the small hooks, eyes and other fittings that are in any tension.  I still like the feel of the copper for shackles . Finally we have the new silk span for my first attempt as sails.  Here we go.
  • From expo I have a couple of sizes of chain, and with one I will fix the wrong one installed on the Martingale.  I have read that the topsail sheets were sheeted with chain where they go over the jump stays and will try to add that detail this time as well. Also apparent in the new pile is the choice of belaying pins.  I have looked at wooden and brass and have chosen to go with the brass 5/16" as they seem to look more like a 20th century items.  

Still a few competing projects  so it won't be quick.

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jon 

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post 31

 

My first rigging questions.

 

I find that each time I start to rig a schooner that I have much more to learn. Some of it is just adjusting details between vessels, some is relative to all schooners, and some is just how does one model it.  My priority is to understand how to sail the vessel and try to model that.  This priority overrides other goals.   So first up is how to correctly represent the fore top mast.    When I studied the designs from Bath, including Charles Notman and the Bertha Downs, I found a few details that made sense.  My first issue is the outer jib stay hits the fore topmast about 2/3 the way up.  That was no issue on the Bath schooners based on Douglas Lee research, as they used jack stays for the top sails
 

  • 264 a    1998213763_ac-264aDSC_1034.jpg.38557e5c10c2e5a64d6ab478958450ef.jpgand B show bottom and top of the jack stay on my model of Charles Notman.  the sloppy sails were because she was a true RC schooner.
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  • 265 a   1893717350_ac-265a201211465534_Ada20Cliff.jpg.a94c4c8f8a74a7800f0b61a2a3893626.jpg and b repeat of photo ac 24 to review what we are looking to achieve overall, and b is the blow up that highlights the hoops are used and they stop below the outer jib stay.  The sail “flys” above that and drifts several feet away from the top mast. 
  • 2026974616_ac-265badasailingforetopmasthoopsimg084.jpg.0b24fc9e265237b174b9c92d2fc7fba4.jpg

 

  • 266   626424574_ac-266EEE_1186.jpg.28e96b84bc934f622fcd5696f4edbcf9.jpg here I have hung some cardboard to see if that helps in studying and photographing the rigging.  I obviously need to get more white cardboard.

 

  • 267.   49928102_ac-267EEE_1187.jpg.ee152074441bdbc51f07fa5c6ea60395.jpg the foremast …My goal is a to complete all rigging on the foremast as I continue with work on deck.  The topping lifts and sheets for the jib and foresail are the first running rigging in place.

 

  • 268   1737406261_ac-268DSC_1050.jpg.118294af717ae3e3ff58b52b405d319e.jpg shows something I need to learn.  The sails need to be out.  But what is going to hold them out?   I have the tools extending for the two small booms right now, but I need to find a solution. In my other rc models I tilted the whole boat in a strap cradle and gravity does the work. As of now that won’t work here when set in the water base as there is not very much of a heel in this rig.

  

  • 269.   1083335670_ac-269EEE_1188.jpg.b6c35493c6f839fe7bd5ca99a71474dd.jpg work aft is plugging along. Here there is a blank box representing what I think I will add for a small engine to run the pumps.  I will talk about that when I collect a few more photos and then build something. The pump details come for the bath technical drawings that do not show an engine.  

 

  • 270    802412668_ac-270DSC_1051.jpg.b40802b9b06b4f75c31585845f4067db.jpg Several photos show that by the 1920’s small gasoline pumps were being used .As much as these coal schooners leaked ,there is no way the small crew pumped by manually spinning the wheel. I do not believe what read that he traveler line from forward could hook up to the pumps.  that is a bull in a china shop. more important they likely needed to run at the same time.

 

  • 271.   1464492332_ac-271EEE_1179.jpg.ee2e7ea1334f12fb7b32d77f814423a5.jpg here is some fun work as I add more and more stays. Here I am splicing another turnbuckle for the inner jibboom guy. As I study more photos, I am convinced that there was more and more galvanized components. I have started touching up with paint to get that look. 

 

  • 272.  1482533776_ac-272EEE_1189.jpg.7d06ffa88e11b8ea659e34efcb156e57.jpg here is some progress as the top masts are now set

Production of turnbuckles is picking up. I will show that process next time. I found enough evidence to proceed with painting blocks white.

 

all for now 

Posted

Post 32 

 

Turnbuckles

 

I offer here here is a series of photos showing the sequence of production I used to make several dozen turnbuckles.   This process ends with an obvious handmade product.  I am not a metal worker, nor am I able to use my inherited lathe/mill to make more of these pieces.  In a machine one can reproduce identical elements.  Enough of that….

 

Following views from many schooners , I found a common element. On the bottom there is a clevis or shackle that connects to the chain plate.  On those with a ring and shackle ,the ring is too small for me to model. Therefore, I chose to make the shackle attach to the “shaft”. I chuckle because after several searches I have never found neither good nor consistent names for the parts of a turnbuckle. In an earlier post I showed the evolution from my turnbuckles on Charles Notman to my turnbuckles here. There are three pieces, sub-assemblies, to make up the turnbuckle, the center barrel [ also called sleave or body], the bottom ring/clevis and the top ring [ eye] .

