Dr PR Posted April 29 #121 Posted April 29 I suspect "they" call me some other things too ... In truth, I am just a student of schooner design. Coyote_6 and SaltyScot 1 1 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
SaltyScot Posted April 30 Author #122 Posted April 30 Ladies and Gentlemen, Fishing season is pretty much upon us here in the Northern Neck of Virginia. This does not mean that I will be stopping my build, not at all. But, the time spent in the shipyard will be reduced when the weather is nice and I can get down to my dock (or out on the boat) and fish (I love this sport!!). I got my rods out after the long winter off season this afternoon and got them all rigged up for the upcoming fun: Keith Black, Glen McGuire, Nearshore and 1 other 4 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Jolly Jo Posted April 30 #123 Posted April 30 Petri Heil 🐟 Keith Black 1 Current Build: Schooner Newport - Mamoli 1:57
Coyote_6 Posted April 30 #124 Posted April 30 Keith Black and SaltyScot 2 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
SaltyScot Posted Thursday at 09:11 PM Author #125 Posted Thursday at 09:11 PM Update on the shipyard..... (not so much on the build). I have decided to dedicate at the very least one day a week to my build. Although I enjoy being outdoors in this fine weather fishing, I find I am missing the serenity of my shipyard more than just a little. I was reading Marquardt's book "The Global Schooner" last evening, a book that I had borrowed from our local library but have since gone ahead and purchased for myself. The decision was made to not demote ship building to a bad weather or winter pastime, I enjoy it just too much. That and the fact that the CEO wants some more ships on shelves around the house GrandpaPhil, Keith Black, Jolly Jo and 2 others 5 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Coyote_6 Posted Thursday at 09:20 PM #126 Posted Thursday at 09:20 PM Awesome Mark. Good choices sir (year round modeling, a personal copy of The Global Schooner) - you will not regret either! Jolly Jo and Keith Black 2 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
SaltyScot Posted Thursday at 09:30 PM Author #127 Posted Thursday at 09:30 PM 9 minutes ago, Coyote_6 said: Awesome Mark. Good choices sir (year round modeling, a personal copy of The Global Schooner) - you will not regret either! Thanks, Steve. I could not put that book down last night. It is due back at the library at the end of this month and I couldn't bear the thought of not having it here on my shelf. I think I am becoming a schooner junkie Keith Black, Coyote_6, Dr PR and 1 other 2 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Coyote_6 Posted Thursday at 09:39 PM #128 Posted Thursday at 09:39 PM (edited) 9 minutes ago, SaltyScot said: I think I am becoming a schooner junkie A common addiction my friend. Edited Thursday at 09:40 PM by Coyote_6 SaltyScot, Keith Black and Dr PR 2 1 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
Knocklouder Posted Thursday at 10:18 PM #129 Posted Thursday at 10:18 PM A true junkie would have a double, two days a week and a single on the weekend lol Plus we need up dates as well, size, weight and length of each catch 😉 😀 Knocklouder SaltyScot, Glen McGuire and Keith Black 1 2 "Start so you can Finish!" In progress: Astrolabe 1812 - Mantua 1:50; Golden Hind - 1578-Air Fix. In queue: Pegasus - Amati 1:64 Completed: The Dutchess of Kingston - 1:64 Vanguard Models 🙂 Santa Maria - 1:64, La Pinta - 1:64, La Nina - 1:64, Hannah Ship in a Bottle - 1:300, The Mayflower - 1:64, Viking Ship Drakkar -1:50 all by Amati. King of the Mississippi - Artesania Latina - 1:80 Queen Anne's Revenge - Piece Cool - 1:300 The Sea of Galilee Boat - Scott Miller - 1:20
SaltyScot Posted Thursday at 11:22 PM Author #130 Posted Thursday at 11:22 PM 1 hour ago, Knocklouder said: Plus we need up dates as well, size, weight and length of each catch I think I can handle that, Bob Glen McGuire, Knocklouder and Keith Black 2 1 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted Sunday at 07:26 PM Author #131 Posted Sunday at 07:26 PM (edited) Good day fine people, I have been happily active in the shipyard this afternoon, images to follow later today or tomorrow. I wanted to share something with you (specifically @Dr PR and @Keith Black). I took the image in post #113 into Fusion and measured the rake angles, using the waterline just below the chain plates as a reference. Here's what I got: Judging by these angles the foremast on this particular model has a rake of 12.5º (90º - 77.5º) and pretty much 14º on the main (90º - 76º). So, going on what @Dr PR has suggested, I will use these rake angles on my build. I am also going to rig the mast steps as he suggested here (thank you Phil). Back to the yard, I just wanted to share this. Any observations or comments are always welcome. Edited Monday at 11:46 AM by SaltyScot Spell check Keith Black, GrandpaPhil, Glen McGuire and 2 others 5 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Dr PR Posted Monday at 06:22 AM #132 Posted Monday at 06:22 AM Mark, Because of the angle of the photo the actual angles would be a bit different if the photo had been taken parallel to the plane of the waterline. However, they would not be much different. 