mattsayers148 Posted October 31, 2015 #301 Posted October 31, 2015 Great job Robb! Here's a pic that may help. GLakie, mrangus, UpstateNY and 3 others 6 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
mrangus Posted November 1, 2015 Author #302 Posted November 1, 2015 Matt - thanks, this picture is awesome and summarizes it pretty well... I'll go for it and figure it out with this info... JesseLee, mattsayers148 and GLakie 3 Quote
mrangus Posted November 1, 2015 Author #303 Posted November 1, 2015 Here's what I came up with: dgbot, GLakie, mattsayers148 and 2 others 5 Quote
mattsayers148 Posted November 2, 2015 #304 Posted November 2, 2015 Very nice Robb! mrangus and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
dgbot Posted November 2, 2015 #305 Posted November 2, 2015 That looks better now for the rest of them. David B mrangus and GLakie 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
mrangus Posted November 6, 2015 Author #306 Posted November 6, 2015 Here is one side lanyards complete (except for the little one) I'm pretty happy with the way they came out. This includes the one shroud line that I cut a wee bit short and decided to live with it.... UpstateNY, mattsayers148, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote
JesseLee Posted November 6, 2015 #307 Posted November 6, 2015 That looks good Robb Elijah, GLakie and mrangus 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
Elijah Posted November 8, 2015 #308 Posted November 8, 2015 Nice Job! I think it looks great! GLakie and mrangus 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
dgbot Posted November 8, 2015 #309 Posted November 8, 2015 Nicely done Rob. Keep it up. David B Elijah, GLakie and mrangus 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
mrangus Posted November 8, 2015 Author #310 Posted November 8, 2015 Question: should I serve the stays that tie to the bowsprit (Foremast, for topmast, jib jack stay, flying jib jackstay) ? GLakie and Elijah 2 Quote
GLakie Posted November 8, 2015 #311 Posted November 8, 2015 I don't think they were "completely" served, if served at all Robb. The lines that have a "mouse" on them would be at least partly served I believe. It might be worth having a look at some museum replicas if you can find them. Elijah 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
mrangus Posted November 13, 2015 Author #312 Posted November 13, 2015 Got the mainmast shrouds all set up I did a better job of measuring and don't think any will come up short this time. Rigging is a slow process, but I'm getting better. getting these lines ready took half the time the the foremast took and I think they look better. JesseLee, GLakie, mattsayers148 and 5 others 8 Quote
donrobinson Posted November 13, 2015 #313 Posted November 13, 2015 It really looks nice and crisp, really coming together mattsayers148, GLakie, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus
mattsayers148 Posted November 13, 2015 #314 Posted November 13, 2015 Very well done Robb! Looks fantastic! GLakie, Elijah and mrangus 3 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
mrangus Posted November 14, 2015 Author #315 Posted November 14, 2015 Thanks Don and Matt! I'm quite pleased with how good the served lines look especially where they hook around masts etc. Unfortunately I've gotten too low on my dark brown stays rigging and will have to get more.... I probably should've used a different color (like white) for the shrouds fpr them to stand out a little more but I went with Chuck's rope... I did go with larger rope (than the lines I use for the seizing) and you can tell somewhat in the closeups. To put sails on or not to put sails on... my daughter wants me to - but with all this rigging I'm thinking it's going to hide a lot of the detail. is furling sails worth the effort? Do you have to build the sails like you typically do and then furl? I haven't seen much on this subject in the areas I've poked around..... GLakie, mattsayers148 and Elijah 3 Quote
dgbot Posted November 15, 2015 #316 Posted November 15, 2015 Nothing wrong with furled sails. To make the bundle closer to scale just remove half the sail and furl it. Experiment and take a look at ships with their furled sails to get an idea for what you are going to do. David B mattsayers148, GLakie and Elijah 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
mattsayers148 Posted November 15, 2015 #317 Posted November 15, 2015 Here's a link that may help in deciding the direction for your sails. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3944-landlubber-mikes-technique-for-furled-sails/ dgbot, GLakie, JesseLee and 1 other 4 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
mrangus Posted November 19, 2015 Author #318 Posted November 19, 2015 Another milestone met... I got all the shrouds in place. spent the time to serve and seize the lines bases on some examples that looked nice, don't know how accurate it is, but I'm satisfied with the way they look. One issue I keep running into is how the top deadeye rotates a bit when I tighten up the lanyards. I couldn't figure out the physics of why - so I just twisted them a bit until they looked reasonable. On to the lines that the sails are on (stays?). I believe that they are supposed to all be served but I'm not going to do that. I will only serve the ends that tie to the mast/jib/etc. It's also a puzzle on how to add the lines to get everything "tight'. Matt and David thanks for the ideas on the furled sails. I think I might head in that direction. It still feels far away..... dgbot, Elijah, GLakie and 4 others 7 Quote
Burroak Posted November 19, 2015 #319 Posted November 19, 2015 Rob your ship looks very nice. Keep up the great work. Greg mattsayers148, mrangus, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote GREG H.