 

The barrel :

 

  • 273    1838814401_ac-273EEE_1181.jpg.f04f058cbcd1c253afd6245f3c76c2cc.jpg This process is straight forward. In this photo one can see all the tools set up.    I take a 5/32nd” brass tube [ 1/16TH” ID] and mark it off with a pencil the center section to be filed.  I then fill it with a 1/16th” rod for support and place it on the edge of a small vise to help guide a square file.  I file down one side then turn it over and repeat the other side.  I then use the center punch to scrape out the slots.

 

  • 274.    424090759_ac-274DSC_1038.jpg.e3ac14b08c082448688ec0e4ceca89ad.jpg Here we are set in a small vise for filing.

 

  • 275.  1603782872_ac-275DSC_1059.jpg.7a6b8c812902a2b75ae40286d45896c1.jpg Here we are after scraping out the slot.

The clevis and ring ends

 

For the clevis end, I settled on using 22 gauge annealed copper, cut into 5/8th” lengths for bending the shackle. I then use number 80 brass hex head machine screws for the shaft.  For the ring [top] end, used the 22 gauge copper wrapped around a 5/64th” drill bit and then cut off rings. I then used 80 brass flat head machine screws for the shaft.

 

276   451614783_ac-276DSC_1053.jpg.cdb04852c422ae8ccfb77d2be5725a83.jpg first we need to make the shackles. I measure the 5/8th“  length and then hand make them.

 

 

277   1438839859_ac-277DSC_1054.jpg.b66c126355ea54002b3cbe796c2fdb4c.jpg second we make the rings.  Wrapping around the drill then cutting off the rings.

 

 

278   1230385223_ac-278DSC_1040.jpg.ddcad468ecbcaa2f180719598703178c.jpg third we take the machine screws, here are flat head, put them in the vise and with a triangle file, enlarge the groove and use a small flat file to trim the sides. For the shackle end, I used hex head screws and filed them the same way.

 

 

Soldering

 

279   1958709262_ac-279DSC_1043.jpg.bad272adaa87fbc2194a09b49e26c3ce.jpg Forth we need to solder the shackle or ring to the machine screw shafts. Note the copper wire with loose rings as they have first been pickled. I find pickling the easy way to prepare them, since they are too tiny to clean effectively. In the photo, the solder is in place on a ring end.

 

 
280   1637098092_ac-280DSC_1046.jpg.4cddf1a109481748bf443ae6d2714391.jpg the ring end after solder. The next rings are sitting after the pickling.

 


281   1026992958_ac-281DSC_1049.jpg.40dc33e642d166cfe6c2e84b470898bf.jpg here a shackle has been soldered and the next batch are waiting.

 


282   408238805_ac-282EEE_1182.jpg.b0bb2009e918451df5bff65ea18cf162.jpg here is the combination of tools used in the process. Note I use normal flux and for these tiny connections the TIX soft solder.  The pencil torch works well.  I tried and tried with an electric gun and the liquid flux but found this process for me works best.  This is the first project where I have forced myself to try and try again and get to where, ugly as it maybe, it is soldered.

 


283   376973732_ac-283EEE_1190.jpg.dc58367dc5db39281a88c725e808d42f.jpg after a while I have a batch of about 8.  All units need filing to clean up the over solder.  The soft shackle will move around, so until these are being set up against the chain plates it is better not to work them too much. Similarly, the top rings get buried in a splice so not too many worries there.


Finishing 

 

Next up they are cleaned up, trimmed, and assembled. The ends are crimped into the tubes. Then we go for paint.  They are three different materials, and we are trying to get galvanized and black grease on the threads.

 

284   1083358604_ac-284DSC_1056.jpg.db1ee90ece81f3303899796d56afc71f.jpg these have been assembled and painted. They are running 1 1/8th in length.  What I found running through pictures is the newer schooners seemed to get smaller turnbuckles. I also found closed bodies show up on areas like cap shrouds on the foremast.  I can see in the Ada Cliff launch photos clearly enough to gauge the length and to note the open body design. I use aluminum paint to replicate galvanized metal and black for the greased threads.

 

 

285  ac-285DSC_1062.jpg.a4a6cf21c17dcb4ace10394b9871fb53.jpg here is the first batch installed starboard on the foremast. Crimped as they are, I can turn them and insert the small brass bar. I need to snip off the brass nails, retouch them with paint as they too would have been galvanized. The black rod is soft copper, and I need to either find a stiffer alternative or get it as straight as I can. Hopefully each batch gets better.  We’ll see.

 

 

286   1172300968_ac-286DSC_1063.jpg.06efa994785b98bae14cf111852ac2ab.jpg here is the batch on the port side.

 


287   632267377_ac-287DSC_1064.jpg.a4c19caf5cf2ecadc224c281813d1382.jpg here is the view looking across the deck at the inside of the shrouds.