12.5 degrees for the fore mast and 14 degrees for the main mast is close to the average mast rakes for Baltimore clippers. These are good rake angles. Slight difference in rake angles are not critical - no one knows for certain what they were on the real ship. The transverse (port-starboard) angle is very important - it should be 90 degrees to the waterline, and it is imperative that both masts have the same angle - any difference is very noticeable. And both should be on the centerline of the deck, otherwise would look strange. On the Albatross I cut the mast hole in the deck level transverse beam very carefully and used round files to taper the fore and aft edges so the mast would have the desired rake angle. Then I made the lower sliding piece for the mast foot and with the mast at the desired rake angle carefully marked the center of the mast foot. After cutting the square socket for the mast foot I set the hull as level as I could get it. Then I put the mast in with the foot resting in the socket in the sliding piece. I moved the sliding piece back and forth (port/starboard) until the mast looked vertical. I did this several times using whatever tools I had at the time to measure the angle. I sweated bullets getting the main mast as true to vertical as I could. When I thought I had it in the right place I glued the sliding piece in place. Then I just set the fore mast to be in line with the main mast, vertical or not. Now I have a laser level (Bosch GLL50-20) that generates a bright red "+" marking horizontal and vertical. It would be easy to level up the hull and then project the laser beam down the centerline of the vessel. It would be trivial to get the masts vertical using this tool. And the laser level is perfect for marking horizontal water lines on curved hull surfaces. You can also use it for other jobs around the house (getting pictures hanging straight, adding on new rooms, ...). The GLL50-20 is about $60 on Amazon. Glen McGuire, cotrecerf, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
SaltyScot Posted Monday at 11:36 AM Author #133 Posted Monday at 11:36 AM 5 hours ago, Dr PR said: And the laser level is perfect for marking horizontal water lines on curved hull surfaces. Good morning, Phil, I have a list of tools that I want to add to my inventory, a laser level being one of them. I was using a digital gauge that I have in my woodshop to measure angles yesterday. It is a (magnetic) angle finder that sticks to my table-saw blade and gives precise readings when making angled cuts. I zeroed it on the shipyard tabletop and used it as a guide for the mast rake angles. The laser level will be a must for getting the masts vertical. I shall approach the treasurer about it this morning Glen McGuire, Keith Black and GrandpaPhil 3 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted Monday at 08:49 PM Author #134 Posted Monday at 08:49 PM (edited) A mixed bag of items on the shipyard itinerary today. Because I am building this model as the Musquidobit and not the Lynx I will not be doing the transom as it is laid out in the Panart plans: I will be following the drawings of the Musquidobit and therefore have to modify her rear end a little. Chapelle's book shows clearly that the bands on the transom were quite different: Because of this I decided to steam bend the wood to fit this (nicer) shape instead of using the form supplied in the kit. Before I could do that, I had to make a template, then a wooden form from that template that I could bend the wood around: The strip was placed in boiling water for 15 minutes then steam bent around the form. I taped it on and will leave it overnight to take shape. We will see how it looks on the morrow: Moving on I planked the inside of the transom with 0.5 x 3mm walnut strips. These were not supplied with the kit, I am guessing they wanted me to stain some of the deck planks which are the same size. Instead of doing that (I ran out of planks on my last build because I experimented with a few of them so I am a bit gun shy), I cut some of the outer planking they supplied (which I didn't use) and glued it on. I will cut the rear gun port holes back on once the beading is fitted: Following @Dr PR's suggestion, I mounted the plates onto the cross beams and dry fitted the masts, making sure the hull was as level as it could be. I measured across the hull and got them placed exactly on the centerline. That all went well. The masts will be glued into their final position once the deck is planked, I have a little wiggle room now (pun intended) to get them lined up in all directions correctly: Edited Monday at 08:52 PM by SaltyScot Spell check Coyote_6, Glen McGuire, Dr PR and 3 others 6 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Keith Black Posted Monday at 11:50 PM #135 Posted Monday at 11:50 PM The rake is much improved, Mark. I hated like heck saying something when you posted the photo of the first mast rake but after seeing the latest results I'm glad I did. 👍 Glen McGuire and Nearshore 2 Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
