jastrząb Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted August 28, 2013 More shrouds.... and dead-eyes. Any comments and suggestions? - be my guests WackoWolf and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 29, 2013 Share #32 Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) Nice work! Im getting closer to start with that part of the build. Im a little nervous tbh... So far I feel that I can relate the steps with scratching or kit bashing styrene models, but rigging will be all new. /Matti Edited August 29, 2013 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted August 29, 2013 Thanks Matti for your kind words! Rigging is OK . But now I'm thinking more about HMS Pandora (take a look at her please) and some unsolved questions. Regards, Paweł Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktime Posted September 1, 2013 Share #34 Posted September 1, 2013 Changing the colour of the dead-eyes rigging is a great improvement. Quote Al "San Fransisco I ", Bashed Al "Santa Maria", Scratch-built Chinese Trading Junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share #35 Posted September 1, 2013 Thanks Marktime for your opinion. I'm glad you like it. Now they look much "older". The same with ratlines. The colour changes the whole outlook:) Just like soaking the sails in the coffee or tea Cheers, Paweł Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted September 15, 2013 Getting ready for the ratlines... I think, I didn't exaggerated with the spaces between them. In normal scale it would be every 0.5m popeye the sailor and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted September 16, 2013 Share #37 Posted September 16, 2013 Looking good! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share #38 Posted November 23, 2013 Coming back again. Sorry for not writing but the work duties were so tough! I'm asking you to help me solve out a riddle. I have been searching for the sketches in my books (zu Mondfeld and Lennarth Pettersen) but I still have no clue what to do with it. Look at the ropes 62. They are doubled ?????? why?. Where or even HOW to attach them to the model (belaying pin). Any guesses? PLEASE help me. Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktime Posted November 24, 2013 Share #39 Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) 62 are the spritsail sheets, ropes that allow the the spritsail to be trimmed, i.e. to keep the sail filled with wind.. One end will be fixed to a cleat mounted on the inboard face of the foc's'cle bulwark and the other belayed on the belaying pin No. 62. These sheets are normally left slack on the model as there is no counter force to keep them taut. Edit: My interpretation of the Santa Maria based on the Martinez-Hidalgo replica has only a single sheet for each foot of the spritsail so in that case, you have a single rope to belay on pin 62. Edited November 24, 2013 by marktime Quote Al "San Fransisco I ", Bashed Al "Santa Maria", Scratch-built Chinese Trading Junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share #40 Posted November 24, 2013 Thanks for your comment. It's helpful . There will be more questions I think according to the poor version of the manual attached to the model Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share #41 Posted November 24, 2013 Sewing sails... I had to replace this silky cloth (attached by mantua- YUK!) by more natural-looking material. Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share #42 Posted November 24, 2013 creating sails... popeye the sailor 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share #43 Posted November 26, 2013 The visible progress of the sail (now it has been attached) popeye the sailor 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share #44 Posted December 30, 2013 Sewing a sail. The ones attached to the model were so awful... Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 2, 2014 Share #45 Posted January 2, 2014 Nice work with the sails! I may be stealing a bit of this when I get to the rigging. :-) - Bug Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Victory Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share #46 Posted January 3, 2014 Bug, be my guest If you find it useful, I'm really glad Moonbug 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share #47 Posted January 7, 2014 Dealing with ropes on the sail... This is my technique of dealing with knots on the ropes. If you find it useful and accurate - have fun This way the ropes are not loose. The knots are fairly tight both ways and they keep the rope in position NAZGÛL 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 7, 2014 Share #48 Posted January 7, 2014 Looking great, thanks for all in progress pics showing how you do it! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share #49 Posted January 8, 2014 No problem Matti. I get a lot of hints from this forum so I share with my ideas as well. Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 8, 2014 Share #50 Posted January 8, 2014 Nice work. Was the red design already on the sail in your kit, or did you add that? - Bug Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Victory Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share #51 Posted January 8, 2014 Hi Bug, The cross was the only good thing that was taken from the originail sail from the kit. I cut it out and attached to my own sail. Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 8, 2014 Share #52 Posted January 8, 2014 Cool, thanks. I'm still contemplating exactly how I'll illustrate my mainsail. - Bug Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Victory Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share #53 Posted January 9, 2014 I found different types of crosses. But what did it look like we don't know... Moonbug 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 9, 2014 Share #54 Posted January 9, 2014 Yes of course - and regarding the entire ship. I didn't realize how little actual information there was, and how much conjecture there was before I started this build. I assumed such a famous vessel would be easy to reference. But alas, no. That has turned the project into a fun history lesson, a very interesting challenge in trying to balance historical accuracy with aesthetics, and of course a fun build. There's a lot of "yeah, that could have been right" as opposed to the "that's the way it was" builds like the HMS vessels of later centuries. - Bug Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Victory Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share #55 Posted January 9, 2014 In fact, her outlok stayed unknown. A similar ship was curved on a gate of a church or something like this. Therefore you're correct that she's a bit s-f vessel. No mater which cross you have on your sails. Everything is possible. But I have to admit that Mantua's version and plans are really poor... Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie65 Posted January 9, 2014 Share #56 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Those sails are looking good! How many hours of sewing by hand has it taken you so far? I presume you are not going to furl them and hide all the good work? Edited January 9, 2014 by Craigie65 Quote Cheers Craig Current Build HMS Indefatigable Erycina - Vanguard Models Finished: HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft, HMS Pegasus - Victory models, Nisha - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share #57 Posted January 9, 2014 Hi Craig, I divided it into steps. The first step was to sew the "vertical lines" - it took me about 6 hours. Then I started sewing it around - about 3 hours. Next, I added a thick rope around and attach it to the sail - 3 hours. The last step was to add the small ropes in two parallel lines across the sail - about 1.5 hrs. You're right Craig, I'm not going to furl it. I read an article about furling and the easiest way is to shape the sail by cutting off the excess of the material and attach it to the yard. I have never done this before and I'm not going to take my chance with Santa Maria It's nice to read that you like it Any more questions - go ahead Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 9, 2014 Share #58 Posted January 9, 2014 The church model is the mataro found here: http://www.maritiemmuseum.nl/digitent/mataro/online/eng_mataronline.pdf which proved to be pretty helpful for me when constructing the head beam and prow of the ship. The Artesenia Latina plans and inclusions are pretty weak also. I completely abandoned the plans early and have since relied very heavily on Xavier Pastor's book "The ships of Christopher Columbus" as well as some other research. I just ordered the book "Vanguard of Empire - Ships of Exploration in the Age of Columbus" Roger C. Smith to be delivered to my library, as pointed out to me by marktime. - Bug Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Victory Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share #59 Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks Bug for sharing the website! I don't know why the people responsible for the plans are so inaccurate... Comparing to the Construct: The plans are good, but in my HMS Pandora (1779) there is a modern Union Jack... LOL Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #60 Posted January 15, 2014 Dealing with yard... I have created some wooden parts to be coiled around the mast. My wife gave me some very small bids to place them between these wooden elements. Sorry for the quality of the pics but it was late at night and my sight was not so good then Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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