 

Since my goal is to replicate how things fit together and where appropriate how they work, I am OK with the hand made approach to things like shackles and turnbuckles.  For any RC vessels, I have and will again resort to the store bought version .  Threading rod and then thinking about left hand threads is way over my head. Also the load on the sailing version requires more strength that this static model. 

 

all for now

Posted

Jon,

 

Some soldering tips:

 

Bakers Fluid.  This is a liquid flux, very low Viscosity, about like water.  It will flow into any crevice and solder seems to follow it.  I bought mine from Brownell’s, a gunsmith supplier.

 

Very thin solder.  I have been using some .020 diameter electronic solder that I bought from Radio Shack many years ago. They’re long gone, but I’m sure that the same thing is available somewhere else.  

 

Heat source.  I recently bought a cordless soldering iron.  I had been avoiding one as cordless and soldering seemed to be incompatible.  I was wrong!  My soldering iron heats to 950F and produces a sound joint every time.

 

Heat and temperature are related but not the same.  For the work that we do, I believe that the idea is to get the solder and the joint to the proper temperature with minimum heat.  Excess heat makes bad things happen; warping, oxidation, and damage to nearby soldered joints.  Using a heat source that is too powerful, or solder that requires to much heat because of its mass (diameter) makes these bad things happen without helping solde to flow into the joint.

 

Roger

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Roger

 

thank you for your helpful comments.  as to the items you mentioned, I have the liquid flux that is sold with the tix soft solder. I hope that is right.   For small pieces I know you are right as to process.  My constant problem has been when I use the electric solder gun to get heat into the pieces, I have to touch them with the hot tip.  It seems whatever I have done to secure the pieces, even those nice tungsten arms, the small pieces move and the joint fails. Sometimes the tip gets all black and does not seem to transfer heat.  i clean and then it works for a few times.   I have been told by others I am nuts to use the torch, especially when I am doing such small work. the only advantage for me, the beginner, is with the torch, it is a very quick flash from say three inches away and nothing moves.  I agree that the copper shackles clearly get too hot. I believe I am supposed to heat the copper to pull the solder from the brass screw head into itself. I am sure annealed copper 22 gauge vs. a brass machine screw heat up differently.

 

I will carry on and complete I believe about two dozen more.  With your inspiration, I will go back to the liquid flux with the tix solder and electric tip. If I can figure out how to avoid movement maybe I can be OK.   

 

thanks again for looking in.  Merry Christmas too

Posted

post 33 

 

Planning the first sails, work on deck

 

I have said my plan is to learn the silk span process as I move forward.  As to sail design, my initial plan is to replicate the photo I have shared before and annotate here

  • 288   1251345530_ac-288adasailincolor.thumb.jpg.bae2d6883624506495f26f2df2eecf10.jpg here we see a few details for rigging. I note items that are different from the reference drawings on Bertha and the Bath schooners.   The foresail gaff seems to fly a little lower than the plans indicate.  The gaff downhauls are clear, and the lazy jacks seem to be simplified to one drop from the lifts.  Most importantly the top sails seen to fly fully above the gaff and thus easier to handle when tacking. Most plans show them hanging below the gaff.

 

  • 289   669732686_ac-289EEE_1199.jpg.cf5141f94b05d71eac4c0133bffdbf41.jpg this working markup was taken from the cad scaled rigging plans.  they seem to compare nicely between the three sources discussed before.  Looking then to the actual sizes in the model I have adjusted them down a bit.  Finally, I have scaled off the photo and reduced this sail’s height by one inch or about 4 feet. 

 

  • 290.   1294811258_ac-290EEE_1200.jpg.44a60d819d65ed7a811d53b7315187c9.jpg here are the first patterns cut out and fit onto the model. The fore staysail is a bit smaller than the plans as is the jib since there is a self-tacking jib boom that showed in the launch photo.  The flying and outer jibs are just the same as the drawings and seem to look ok.  I may shorten them just a bit to conform with the others. This is also the view to see that different sizing of standing rigging make sense as to where the big loads lie.

Next up here for me is to make the other patterns and then gain some practice with silk span.   There is much mystery to this process.  I see videos that vary significantly. Some are recommending laminating layers over copy paper with all the markings.  Others just use the silkspan itself, paint and mark it.  I have no idea where I will end up. I bought the recommended booklet and read it. Now that I need it, I can’t find it…..sound familiar?


Related standing rig

 

  • ac-291   840228800_ac-291DSC_1065.jpg.8c6ccfcfaed29978be1d0f824017756c.jpg I said earlier I needed to buy some more chain sizes and do a better job with the martingale supports.  Here we are in a better size.

 

  • Ac-292   1124784823_ac-292DSC_1066.jpg.3bb71d2f0219d01d52e132ae1fa3f963.jpg I feel backing away that this view makes better sense as to where the load is. 

I have learned through some of my reading that the  issue with these schooners that became a limiting factor was the undue loading down to the bob stays. The New England 3,4,5 and 6 masted schooners all shared a common main support system. It started at the aft most mast head and travelled forward through the spring stays.  In four masted the spring stay from the main to the foremast were doubled.  In all these schooners the jib stay is doubled and runs down and around the bowsprit, which is then grabbed by the chain bob stays.  When many of these schooners failed and lost masts, it was the domino effect of the bobstay going and then all masts failing.  There are written discussions on the efforts to challenge the design, but all that took place too near the end of sail over steam.  

