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HMB Endeavour by shipaholic - Eaglemoss - 1/51 - Bashed partwork

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Hi Alistair

Thanks .

The hooks are just copper wire, I blackened them after fitting to the block, that way the blackening isn't scratched off when bending the wire to shape with the pliers

 

Steve

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Looks great. Funny how the sketches show bumpkins and the hood over the bowsprit but the AOTS doesn't. I've just tried my own hooks for the first time but just not to your standard. Really impressed old boy.

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Hi Steve
Thank you for your comments on my build
I am following your build as I am fairly certain now that the OcCre kit and the Eaglemoss parts kit are as close to being the same kit as possible
I am very interested in how you will alter the ship slightly
I have to admit I am a bit lost when you start talking about the different plans for the ship  :huh:
 
I was going to follow OcCre instructions and I am afraid that finances do not permit me to buy different parts
No doubt I will get a good looking build eventually
I have to say I am now a little more worried about getting the planking right as I have been reading the tut here about building bluff bows like the Endeavour
There was talk of using wider planks, hooking and other stuff
Makes my poor old withered brain spin  :mellow:
 
I will get there though somehow
I just hope it's half as good as yours  :dancetl6:
 

 

Keep it up  :10_1_10: 
Mick

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Hi Mick, 

Yes the OcCre and this kit are basically the same, except your OcCre kit probably has different instructions. My Endeavour is almost a scratch built model using the kit as a base, I have modified lots of things, bought different fittings and scratch built lots of parts so it looks a lot different to an Endeavour built from an OcCre kit or Eaglemoss partwork. I have gone back and basically researched the ship myself and I am basing my build on the original plans (draughts) drawn when the Endeavour was rebuilt for Cook's voyage in 1768. There are two main other references for Endeavour used by modellers and kit manufactureres these are the books "Anatomy of the Ship - Captain Cook's Endeavour" by KH Marquardt and "HM Bark Endeavour" by Ray Parkin. Both books contain invaluable information about the ship but I don't believe they are 100% correct, the fact that they disagree with each other in so many details and differ from the original 1768 plans in many ways leads me to that conclusion.

Planking, yes planking the Endeavour is difficult because of its shape, so you need to use lots of stealers and tapered planks. I still have lots of pics taken during my planking effort if you want me to post them let me know. But agin I didn't follow the instructions entirely because I fitted the planks on the sides above the main wales so that they curved like the planks on a real ship which made the task a bit more difficult.

Cheers

Steve

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Hi Steve, your build is very inspirational.

 

I just asked Greg what he uses for blackening his brass work.  Do you mind telling me what you use also.  I had a half hearted  attempt at finding Aussie available stuff but the hit or miss results described throughout the site made me decide on painting but getting fed up with retouching the scratching as you mentioned.

 

Cheers

Slog

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Thanks for the quick reply Steve.  There is a gun shop about 15 mins away from me so will check them out next weekend.

 

I noticed you mentioned using the blackening after the brass is attached to the blocks.  Does the solution change the blocks in anyway, like maybe the colour or the surface etc.

 

Cheers

Slog

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Hi Slog

 

I laquered the blocks first with varnish stain which makes them waterproof so the blackening liquid doesn't stain the wood. I intend to laquer all the blocks on my model, when I built my AL Endeavour I sanded each block to shape individually and laquered them, a lot of work but they look pretty realistic. I'll be using Chuck's blocks on this model so not so much tedious sanding this time :)

 

Steve

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Sunday, raining and cold outside so I lit the wood heater in my garage and went to work to finish making the gun carriages.

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Hi Steve

Thanks a lot for the offer

I think any help or ideas would be a step forward

I have just spent a bit of time inspecting the replica Endeavour and realising I can't copy that as they probably shaped most or every plank to fit  :mellow: 

I have looked carefully at the OcCre instructional photos and there are a lot of points but I can't see a way round that without having shaped planks and I don't really have the hardware to do that accurately enough  :( 

I am doing a bit of experimenting as I put this layer on but unfortunately my knowledge in this area is just not high enough to see a way round it

I am intending to finish this layer as I wait for the Beech and Walnut to arrive and then start the top layer when I get back from my week away in about a fortnight

I will definitely appreciate any help going  :) 

I can see the Beech going on quite well as the top 12 or so planks do not go through any nasty angles

It's the walnut  :o 

As you know bottom half of the planking has several nasty angles so as I keep saying any help or advice will be well received

Be careful with some of the terms though as not having the knowledge there it could just fly over my head and hit the wall with a very soggy slap  :piratetongueor4: 

Thanks again Steve

Enjoy doing your carriages  :cheers: 

 

Keep it up  :10_1_10: 

Mick

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Hi Mick

I dug into my archive and here are a few pics of my planking from a long time ago, I pretty much followed the instructions for the first layer and the darker bottom planks, the planks on the sides I layed to follow the lines of the ship instead of just hrizontal. You need to cut a fair few planks to a tapered shape to fill in the gaps, its a bit tricky getting them exactly the right shape and its really noticable when you don't on the dark planking, a bit of trial and error sometimes.

