HMS Snake by drtrap - Caldercraft

[drtrap]

Now I realize that it's important for the fore (anterior) shrouds to be served for protection against wear...

Is this a basic rule for all the masts (including the mizzen mast)?

Cheers

[drtrap]

This is true...this photo tells all the story.

Only the anterior half pair of the foremast shrouds illustrated as served.

 

Should I serve the same way the mainmast and mizzenmast shrouds?

I'm searching my naval literature with no result till now...

Edited November 26, 2014 by Stergios

[jim_smits]

Looks like every shroud is served to just above the futtock stave with the anterior shroud serving extending to below the stave.

[drtrap]

Looks like every shroud is served to just above the futtock stave with the anterior shroud serving extending to below the stave.

That was my quetion Jim.

 

Now, I believe I must serve the entire length of the anterior shroud....

I'm not sure what;s the rule for the anterior shroud of the mizzen mast.

[egkb]

Not sure if this helps guys but it is my understanding that the Fore Most Shrouds are served over their full or almost full length to protect them from chafe as a result of rubbing by the Square Sail on that particular mast.. so probably not on the Mizzen Mast as (I think!!) there is usually no sail set there (I'm referring to the lower shrouds of course)

 

Hope this may be of some help.

 

Eamonn 

[Beef Wellington]

Stergios - Yes, in reality they probably were served, I'm guessing like Eamonn, with the exception of the mizzen because there was no lower sail.

 

However....you need to make a decision about how far you want to go with the serving.  I didn't serve any of the shrouds that were .75mm diameter or smaller for two reasons, it gets to be a pain to serve properly on the smaller line, and the result (in my opinion) starts to look a little out scale as the line looks noticeably thicker (which it wouldn't at full scale)

 

As always, the only clear thing is that there is no clear answer!

[drtrap]

Thank you mates for your feedback.

 

Jason, I don't want to go so far away with the serving.

That's why I'll try to serve only the anterior shrouds of the foremast and mainmast which are 1mm in diameter.

Cheers.

 

Stergios

Edited November 26, 2014 by Stergios

[drtrap]

A lot of testing before the final approach to the mizen mast shrouds.

Hypo gs cement glue is a more clear and clean adhesive util than cyano or pva, but a little touch up is needed to avoid some shinny spots from the cyano stabilizer of the hangman knots.

[drtrap]

The second jig was more stable and usefull, to me...

[Beef Wellington]

Looking great, very interesting jig idea.

[drtrap]

Looking great, very interesting jig idea.

That's right, especially for those 3,5 deadeyes....

[Kitzilla]

Quick question this kit. I noticed neither the instructions nor the plans mention anything about bearding or rabbet lines with this kit. Did you bother to cut and shape these lines, or was it not needed because this kit is coppered and will hide any imperfections where the strakes meet the keel?

 

Edit: And to tack on another question, I was inventorying parts and was curious about the parrel ribs. It says they are cast parts, but it looks like the ones I received were brass photo-etch? Is that correct, the same sort of thing that came with your kit? It also says I should've got 30, but there's just a single fret with 12.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Kevin M

[drtrap]

Quick question this kit. I noticed neither the instructions nor the plans mention anything about bearding or rabbet lines with this kit. Did you bother to cut and shape these lines, or was it not needed because this kit is coppered and will hide any imperfections where the strakes meet the keel?

 

Edit: And to tack on another question, I was inventorying parts and was curious about the parrel ribs. It says they are cast parts, but it looks like the ones I received were brass photo-etch? Is that correct, the same sort of thing that came with your kit? It also says I should've got 30, but there's just a single fret with 12.

Hi Kevin

Instructions and plans are so poor in understanding all the steps.

I cut and shaped those lines just to become more familiar with those procedures but I think that even with the coppered layer, bearding and rabbet lines were needed to demonstrate the right shape and curvarure of the hull and keel respectively.

Thanks 

[Kitzilla]

Hi Kevin

Instructions and plans are so poor in understanding all the steps.