 

I believe today some of the multi masted cruise schooners all have forward stays and stay sails on the multiple masts making the gigantic 30–40-foot boom and gaff fore and aft sails of these beauties not possible.  The idea that kept them going as I have read it, was the following.  With the spring stays over the large fore and aft sails, that could be raised and lowered with a donkey engine, it was a very small crew that could sail the vessel loaded down with coal, lumber etc. The usual calculation I have read is 2 men per mast plus captain and cook. Thus, Ada Cliff would have had only 8 crew. 

 

Merry Christmas
 

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I am posting a few views to just catch up on where we are at the close of 2021.   Much time was spent on developing sails as my daughter came for the Christmas week and encouraged the activity.    In the meantime work on deck and rigging continued.

 

  • 293    1560405858_ac-293DSC_1069.jpg.9fc8e934832bfaa457e8e9d21816fd30.jpg here I have installed a gas engine house for the water pumps.  In the photos of the 4 masted schooners, a box just like this one is behind the third mast.  Others had a small house up on the roof of the cabin which was clearly not in any of the photos of Zebedee Cliff.  There is no way they were without a motor for the pumps as these girls all leaked.  I added a direct chain drive outside the port side fly wheel.  Thus the pump could be run by hand of the engine failed.

 

  • 294   1984230696_ac-294DSC_1067.jpg.563613c75a57c7002516b3ba50129709.jpg time to turn out the docking bollards and wheel heads for the main donkey engine that hoisted all the sails.  

Looking for the yawl boat.  Most schooners carried a yawl boat. The bigger ones  all needed tugs to get into the docks . In recent years the windjammer schooner Heritage uses its yawl boat to move in and out of tight harbors.   Therefore, there is some point where the yawl boat pushed the bow around and as the schooners grew in length , a point where they were effectively a launch.

 

  • 295.   518233942_ac-295adasailloccrop.jpg.c603f43153318c2862ccaaa1cf02ddd0.jpg here is the sail away photo of Ada clearly showing the yawl boat.

 

  • 296   2124550453_ac-296EEE_1198.jpg.31badda27373a9cfb3bb5cf13e93cb0b.jpg here is the yawl boat I built for Charles Notman a bigger Bath built Schooner.  The look is ok but too long.

 

  • 297.    775286260_ac-297DSC_1070.jpg.6ae6018f2f88bd6b2398201c916e08aa.jpg using the photo and scaling, here is a roughed out block that let me figure out the davits etc.


As we close out the year, we find we are nearly through with the standing rig and getting going on the preparation for the first sail.

 

  • 298.    1755948097_ac-298EEE_1202.jpg.ed5db7708eb30d7127bfc6a6aca14f4b.jpg here we are with the first pass of templates for the sails. More on that later


Happy new year
 

Posted

Happy New Year Jon. I enjoyed catching up, thank you.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted
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Post 34

 

Making my first silkspan sails part 1 paint, its color, etc

 

This episode has been and continues to be an adventure.   It went quicker than it might thanks to my daughter coming up to spend Christmas week with us.  Last year she got me through updating all but one of Bluenose sails. That wa on the sewing machine, This year we worked together, figured out our method, not necessarily the best, and got basic production done on the ten sails.  She loved painting hanging, then cutting them out and drawing those nasty little lines. I have to say it took two to do the larger sheets.  One person I believe would be limited to sheets much smaller and only one or two at a time.

 

Here is the trial-and-error method.  It followed advice several ventures onto u-tube and other blogs to find several “experts”.  It is not surprising there is quite a range of procedures. The main choice was to follow one of the basic options. I had followed the suggestion and bought the book for Sea Watch. I read it months ago and now have no idea where it went.  
•    Several experts laminate silk span over marked up copy paper.  
•    One expert showed making the sail with one layer of silk span.  There were discussions on different choices in thickness of the silk span.  I simply got what Bluejacket supplied and it worked great.…..we liked the one layer approach and went that way.
Second issue is to choose paint method
•    One expert said take acrylic artist paint, mix the color, spray water and then  and roll it on.
•    One expert said take a spray can and spray it on
•    One blog said latex works just as well as acrylic.    That means one can get a pint premixed and be sure of common color and have enough to do many batches. Also a Pint of latex is the same cost as maybe two tubes of acrylic, and living here in Maine it is a 45 minute drive to the nearest store that carries it.  

 

First up is the first method of using artist acrylic

 

  • 300    465492112_ac-300EEE_1203.jpg.1678245cf10ce465ce8c15c09c26afec.jpg  here we are mixing three tones. We knew we wanted ecru but were unsure if we needed grey to the mix.    We did one sheet and quickly switched to just ecru and white. 

 

  • 301.   1639165611_ac-301EEE_1204.jpg.999e4afc8201f55ed744cf59566a00b8.jpg here on our third attempt we spayed the right amount of water remixed without grey and went ahead.

