CharlieZardoz Posted October 13, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 13, 2014 Greetings all! I am a beginner in the field of wooden ship modeling (though I have some experience through my grandfather who did a scratch build Santa Maria years back). My "noob" question is about beaded moldings and for clarity I took a few photo's off the Sultana Practicum (which I plan to start building shortly and very excited about). I'm trying to determine the best method to make them, tools etc. or even better if any model sites sell beaded molding strips already complete in respective scale. Thank you all and appreciate the learned advice. Charlie Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share #2 Posted October 13, 2014 BTW the practicum states he bought the piece at a hobby shop Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 13, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 13, 2014 You can unfortunately not buy the beaded molding any longer. That was a long time ago that I bought those. Basically you need to create a profile in a piece of sheet brass.or a straight razor. See below...its pretty clear. There are many ways to create the profile...needle files, dremel cut off wheel etc. I am sure others will chime in here. Chuck mtaylor, Bill Hime, Tuffarts and 6 others 9 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 13, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 13, 2014 What do you use to cut such fine (small) shapes into the razor/scraper - just small files? I've not been able to find files small enough for a lot of that detail, especially in a round shape. Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 13, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 13, 2014 yes...i usually just use my cheap a small files because the edge will end up getting ruined over time. I also use a small razor saw sometimes. I prefer NOT to use the dremel. This is what works for me but maybe others have different idea. That file in the photo is the one I actually used. The tip is quite small in diameter. Careful slow deliberate strokes. It takes a while. Chuck Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 13, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 13, 2014 Thanks Chuck. Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testazyk Posted October 13, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 13, 2014 Thanks for this information. Do you actually slice off the scrap wood like with a plane or is it more of a scratching and smoothing? Quote Tom Current: Sergal Sovereign of the Seas Previous builds: AL Swift, AL King of the Mississippi, Mamoli Roter Lowe, Amati Chinese Junk, Caesar, Mamoli USS Constitution, Mantua HMS Victory, Panart San Felipe, Mantua Sergal Soleil Royal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 13, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 13, 2014 No it actually removed material. If you use a soft wood it will not. A soft wood will crush into shape. But a hard wood actually scrapes bits from the strip. You can sharpen the scraper edge carefully by filing on an angle. This helps to remove wood as it scrapes. Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Thanks Chuck! The picture seems clear enough. Any recommendation for what woods might work best? I'm expecting this piece to be fairly small for the Sultana probably 1/16" Also best ways to keep the motion straight? Edited October 13, 2014 by CharlieZardoz Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted October 13, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 13, 2014 Chuck, what thickness of brass do you recommend using to create the shaper ? bbyford and CharlieZardoz 2 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 14, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) For small shapes, use escapement files (watchmakers' supplies or eBay). A piece of old hacksaw blade, softened by heating to cherry red and air cooled, makes an excellent and durable scraper. Light cuts with little pressure to gradually form the moulding are best: heavy cuts will tend to wander. Edited October 14, 2014 by druxey CharlieZardoz and Chuck 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testazyk Posted October 14, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 14, 2014 Thanks, Chuck! Quote Tom Current: Sergal Sovereign of the Seas Previous builds: AL Swift, AL King of the Mississippi, Mamoli Roter Lowe, Amati Chinese Junk, Caesar, Mamoli USS Constitution, Mantua HMS Victory, Panart San Felipe, Mantua Sergal Soleil Royal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perls Posted October 14, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 14, 2014 Hi All, Do you need to creat a burr on the cutting side like you do with scrapers? Thanks, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 14, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 14, 2014 The edge should be sharp enough to act as a scraper. It would be difficult to put an even burr on a tiny profile. If the scraper does get dull, hone the flat sides of it to restore the edges. jud and Chuck 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 14, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 14, 2014 Just as Druxey mentioned. It takes practice but after doing a few it will get easier. Chuck Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted October 14, 2014 Share #16 Posted October 14, 2014 Excellent info guys - thanks Quote Current builds: MS Syren HM Suppy Dos Amigos Completed: Schooner for Port Jackson MS 18th Century Longboat Bounty Launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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