Steve

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You have it virtually as I invisioned it  :) 

All I need to do now is do that in practice  :piratetongueor4: 

I will pin those pics up on the wall when I am doing iy

Thanks a lot Steve

 

Keep it up  :10_1_10: 

Mick

 

P.S.  One question Steve

Do you put any pressure on the planks at all or are they exactly how they would lay??????????

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Hi Mick

 

The dark bottom planking was layed without pressure just following the curve of the hull. The upper planks on the sides was a different matter, I was trying to get them to curve upward to follow the lines of the ship and being such thin wood the planks just wanted buckle so I had to coerce them to stay flat by using lots of pins and clamps. I used PVA glue for the planks but every two inches I put a spot of CA for quicker grip.

Cheers

Steve

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Ok Steve, thanks

I will have a bit of an experiment

I am thinking a good soaking will help

Did you use regular size strips????

I was thinking of using three sizes somewhere around 70 - 100 - 130mm, how does that sound

That gives plank sizes of 4 - 5 - and 6.5 meters

My only worry there is whether I should use a shorter one about 40mm or would that be TOO short

I have been using a white carpenters glue and contact adhesive

It's a question of leaving the CA glue long enough so that it grips firmly on touch

Thanks again for the help Steve

 

Keep it up  :10_1_10: 

Mick

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Hi Mick

 

I just used the planks as they were supplied, 250mm long, but made sure I staggered the joins.

 

Steve

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Hi Mick

 

I just used the planks as they were supplied, 250mm long, but made sure I staggered the joins.

 

Steve

 

Ah I see

OcCre send 600mm lengths and the Beech and Walnut come in meter lengths

I will have a think about it and play about with what I have now to get a good look

 

Mick

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Hi I have just rediscovered, the site after old one was pulled down and all my pics (Victory and Endeavour build were lost to cyberspace)

lookinf awesome. I will try and figure out how to post proggress on my Endeavour. I have done quite a bit scince the old site was pulled down. I have been floundering for ayear on my own, it feels like I have found my family. Post soon i hope.

 

kindest regards Mike

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Welcome back, Mike! Look forward to your Endeavor's return!

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Hi Mike

I wondered what happened to you, can't wait to see your updates.

Steve

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I finished all the woodwork on the gun carriages, they look a bit rough in the close up pics, I have started painting them. Next job after painting is to fit all the eyebolts, rings, bolts and then the tackle. A lot of work these guns.

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I'm still working on the guns, today I made 12 hooks using copper wire and blackened them. I made up the first tackle using 4mm blocks, I think I might need to use slightly smaller blocks they look too big.

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Wow those guns look real. And i love the sizing work on the bowsprit. Inspirational. thanks Mike

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Thanks Mike, yeah those gun barrels are real good, I got them from Chuck at Syren. 

Steve

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Your cannons look great. Hate to suggest the magnification required...but 3mm or 2mm (best) blocks will unclog the assembly. The bugger is that they are extremely hard to assemble! This is my cannon assembly at 1:48 scale with 3mm blocks. They burned me out but I was pleased with the look.

 

Cheers

Alistair

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I too am planking my Supply with the planks following the line of the hull, but well worth the effort, I reckon.

Thanks for the pics of your build.

Errol.

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Lovely work on those cannon Steve

They do look as good as they possibly could

Are you putting blocks on each cannon

My instructions only shows the retaining ropes, I presume you are going from what was shown in your plans

I see what you mean about the blocks being a little large 

You would need tiny ones to make it look good

I hope you can get it sorted

 

Keep it up  :10_1_10: 

Mick

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Cannon look really good nice work on those hooks.  Well done.

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Thanks Mick, Chuck

 

Chuck, those single blocks on the tackle are yours, the doubles are mine (only because yours havent arrived yet). Those hooks are so hard to get right cos they're so small.

 

Mick, yes I am intending to fit all guns with tackles, gonna be a lot of work!!

 

Steve

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Thanks Mick, Chuck

 

Chuck, those single blocks on the tackle are yours, the doubles are mine (only because yours havent arrived yet). Those hooks are so hard to get right cos they're so small.

 

Mick, yes I am intending to fit all guns with tackles, gonna be a lot of work!!

 

Steve

 

So do the tackles replace the retaining ropes or do the ropes stop the cannon and the tackle pull it back???

 

Mick

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