 

  • 302   1150736344_ac-302EEE_1205.jpg.c9502a9d75545608d2ffca3fc5987d2c.jpg here my ringer guest is going at it.

 

  • 303   719292688_ac-303EEE_1206.jpg.5c6db4f749e3412ae2ff7a148627e89c.jpg here is this first batch drying.  Boy we lost a few sheets in this process and this one is a bit blotchy.

 

  • 304   1702857064_ac-304EEE_1207.jpg.aca56a9b44b92dfd61438f0dcdaec5ea.jpg here we laid out the sail patterns to see that we were making the right amount.  We decided to reject this batch as there were inconsistencies and other beginner problems.  I now have plenty of use for the material on smaller models at some later date.
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We took a couple of ecru and off white spray cans and tried a few sheets.  we found they became shiny so ruled out that procedure.  After reading that latex would be OK, we reviewed our sample and chits and went to get a pint of what we felt best replicated the shade of light ecru in the color photo

 

  • 305   1433657800_ac-305EEE_1208.jpg.5cb5cb65aac85a1df586a0b8b3ef7b11.jpg here is goes on.  We learned it is very different that the acrylic to apply.  Hard to describe just different. It is stickier and the time element requires speed as is sticks to the mat quickly.   

 

  • 306   62741658_ac-306EEE_1209.jpg.50c12a74ee578b607f37e843857f30ca.jpg here we are drying. The color consistency was much better.  We also learned not to wet nor paint the top one inch of the silk span, so it stays dry and strong for the hanging clips.

 

  • 307   1129839810_ac-307EEE_1210.jpg.55873ca966cde48c682b45843fe3fd95.jpg here is the test foresail cut out and lined.

 

  • 308   345597297_ac-308EEE_1211.jpg.3348e2608a051b519d2dae98ea20b27c.jpg here is the comparison of the first sail made with acrylic including the touch of grey with the latex out of the can.  One can see the consistent color and we thought the right tone against the white copy paper for comparison. the sheet under it is the acrylic.   

Next up is to get them cut out, figure out how to make them up and then get them bent onto the spars. 

 

cheers 
 

Posted

Thank you Tom

 

Now that I am installing them I have become a convert.   I  like working with silkspan and the ability to get something the first time is very encouraging. I can even think about covering u one of the hatches as they would have been under canvas when sailing.  we'll see.

 

regards 

Posted

Post 35

 

Making sails part II getting the sail trim process figured out and the first few sails in place.    

 

Thanks to my daughter’s vacation we got all the sails roughed out and started trimming them. After the fore sail we learned to cut out the sails roughly 1/8th too big.  They were then marked on both sides.  We used a homemade light table to do the second side.

 

  • 309.    158762582_ac-309EEE_1216.jpg.f735b5ed7965382bbb111110df7436c5.jpg here they are all cut out and lined

Next up was the trim work. The process that I have followed included the following:
•    Cut many strips just under 1/8 inch.
•    On the port side I ran a combination of strips and strings on the edges. I covered the stings with cover strips. These stings extend at each corner for connections.
•    On the starboard side a ran strips and then glued a bolt rope.

  • 310.   1092635557_ac-310EEE_1217.jpg.5ffe7741d5cce3ba8e04532704aae001.jpg here I am doing a little of each on the first three sails

 

  • 311   1465649136_ac-311EEE_1218.jpg.6fde1b0e042c792444b078a34f32a400.jpg here the fore staysail is lashed to its boom.
  •  

 In my past research in Lunenburg, Canada I learned from the captain of Bluenose that the method for bending sails on the recent re-build was copied from the original.  That meant the omega shaped iron hanks for all jibs and black wire wrapping the luffs to hoops that I saw was the way to go for 1921. At my 1:24 gauge Bluenose build, I was able to make little black omega hanks and sew them to the sails for the jibs.  Here they would have been too small, so I simply used black thread.  

  • 312.   1743783265_ac-312EEE_1221.jpg.bd39e249967ae49f6287f309db7c760f.jpg here we have the first two sails tied off to their stays .

 

  • 313.   1096888465_ac-313EEE_1222.jpg.6cf923949b273f7e0f173aaa462503ba.jpg here the first gaffed sail is  in place. 

 

  • 314    240190340_ac-314EEE_1222-crop.jpg.f837d0b2936277ed2fe7d66fcc513e1b.jpg I am trying to work all the related running lines with each sail as I go.  I found that the combination of the bolt rope and internal string and several strips gave a secure luff for sewing the hoops in place.  

 

So far all is going much better than I feared.

All for now   
 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

One should not to be surprised, things slow down a bit at this stage.  Rigging, making sails, starting the yawl boat. Moving forward, then oops, then fix then move forward.   Today I found a turnbuckle did not have enough open space to receive the little brass bar. Everything around it was done [ that was the oops]. I had to undo it, eventually cut it out and make a new barrel, so I could get the little bar in.  knowing sequence is truly a master’s skill.

 

 

Then later today I punched a hole in the spanker.  Perhaps the patch makes it more realistic.  Smile!