I cut and shaped those lines just to become more familiar with those procedures but I think that even with the coppered layer, bearding and rabbet lines were needed to demonstrate the right shape and curvarure of the hull and keel respectively.

Thanks 

 

Thanks for the info. I'd done some more research in the meantime, and this was the conclusion that I came to as well.

 

I think I'll head out to the hardware store this weekend and pick up a little butt chisel to help with shaving the bearding line. 

[Beef Wellington]

Kevin - I used a simple exacto blade to do the rabbet which worked just fine and pretty easily into plywood.  I found on my 'Jason' build that the plywood does not hold the shape anywhere near as well as using solid wood so that is probably a factor as well.  I think unless you are doing a single planked admiralty model you'll do just fine doing something simple.

[drtrap]

A lot of testing before the final approach to the mizen mast shrouds.

Hypo gs cement glue is a more clear and clean adhesive util than cyano or pva, but a little touch up is needed to avoid some shinny spots from the cyano stabilizer of the hangman knots.

Hi mates, even I'm late wish to all of you a Happy and Healthy New Year!!  

 

I think that I'm out of scale with these testing laynards, so I'd like to ask you what size of rope do u use for the laynards as the best indicated ratio for the deadeyes and shrouds?

Thanks in advance.

 

Stergios

Edited January 21, 2015 by Stergios

[jim_smits]

Hi mates, even I'm late wish to all of you a Happy and Healthy New Year!!  

 

I think that I'm out of scale with these testing laynards, so I'd like to ask you what size of rope do u use for the laynards as the best indicated ratio for the deadeyes and shrouds?

Thanks in advance.

 

Stergios

 

I think I used 0.5mm thread for the deadeye lanyards.

[GuntherMT]

 

I think that I'm out of scale with these testing laynards, so I'd like to ask you what size of rope do u use for the laynards as the best indicated ratio for the deadeyes and shrouds?

Thanks in advance.

 

Stergios

 

Stergios,

 

On the Carmen I looked at all the pictures of actual ships (real or reproductions) I could find with Google image search, and then used the highly scientific method of "the size that looked good to me" based on the relationship of the shroud size vs. lanyards based on all the photo's I'd looked at.

 

At the end of the day, nobody is going to be measuring your line, so if it looks good, it is good!

[drtrap]

Jim, Brian

thank you folks.

I think that I need 0,25 line for the laynards...

Cheers!

[jim_smits]

I suspect I started with 0.25mm but found the knot at the end would pass through the deadeye still....

[Beef Wellington]

The plans say 0.5mm so thats what I used :-)

[jim_smits]

This ^^^^^^^

[drtrap]

Hi Jason!

Thank you again guys!

[drtrap]

Hi everybody.

Have you had any experience trying to apply wax to the ropes?

The micro wax layer that rests on the rope creates a undesirable appearance, especially to black lines/ropes...

Thanks.

 

Stergios

[Kitzilla]

I've heard that after you wax the lines, running a heat source over them will help the wax melt and settle into the fibers, reducing or eliminating its appearance.

[drtrap]

Thanks Kevin!

I'll try it and let you know the results.

Cheers

[drtrap]

Hi mates, now it's time to learn the blocks, hearts and collars rigging but searching my literature and surfing across the internet I can;t find any tutorial for the basic consecutive steps for the serving....

Any help or reference please?

Thank you

[drtrap]

..there must be a set of rules for the serving of such tiny structures, and (above all) of strictly specific (in mm) lengths...    

[drtrap]

Hi Snake mates!

A question in brief: for the mizzen lower-mast 0,75 shrouds, how many loops have i to create at the top (around the dowel)? Six (that is to say a loop for each single shroud) or four (for a double and a single shroud of each side)?

Thank you!

[jim_smits]

Hi Snake mates!

A question in brief: for the mizzen lower-mast 0,75 shrouds, how many loops have i to create at the top (around the dowel)? Six (that is to say a loop for each single shroud) or four (for a double and a single shroud of each side)?

Thank you!

 

Whenever possible I have done a double loop. In this case I did a double and single for each side.