patrickmil Posted March 15, 2014 Share #1 Posted March 15, 2014 Hello to all. I have completed Niagara and am moving on up in the scope of building difficulty. I have chosen The Constitution for my next subject because I fondly remember building Revell's version of her years ago and I have always been in awe of this ship. I know we have quite a few of her being built at this time so I'm sure you're asking "What's going to be different here?" Like a few of the others, I'd like to show a full gundeck with rigged 24 pounders. I'd also like to incorporate some of the bulkheads and cabin details. Plans to light her up below-deck are also on the table to attempt to show off some of this detail. Part of my plans on the gundeck also include the installing the knees and riders. Now you may be asking "Why? Most of this will be completely covered by the spar deck" I'm doing it because I'll know it's there and I'd like to try my hand at seriously bashing a kit before the possibility of scratch building. I have not yet fully determined the time period I would like to model, but I have been giving some thought to modeling her as she was when she was new with the Hercules figurehead. The biggest headache with that time period are that the details of her configuration are even sketchier than how she was in 1812. My plans are all negotiable until I get to her stern anyway, so here goes..... I photographed the typical box contents and a few resources I'll studying. The last picture is of the main building board materials and a new toy. You may also notice that one of the pics has two false keels. I didn't like the feel of the one that came with the kit so decided that I'd make my own out of 1/4" ply basswood. This build is going to take forever as I plan on making many pieces from scratch and am ordering many aftermarket items like new 24 pounders (if anyone has any ideas where I can get these in turned brass, I'd be indebted to them), new 32 pound carronades (see above parenthesis) and some boxwood deck planking material. As always, thanks so much for looking in and all of the wonderful support this site has to offer. p_balag, riverboat, texxn5 and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djm Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2 Posted March 15, 2014 Great! I have the kit as well and would like to incorporate many of the same details; I'll be following your progress closely! Regards, d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted March 15, 2014 D, I'm very excited to be getting started on such a long journey. I've been salivating over this kit for the last year. The box has just been gathering dust and I don't have the space to work on two tall ships at the same time. You'll need to get your log started so we can compare notes as we progress. mobbsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted March 15, 2014 Share #4 Posted March 15, 2014 Nice to be along for the ride, I'm sure you will do an excellent job, and what a good idea to start bashing a kit before going to full scratch building, I'm sure you will learn lots of new skills just as I have now I have started full scratch. Will look in from time to time on your progress. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted March 15, 2014 Ben, I'm hoping to get some work in before the weather here in Ohio turns too nice and I am drawn outside like a moth to a flame. riverboat and augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted March 15, 2014 Share #6 Posted March 15, 2014 Hi Patrick Seeing as I missed out on following your Niagara log,I will follow along with this one if you don't mind.My immediate reaction is Caldercraft cannons.All turned brass and nice quality.I think it is a case of seeing if your cannons match anything in this link.Cannons of this period are roughly all of similar proportions,all dimensions increase in respect to poundage.Incidentally,I know of many on here who have ordered from this supplier for delivery to the US,delivery has been around two weeks providing they have the parts in stock. http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/caldercraft_cannons.html Kind Regards Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted March 15, 2014 Nigel, I thought of them and Billings. It's now mainly a matter of me measuring my kit's cannons to see what their dimensions are to see if they match. I was also wondering if Chuck's 12 pounders might come close. I am already planning on ordering a number of blocks from him to begin with. 1/76th scale is just an oddball scale in ship modeling. I will continue my research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force9 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #8 Posted March 16, 2014 Hello Patrick! Wonderful to see another Connie in the mix and your work on the Niagara indicates that this will be a terrific build to watch. Modifying the kit to reflect her earliest period is ambitious... You'll need to do some serious research. I don't know much about her earliest configuration, but I suspect you'll not need to find turned brass carronades... The ship was originally fitted with 18 pounders on the spar deck and the carronades came along later... I'll pull up a chair and settle in to watch your build progress... Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted March 16, 2014 Share #9 Posted March 16, 2014 She originally had a mix of 18s and 12s on her spar deck. When she first put to sea she had a total of 60 guns, according a contemporary description from one of her midshipmen. Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted March 16, 2014 Share #10 Posted March 16, 2014 I'm sure that you're going to do a great job on Connie, Patrick. You will find that the odd scale requires that you do a lot of measuring and searching when looking for parts such as cannon and their carriages to replace the kit parts. That has certainly been my experience with Essex. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted March 16, 2014 Evan and Russ, thanks for the input on that. Having no carronades may make getting her guns a little easier. I'll just need to read through AOTS and some other books I have to dig out of storage. Thanks for looking in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted March 16, 2014 Bob, I noticed you did an excellent job with your kit's cannons. Did you have to do any reworking or reshaping to get them to look so crisp? I'm looking at the ones in my kit and shaking my head. Thanks for looking in on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 16, 2014 Share #13 Posted March 16, 2014 And so the new journey begins, good luck with her although I feel your not going to need it. I'm going to come along for the ride and no doubt I will learn quite a lot. Well done on Niagara Patrick, she's a credit to you. Be Good mobbsie texxn5 and augie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted March 16, 2014 Mobbsie, glad to have you along! Trust me, I'll need all the luck and help I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted March 16, 2014 Share #15 Posted March 16, 2014 Good luck on your new build Patrick, sounds like you have great plans for an interesting build, will be ck'n in on your progress. Have fun!!! Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted March 16, 2014 Share #16 Posted March 16, 2014 I'm building a Conny, so I'll be watching your build with great interest. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #17 Posted March 16, 2014 Frank and Rich, I'm glad to have you aboard! I'll try not to drag this one on for too long. riverboat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 16, 2014 Share #18 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I'm looking forward to your new build with great anticipation. That scroll saw looks awfully familiar I have Chuck's cannons in both sizes. I could measure them up for you if it would be of any help. Best of luck on this new journey. Edited March 16, 2014 by Augie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted March 16, 2014 Augie, welcome aboard! I'm looking forward to making some sawdust later and I'm sure I'll be breaking in that scroll saw. Measurements from Chuck's cannons would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #20 Posted March 16, 2014 Hey Patrick, good to see you getting started. I'll pull up to the table with the Admiralty and the rest of the gang, for popcorn and beer. Yes Piet I brought you a Leffe. Great start with the log and congrats again on the Niagra. Funny, on my travels east last year, my first ship to see was the Niagra, then on to New England to see the Constitution and Henry, then down to Mystic to see the Morgan. I have the finished Revell Conny, and working on the Morgan, and The Niagra is the next build when finished with the Morgan. Good luck with the Conny and looking forward to following along. You'll get to break in that scroll saw pretty quick, might even wear it out before you finish....lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #21 Posted March 16, 2014 John, thanks for stopping by and welcome aboard. It's a virtual world so every seat is in the front row. If you're bringing beer I figure I'll request some bourbon then. The scroll saw will definitely get a lot of use. I need for the weather to warm up so I can put it through it's paces. Tonight I'll use my hand saw to start cutting out slots on Connie's false keel. On the advice of other's I ordered Commander Martin's book, A Most Fortunate Ship, and I found Ironsides! the Ship, the Men and the Wars of the USS Constitution by Charles Brodine Jr. I also was given a link to some valuable resources online from Navy records. The link is http://www.history.navy.mil/USSCTour/frDrawings.html. This has many drawings on it so I shouldn't have to order the CD ROM from the museum. The resources are piling up and I'm already starting to lean in favor on some decisions. I'm thinking the five window configuration is going to be what we'll see on my finished model. I've also found a rendering of the original figurehead courtesy of this website: http://www.civilwartalk.com/threads/winter-storm-hercules-in-boston.93938/. I'll guess we'll be putting my carving skills to the test. Desert Sails and texxn5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 16, 2014 Share #22 Posted March 16, 2014 In case you forgot what Chuck's cannon look like, here's a photo from my log: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3371-usf-confederacy-by-augie-ms-164/page-6 They come in 2 sizes, nominally labeled 1 28/64" and 1 11/64". I took the measurements from 3 of each gun and have given you the average, in inches. There is very little variation. 1 28/64 gun: LOA (breech button to muzzle) 1.4615 Muzzle diameter 0.1760 Breech diameter 0.2245 Trunnion diameter 0.0595 Trunnion length 0.3835 Distance, muzzle face to trunnion 0.7315 1 11/64 gun: LOA (breech button to muzzle) 1.1780 Muzzle diameter 0.1435 Breech diameter 0.1800 Trunnion diameter 0.0325 Trunnion length 0.3195 Distance, muzzle face to trunnion 0.5865 That should cover what you need! texxn5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #23 Posted March 16, 2014 Hi Patrick, Chuck's cannon's are superb. I had a discussion with him some time back, and he was considering making some carronades also, but he probably hasn't had much time to do so as he is quite busy. He did have a drawing of them though, so maybe by the time you get around to needing them he might have made them. Here is when a small lathe comes in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #24 Posted March 16, 2014 Augie, thanks for the information. It's come to my attention that I will be needing 30 24 pounders, 16 18 pounders and 14 12 pounders. I'll have to scale down measurements for the armaments to see it I can find something close. augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #25 Posted March 16, 2014 John, the small lathe is on the wish list. I'd like to be able to construct the capstan and other parts from scratch. The 48" lathe I have will not do the trick. I'll probably just see if I can find something close and if they need modified then so be it. texxn5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share #26 Posted March 16, 2014 Well, I was planning on doing some work tonight but while I was examining the false keel I started to cut out of one whole sheet of ply I found that I was rather hasty on getting the copies of plans attached and the reference lines don't make one straight line. I'm glad I'm double checking everything (there's some sarcasm there) before cutting. I'll have to grab another piece of 1/4" wood to do this now. Maybe I'll grab something that's solid rather than a ply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted March 16, 2014 Share #27 Posted March 16, 2014 Patrick, I ended up using the kit cannon barrels because I couldn't find anything the correct size. I did a lot of filing to smooth them out and drilled out the bore, but no drastic revisions. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share #28 Posted March 17, 2014 Bob, thanks for that. I'm going to keep up my search for something in turned brass. I always like the look of the brass cannons that have been blackened slightly for the look of bronze. texxn5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 17, 2014 Share #29 Posted March 17, 2014 Patrick--- you might try the Caldercraft site. Look under accessories - weaponry. They have a goodly number of brass cannon in 1:72 (pretty close to Conny). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share #30 Posted March 18, 2014 Thanks Augie. I will definitely have to check them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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