 

I made up a topsail and the realized it was the wrong one.  I am waiting for more Bluejacket blocks anyway, so no lost time there.   On we go

  • 315.   1950015165_ac-315.EEE_1224.jpg.e9c87981b940b70d5cfb80392dc0c125.jpg here is another sail on

 

  • 316  894316705_ac-316EEE_1228.jpg.adfc8bac3c50d0830e5bc7c137f19397.jpg  this one is fun playing with winter morning sun light. the blue background is just a big box cardboard.  I am still trying to figure out how to take more useful and fun photos.  Blocking the shop as a background I think is a good first step.

cheers
 

Posted

Jon - than you for documenting the sail making process, very educational.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Posted

Thank you Keith...it continues to be an adventure.   I have other adventures like copper tape on the bottom of some started brigs that still baffles me.  I will be back on those next winter....I hope   I may make them water line and add sails.    

 

 

cheers

Posted

post 36

 

start yawl boat and complete foresails

 

Moving along I find there are so many different tasks.  Each new task takes a time to start up.  Example is the yawl boat.   Last fall I decided to follow the lead of family members and switch from part windows, android and apple iPhone to all Apple.   Wow. It is not just a smooth move.  I kept my older windows set up in the shop so I could continue with the turbocad I owned.     Starting with the yawl boat, I had decided to buy turbocad for imac.  It is like studying French for three years and 20 years later moving to Brazil where French does not help with ones Portuguese.   I know that example as I lived it 10 years ago.  

 

I now have several guides and some friendly advice.  The apple version is very different from the windows version. First up is the yawl boat.    I will do it again in 3d, but to move forward at a reasonable pace I chose to work in 2d.   wow the apple version does not like 2d.     

 

  • 318.   697430230_ac-318DSC_1072.jpg.3f7a97e0230cdf81ee0d6bfd55176c93.jpg here is a printout.  Apple is definitely for the modern world and is not sympathetic to 2d.    nevertheless, I eventually got there.  I had 8 stations and the plan to work with.  I made up thick stations and added fillers to get close enough to the right lay out to move forward.  

 

  • 319.   1519302795_ac-319DSC_1074.jpg.87a665ff686de29a7dc67dadd2599925.jpg here after satisfying the set up….small mahogany transom included… I have prepped to add the ribs.

 

  • 320.   885353425_ac-320EEE_1239.jpg.4962f11ca9832f04a9d2a7ce04de39e7.jpg I soaked 1/32 ribs in water and let them dry before gluing.  Here the starboard side ribs are glued

We’ll see how it comes out 

 

Rigging the fore sails......There are many different visuals to refer to when researching each part of either standing or running rigging to determine what material to replicate.  

  • 321.   ac-321EEE_1223.jpg.1ae0abf2758ff31fcb36f46866784cd5.jpgIn this photo from the flyirails book one can pick up the sheets that wrap stays for the flying and outer jib were chain.   One sees here the small rings both on the stay or the flying jib luff that are laced.  Before jumping to emulate that detail, one sees the bob stays in this photo were spun steel cable.  On the Ada Cliff photos, one could see they were chain.  The omega hanks that I have assumed avoid the lacing of rings on either sail or stay.  I would imagine a pulling and stretching of the lines involved and a very difficult task to improve. The sail could pull back from the stay, not a good feature.     Therefore as others have said better than I , one needs to decide what makes the best sense and what therefore is to be modeled.

 

  • 322   2030671066_ac-322EEE_1241.jpg.5fac47a4cf79062375f951d1c9e7dd2d.jpg I used the chain bob stays and the omega hanks and chain for forward section of these jib sheets. i will paint the chains for a galvanized look

 

  • 323.   2090416914_ac-323EEE_1240.jpg.ebba57beab1f5a539d436afd78a572b8.jpg here all the forward sails are in place and running lines are in and made fast. the ratlines are in as well.

 

  • 324   1101785347_ac-324DSC_1077.jpg.40f84bf5b45bc1694408ec7849a53b5c.jpg here looking at the fore mast top all parts are in place.

 

  • 325.  805590780_ac-325DSC_1078.jpg.fd24da7d1c36323fb3047e4a6db43bed.jpg in this view one might note the farthest turnbuckle is unpainted.  That was the barrel I had to replace to get the little brass bar to fit.   

  
Ever onward.    Main mast is next when I get more blocks 
 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

a little progress as the missing blocks came in

 

326.  866035534_ac-326EEE_1249.jpg.9c0e55cc4053aa5364f2146e2fcf4f1a.jpg the sixth sail , or i should say the main is bent....  i am now thinking that I may stretch out the boom tackles to see if that helps with sail shape.     i am nervous at this stage to treat the sails with more material.  despite the look they are delicate.

 

cheers 

Posted

the seventh sail……

 

  • 327.   1941489786_ac-327EEE_1250.jpg.85ece400a2b0b2a20171afc139037fdc.jpg here we have the spanker bent. 

 

  • 328   965966010_ac-328EEE_1253.jpg.6617890b51c84d84b1ea3ab9b2d10694.jpg here we see the running lines and ratlines and all that fun stuff coming together.   In this shot I have engaged the boom tackles to try to better set the sails.

