Grating of 16th century English galleon - different method used?

[Rock_From_Korea]

Hi All,

 

I am currently scratch building Golden Hind and I am about to start on grating. So far I could not find any historical data on grating of 16th century English Galleon anywhere. All the build logs that I am referencing also applied more or less generic/usual grating methods. I am wondering if anyone has encountered any historical evidence of 16th century English galleon grating, be it the method usually applied or something else entirely. Thanks all in advance for your help on this topic!

Edited June 30, 2022 by Rock_From_Korea

[allanyed]

Rock,

The big IF, is do you want your gratings to look like real gratings?  If you do, you will have to make your own or can get them from Syren but I don't know if the scales offered match your kit.  Most kits either laser cut the openings or use  interlocking strips rather than using ledges and battens and most of these are totally out of scale. 

I suspect the construction would have been similar even in the 16th century.  If that is the case the below may be of some help to you.  Keep in mind the openings should be about 2.5" to 3" square.  Do a search on gratings here at MSW on how to make these.

Allan

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2022 by allanyed

[Baker]

3 hours ago, Rock_From_Korea said:

I am wondering if anyone has encountered any historical evidence of 16th century English galleon grating

No

 

But,

I do have a non-binding opinion about late 16th, early 17 th century grating  (post 406)

 

[Louie da fly]

I can't rely on the accuracy of this image, but it is contemporary - perhaps the 1590's - supposedly the capture of the Cacafuego by the Golden Hind. It's the only one I've been able to find. Hope it helps.

Steven

Edited June 30, 2022 by Louie da fly

[Rock_From_Korea]

12 hours ago, allanyed said:

Rock,

The big IF, is do you want your gratings to look like real gratings?  If you do, you will have to make your own or can get them from Syren but I don't know if the scales offered match your kit.  Most kits either laser cut the openings or use  interlocking strips rather than using ledges and battens and most of these are totally out of scale. 

I suspect the construction would have been similar even in the 16th century.  If that is the case the below may be of some help to you.  Keep in mind the openings should be about 2.5" to 3" square.  Do a search on gratings here at MSW on how to make these.

Allan

 

 

 

Hi Allan,

 

Thanks so much for the detailed pictures of how correct grating should be! Much appreciated and will be definitely quite helpful for my grating on Golden Hind.

 

Best regards,

[Rock_From_Korea]

12 hours ago, Baker said:

No

 

But,

I do have a non-binding opinion about late 16th, early 17 th century grating  (post 406)

 

Hi Patrick,

 

Thanks so much for your input! I wonder why I did not notice the different method you applied to your grating although I am following your build log quite closely. I think unless I find new historical evidence of 16th century grating, I may follow your footsteps. I hope you don't mind me benchmarking your grating method!

[Rock_From_Korea]

13 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

I can't rely on the accuracy of this image, but it is contemporary - perhaps the 1590's - supposedly the capture of the Cacafuego by the Golden Hind. It's the only one I've been able to find. Hope it helps.

Steven

Hi Steven,

 

Thanks very much for your input on this subject! I dug deeper on your picture above and I found the following description of the above picture in a book 'Sir Francis Drake: The Queen's Pirate' and actually the Caca Fogo is depicted as Drake's ship firing on Caca Plata. A bit confusing as in the same book 2 explanations are given : 1) in one account Caca Fogo seems to be a ship captured by Drake, 2) in another, Caca Plata is the Spanish ship and Caca Fogo is Drake's ship (new nick name obtained through Drake's Spanish captives).  Anyway, the flags seem to suggest that Caca Fogo is under English command, and Caca Plata under Spanish. I was planning to apply similar design (to Caca Fogo) for balcony and entrance to quarterdeck on my Golden Hind. This picture gives me some support for the direction I am heading at.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Rock_From_Korea