SaltyScot Posted yesterday at 12:27 AM Author #136 Posted yesterday at 12:27 AM 34 minutes ago, Keith Black said: The rake is much improved, Mark. I hated like heck saying something when you posted the photo of the first mast rake but after seeing the latest results I'm glad I did. 👍 You keep that criticism coming, Keith, and don't worry about hurting my feelings or anything silly like that. Without comments like those, how would I learn from my mistakes? Yep, keep 'em comin' mate Glen McGuire, Keith Black, Nearshore and 2 others 4 1 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Dr PR Posted yesterday at 04:22 AM #137 Posted yesterday at 04:22 AM (edited) Mark, Your mast positions look good! It was common on ships of this period to make the transom (fashion piece) a bit wider than the hull, and with a rounded outer edge. Then a decorative piece was placed against the hull planking and the front side of the curved transom outside the hull planking. However many schooners of this period had very little decoration at the bow or stern. Chapelle's lines drawing in The Baltimore Clipper (page 83) shows this curved outer edge of the transom extending slightly beyond the hull planking (the drawing in your post #134 above). Edited yesterday at 04:23 AM by Dr PR Keith Black, Jolly Jo and Glen McGuire 3 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
SaltyScot Posted 23 hours ago Author #138 Posted 23 hours ago 6 hours ago, Dr PR said: Chapelle's lines drawing in The Baltimore Clipper (page 83) shows this curved outer edge of the transom extending slightly beyond the hull planking (the drawing in your post #134 above). Yes, Phil, I noticed that too. Because I hadn't paid attention to the rear end "decoration" until now, I fashioned the transom according to the plans. It is now not broad enough to accommodate the overhang. I am not going to change anything, I will take a happy medium and get it as close to the edge as I can. Glen McGuire and Keith Black 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted 12 hours ago Author #139 Posted 12 hours ago The wood bending turned out a lot better than I expected. I was truly in the mindset that this would not turn out as nice as I wanted it at the first try and I would have to bend some more. How wrong I was. I am very pleased with the result: It does still need a little TLC to smooth out the edges where the more extreme bends are but all in all I am happy. Up next, I plan on assembling one of the gun carriages and checking out the height of the bulwarks in relation to cannon height. As well as that, the hull is ready to be primed and painted. That will be done before the deck goes on. I have decided to do below the waterline in a deep blue. Above, well the jury is still out on that one. Glen McGuire, Jolly Jo, Coyote_6 and 3 others 4 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Coyote_6 Posted 11 hours ago #140 Posted 11 hours ago That is very nice Mark! She's gonna be a beauty. Keith Black 1 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
GrandpaPhil Posted 10 hours ago #141 Posted 10 hours ago (edited) Mark, The Mosquidobit is looking really good! These schooners make amazing display pieces! Edited 10 hours ago by GrandpaPhil Keith Black 1 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted 10 hours ago Author #142 Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, Coyote_6 said: That is very nice Mark! She's gonna be a beauty. Thanks, Steve. I am happy to be moving onto something other than the hull now Keith Black 1 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted 10 hours ago Author #143 Posted 10 hours ago 43 minutes ago, GrandpaPhil said: These schooners make amazing display pieces! Thank you, Phil. We are excited about seeing her displayed in our family room. The spot has already been picked out. GrandpaPhil and Keith Black 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Dr PR Posted 4 hours ago #144 Posted 4 hours ago The transom looks good! Keith Black 1 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
Jolly Jo Posted 2 hours ago #145 Posted 2 hours ago Good job Mark, the bend looks really good! As an old the saying goes: The better the bending, the less the sanding Current Build: Schooner Newport - Mamoli 1:57
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