 

  • 329. 679139548_ac-329EEE_1254.jpg.af2ace4e8fa1a613b302ff4b21d03679.jpg here looking down the port side we see the boom tackles engaged.   

 

Posted
On 1/30/2022 at 5:13 PM, Jond said:
  • In this shot I have engaged the boom tackles to try to better set the sails.

 

 

Jon - I always struggle with making the sails look full. In the end I convince myself that its the end of a perfect day, the wind has failed and the crew have decided to partake in a round of gin and tonics before taking the sales down. This makes the set of the sails perfect.

 

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Posted

Post 37 

 

Complete bending all the sails

 

This post gathers the last few updates with this final viewing of all 10 sails being bent.  Yippee…
Our recent blizzard made it a lot easier to finish setting the sails.  There is now a ton of work to get the rigging all done, tied off and their coils hung.  Here they are

  • 330  57879530_ac-330EEE_1255.jpg.7b442caae1d5cc7819d4b6fbde906065.jpg the 8th.   sail 

 

  • 331.973581096_ac-331EEE_1256.jpg.524764600d17769782451e74960cc1e3.jpg  the 9th.     The yawl boat is coming along and sitting in place too.   It will get its own posting next time.

 

  • 332    1014615840_ac-332EEE_1259.jpg.e49c9dcda5518cc6d51b50058a989905.jpg the 10th and final sail.   This one had everything possibly go wrong. The halyard came off, the sheet chain broke, the stays had an issue and while fixing them a turnbuckle broke.  Putting in the very last seizing for the last hoop, the sail ripped.   I defeated the gremlins and there she blows.  Just in time for Chinese New Year..

 

cheers 

Posted
20 hours ago, Jond said:

 Living and sailing here in Maine each summer, we know well about 5 PM and the wind dies.   

 

Jon - In Scotland the wind always dies about 5 miles before the anchorage which inevitably means that the hook only goes down as dusk descends. Just as the last rays of sunlight fade the wind starts blowing at about 25 knots directly into the mouth of anchorage. My sailing pal says it is due to diaurnal variation but I just think winds are perverse.

 

20 hours ago, Jond said:

The halyard came off, the sheet chain broke, the stays had an issue and while fixing them a turnbuckle broke.  Putting in the very last seizing for the last hoop, the sail ripped.

 

Jon - That's not too bad. I find it much worse when i leave the model all ship shape and then turn up the next morning to discover all the failures.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

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Posted

Jond i was feeling your frustration in these last updates. Many of us have had to back up and restart. I am still feeling it from a restoration I am doing, I have been trying to diligently replicate the original modeler's techniques and failing miserably. Took several trys to get it!

 

Having said that, your model is a beauty Your persevrance has paid off.

 

Joe

Posted

Keith

 

I had fun looking through wikipedia and others to see if there were a sailing angle to you suggested phenomena diaurnal variation . Alas there was one

 

here in maine is is a rare eventing for the wind to come up like you describe. What we experience is mid day through the afternoon strong onshore sw breeze.  that is what made it so easy to go  " Downeast".  the Downeasters were square riggers fat and happy . many built after the Clippership rage ended.

 

I agree with you about the early morning blues.  fortunately for me,  when I come into the shop in the winter morning, and the sun is out,  it shines right in on the model and is a joyful wake up.   that's the good news. the bad is it highlight many things .  

 

 

cheers 

Posted

Hi joe

 

I have gone through your log a few time and applaud your stamina.    I appreciate your kind words.  I am now a week away from the punch list phase.   I am already looking at the next project ,but more importantly diving into deeper research at the historical society on the overall early ship building in our harbor.  I will be sharing some of it in next winter's project which is planned to be three brigs of boothbay.

 

cheers 

Posted

post 38
the yawl boat etc.

 

first let’s finish the yawl boat

  • 333   1179342635_ac-333DSC_1081.jpg.8be1a5da5f6fde2ce4b18a9935e9176f.jpg picking up from before, we see all the planks on the yawl boat. 

 

  • 334   402949691_ac-334DSC_1083.jpg.89695b80090a73c38fa9c34ecd2e3b72.jpg here we are all cleaned up the mahogany transom and the white planks.

 

  • 335   1895849287_ac-335EEE_1245.jpg.6a51ba724387bea4c97f402e4936f3f4.jpg here we celebrate removing the mold with  relative ease.

 

Now what are we trying to do on the stern to match the photo?  I have restarted my Historic Society research.  I am gathering the story of all the older Boothbay shipyards and the vessels.  I’ll do more on that in my blog next winter.  I got a much better resolution for the photo shared before of Ada Cliff sailing away.

  • 336.   851231_ac-336PHOTOAdaCliffthree-mastedcoastingschoonerCS3M002.jpg.59c9a7a0b4f2db7cd71c6bfe0b050e42.jpg here in the cropped view where we can see a few import issues.  The hale is clearly Boothbay Harbor. That is of interest as many Maine built schooners were for other markets.  I hope to find more history about her ownership now that we can see that it was very local.  The owner was the mayor of Somerville, Mass that brought the money to buy the yard…we’ll see where that story goes later.  Looking at the yawl boat there is a single gunnel.   The overhead plank is seen on another schooner to have oars slung below. This one does not, and the yawl rudder does not ride in place.