mattsayers148 Posted November 19, 2015 #320 Posted November 19, 2015 Once again, looks great Robb! What I'm doing to deal with getting everything "tight" is I'm not tightening any of the lanyards until all of the standing rigging is in place. Then I can systematically "tighten" the lanyards and true up the masts. As for the twisting of the top deadeyes, for me it came from the throat whipping. I had to crank down while doing the throat. Then push the whipping down while pulling up the tail end. Then do the straight whipping, all the while keeping the deadeye straight. Elijah and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
JesseLee Posted November 19, 2015 #321 Posted November 19, 2015 Looking good Robb. I had the same problem with the twisting. Matt, thanks for the advice about the throat whipping. Jesse GLakie, mrangus, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
mrangus Posted November 19, 2015 Author #322 Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks Greg and Matt! Matt - it's funny now that you described, very simply, the process you are using, it makes complete sense. Use the lanyards for what they were intended.... what a concept! Oh well too late for my boat (because I'm NOT going to undo and re-do all the shrouds! ) It's the instructions that came with the boat.... they have pictures of rigging in successive order and first step is shroud rigging. I remember from Jesse's blog that he ran into a heck of a time keeping everything tight, and shared a trick of wetting down the ropes and blowdrying them (which I may resort to after all standing rigging is in-place.) Your way makes a lot of sense. mattsayers148, GLakie and Elijah 3 Quote
mrangus Posted November 19, 2015 Author #323 Posted November 19, 2015 Jesse I just saw your post after I wrote, it had gone onto the next page and I missed. Thanks for the note, as I said before I'll be using the hairdryer to get those lines a bit tighter... they're a tad loose now... I'll also be working off your examples of the yards soon enough, once the stays are in place. I'm thinking of furling the sails - at least some of them. Did you serve the stays for the jib sails? or just the ends where they are attached? Elijah, mattsayers148 and GLakie 3 Quote
JesseLee Posted November 20, 2015 #324 Posted November 20, 2015 Since I didn't have a serving machine I did as little of it as possible. I think I wanted to do the whole line but I just did the ends because it takes so long to do it by hand. Jesse Elijah, GLakie, mrangus and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
mrangus Posted November 21, 2015 Author #325 Posted November 21, 2015 I did a little reading and see that many people just serve the ends of the stays - so for practical purposes, that's what I did. GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote
mrangus Posted November 21, 2015 Author #326 Posted November 21, 2015 Oops forgot to attach the images GLakie, UpstateNY, GuntherMT and 6 others 9 Quote
mattsayers148 Posted November 21, 2015 #327 Posted November 21, 2015 Beautiful! Elijah, GLakie and mrangus 3 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
JesseLee Posted November 21, 2015 #328 Posted November 21, 2015 Good work! GLakie, mattsayers148, mrangus and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
UpstateNY Posted November 21, 2015 #329 Posted November 21, 2015 What Matt and Jesse said! Lovely work! Cheers, Nigel. Elijah, mattsayers148, mrangus and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Logs: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section, USF Confederacy Model Shipways Completed Log: Red Dragon Artesania Latina Gallery: Red Dragon: Artesania Latina Member: Nautical Research Guild
S.Coleman Posted November 22, 2015 #330 Posted November 22, 2015 Very neat and tidy rigging work. Looks uniform. Well done. I especially like the line on the port side cathead how it droops down. mattsayers148, Elijah, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard
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