   

  • 337.   862657647_ac-337EEE_1258.jpg.8a00f4a32d0240eb0c5f175080fd90ad.jpg here we have the yawl boat resting in place.  The hard wood I used is very light in color, it’s like teak.  That would not have been used.

 

  • 338.   2098168580_ac-338EEE_1261.jpg.2b56f0edb82ecc720ac0b86f962f95cb.jpg Mahogany I have read was the marine wood of the time. I have some mahogany rub in color used for bright work on a real 1941 sailboat I had restored a few years go.  I am going to try to use it.  The paste did not work out well, so I mixed in some gunstock stain with it and hopefully captured the color. 

 

The point is to show...it was 1917 and the bright work would have been mahogany.  It’s not perfect but better than teak. I had carefully attached the rudder, but it looks like I need to detach it and set in inboard.    A few more details going on as we get near the finish line.

 

  • 339   364932925_ac-339DSC_1084.jpg.45fb3d5682e62c3be3ce641d47e85716.jpg I mentioned last time a hoop broke.  Here is my fix.  A little AC and scotch tape on the inside of one half then more AC and the other piece with a few prayers and it came back together.  

 

  • 340   826461061_ac-340DSC_1088.jpg.f34f4aef608bd401d17c1be43d217e82.jpg this detail comes from Douglas Lee [ Maine Maritime Museum}and his study of many similar and bigger schooners.   In his drawings he includes the diagonal strap to hold the load of the boom tackle. I compromised by adding just the bracket and kept the staple.    These booms are roughly 32 feet long. In the bigger schooners the booms were often more that 40 feet long.  I may have overkill here, but I want to show the logic of the boom tackle in action.   

 

  • 341   1102861548_ac-341EEE_1260.jpg.b09938ca3fd81e1c0ee9fefcca4d0b43.jpg  I shared this view with a friend today.   If one wants to count, there are roughly 730 knots to tie the 300 slats [ in lieu of ratlines] in place.   I know anyone who built a ship model would call that pikers work, but to us schooner guys it still seems like a tall hill.   I am using these last two as the barometer.  When they are done in a few days I will consider I have moved from building to a punch list.   there are roughly 60 lines to connect, lash and provide coils, and lots of clean up touch up and then to set her back on the ocean stand.    


Cheers 
 

Posted

Post 39

 

We are in the red zone, and I can see the goal line

 

This may be the second to last posting.  To add more than a finish record will come only if I find enough history to add a story of the life of Ada Cliff after she sailed away.    This posting is to record a bunch of pictures of an almost complete model.  I said once the ratlines are tied off, I would consider it done other than punch lists.  I found yesterday as I worked away and completed the ratlines, about three things broke.  That means each time I do some work I am likely to break something else.   I also feel completion will include taking the model somewhere and setting it up for discussion. Then I need to bring it home and fix what broke during the effort. That trip is next month to the guild.

 

I see no need to discuss each photo in this posting. There are a few things to point out that make up the punch list. In general, the photos show Ada Sailing first from windward [ starboard ] and then I turn her around.  One focus is to show the tackle rigging in use.  The sails clearly hang, so I am following advice from Keithaug that it is afternoon, near the cocktail hour, and the wind has fallen off.  Maybe I should paint out the few white caps……

 

the punch list summary

 

1.    The name on the transom is clear sticky label stuff with my printer going to work.  The problem is the ink is not set well, so if one touches it , it smears.   I have ordered the vinyl letters like I have used before.   $20 bucks more.  This issue I think is that black sticky stuff on black tended to work in the past but here clear shinny of satin white does not.
2.    There are about 50 more coils to make and tie off and few lines that seem twisted or crossed to be undo and rerouted.
3.    I have not yet purchased or planned for figures.  I typically use them in a permanent display.  I will take some for any showing, but as this is not a diorama so to speak, they are currently missing.     
4.    There are still several things that would benefit from a clean-up a touch up.
5.    I may…that is may ….take some silkspan and try to cover the hatches as they would have been canvassed while sailing.  More likely I will try it and if it works do it, and if I looks dumb just forget it.
6.    Make a little better fit of the hull in the sea.
7.    Complete research….that will fall into future studies I think….


Anyway, we are off to warm Florida for a week reprieve. I am clearing the shipyard for the reactivation of Dancing Feather a combined rc version refit and a small scale study model. I want to get them done and then next fall onward with the next Boothbay build. 
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Posted
2 hours ago, Jond said:

take some silkspan and try to cover the hatches as they would have been canvassed while sailing.

 

Jon - I find that for jobs like this rip stop tape works really well. Being self adhesive it is easy to work with and it take colour really well - either from acrylic paint or even permanent markers. I find painting before application is easier as it produces really clean edges. Being a fabric tape it retains some texture even when painted giving it a realistic canvas effect. 

 

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Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

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