kirill4

Thanks Marc,

It is not yet completed ... need good final push /kick to me to complete - remaining  flags,anchors ,swivel guns ,braces lower sails and think how to manage stands... some minor things  remains but I feel no power  to fix them :))) 

looks like much easy to press buttons on pc :)))

next project most probably english elizabethian galleon - want to make some conversion of airfix GH ... will try to transform it to the  size and shape of "Revenge" or "Elizabeth Jonas" galleon ... I think this kit is the most accurate kit represents elizabethian galleon , almost exactly reproducing famous Baker 's picture of galleon 

consider pictures I posted above there some thoughts regarding correct position of main stay ( probabbly fore stay as well) :)))

Good day Bill,

It looks nice! more correctly than kit offers :)))

just for information and inspiration some fotos of Mayflower II , GH and Dufken replica I found in the book and @ flickr @ resource

it looks good and accurate, is it like N170 knot from the page posted above?

if I not mistaken,for big,heavy anchor often used knot N169 from the same illustration

as example VICTORY anchor 

Thank You very much  Tomasz  for your attention to my project and remarks

Good day   Dear Bill,  

  Please consider my remarks as... just remarks of outsider vewer 😄...   not like demands that You must do it in this way only and no step aside allowed !  In no way I expected my remarks will "...adding the stress and anxiety over wanting to make sure every line, block and piece or of the authentic size, color, and scale....." 
 Funny thing, that from my point of vew , this part of assembling model which consists of collecting information and searching how things should looks  like and how they work, this is  the relaxing enjoyment😁😁

Rigging diagrams from the kit which You posted, looks  quite accurate and correct in general,

however some things shown probably wrong or excessively simplified and schematic for such big scale...

please check this knights placed near the bases of the masts - they supposed  for main sails or mizzen sail tie halliyards but not for the main topsail braces as shown in the kit

coming back to this lines n6 and n7 as per kit rigging manual ,  there is no scence at all to arrange them by this way , this is enigma for me, why kit shows it like this? Looks like kit designer missed something in this part of rigging :)))

Bosco72,

I didn't reach this stage on my model yet \

I saw anchor hitch knot need to be made ...and  planned to try to do it as shown in Mondfeld  or Landstrem "Vasa" book.

May be will do it on this week...

replica rigging plan 

I think it will not be wrong if You make it the same lenght as top mast height

 Tomasz,

By my opinion, there are a few ways to make rigging:

*to build exactly as suggested in your kit

*to build as existing relica

*to build as suggested in the books Andrson and Mondfeld- regarding proper rigging arrangements but maybe not exactly as your model kit suggested

*to build as Mayflower II rigging

*to build as Aker siggested| developed by eugen.t in his reconstruction 

to avoid repeating all the same information  again

please check recently posted drawings in nearby treads of GH and Mayflower buildings as we discussed  rigging variants just a few days ago...

from my point of vew there is most interesting rigging plan for GH made by eugen.t based on Aker reconstruction...

Golden Hind-T5A1.pdf

Please check and read nearest treads about our friends building the same model as You are busy with :)))

Good day ,

Dear Tomasz,

Your model looks very nice... however  I would reccomend to read this GREAT book written world famous author(in ship model making and history receach) which will help You a lot!

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JU7C/bVhk9VrXn

There You will find description od every rigging line You will need to arrange on Your galleon model ...

All The Best!!!

Kirill

Dear Bill,

I'm very sorry :)))

but have some thoughts...after watching Your model fotos...

May be there  is sence,  to avoid making mistakes,   to  spend approx 20 min. to read Anderson book?

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JU7C/bVhk9VrXn

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just read relevant page about each of rigging lines before You will start making any rigging lines.?

.. of couse if it is matter /important for You, to make rigging more or less in right way and study 17 century rigging practice?

if not , and You want just assemble this kit - please continue by Your own taste :))) and kit instructions ... it will be good as well!!!

Of couse first of all it is your model ! and You have to get pleasure during working with your model!

All The Best!!!

Kirill

standing rigging thickness.xls

this kind of knob more suitable for ordinary , let' s say , standing parts of running rigging...in case You want to secure cable standing part of tackle running rigging to the ring bolt on the deck , for example...

Good day,

Dear Bosco72,

As far as I know ahchor cable siezed to the anchor with special knot ,

please tell us why did You choose this kind of anchor cable attachment?

picture from this book... just as example , this knot used during centures to secure anchor's cable...

traditionaly, there is certain sequince in fitting rigging settled trough centuries :)))

and this is probably  most convenient way in rigging:

first standing -

*side tackles pendants and main stay tackles pendant

*shrouds

*stays

*backstays

their loops on the mast head have to be placed one above another

second stage fitting running rigging,

on the model I think there is not such strict secquince as in fitting of standing rigging, running rigging could be done in much convenient way...

but logicaly it could be done from bottom to top of the masts fore>main>mizzen 

*spritsail

*rigging main sail

*topsail

*topgallant sail,etc.

braces and bowlines could be finaly fitted in last turn ,when all sails will be at place...

depends on available resources... best results will be by making all ness-ry sizes yourself using rope making machine...on the market we could find many differnt kinds of such devices from very primitive construction and cheap price to high tech very expansive machines ...funny things that final results will be almost the same doesn't matter which kind of rope making device were used :)))

Actually standing rigging is not black...may be dark brown ,as natural hemp tarred looks like?

Running rigging same material but not tarred - should be kind of light ochre-brown color?

But You will need much more different sizes of treads for making good looking rigging, obviously two is not safficient!:)

roughly say , You be need about 10-12 different sizes of the ropes...

and by my opinion ,that treads from the kit ... better don't to use them :((( they have too much "fur" ,on the model they will not looks nice and just will spoil perfectly assembled and painted hull...if possible need try to find treads with smooth surface...

Class!!!

Thank You!!!

backing to lowering topmast we could look at the drowing from Ab Hoving book again - there is special mechanism designed for that

Yes,correct...

topmast need to be remained moveable... it is often lowering down on real vessel of that period, if weather getting worst and serious storm is coming topmast could be lowered down...

Of couse if construction of topmast allowed to do this...at least in 17th century it was common practice as I know....early galleon of 16 century most probably didn't have such option due to there was different type of connection between mast and topmast, kind of permanent connection...

I would reccomend first to complete standing rigging, and than to start running rigging ,not vise versa

it will be easy for installation...

treads which You use have too much "fur" ,it seems strange on the pictures...don't You consider to make some treatment or even start to  use another kind of treads, without fur?

I know Gutermann treads " tera " serie quite good in this respect...

Peterson shown us how to rigg shrouds in exploded vew..,however first pair shown fitted at place, around masthead...

please note first burton pendants need to be fitted,than shrouds...

Did You fitt that pendants for side tackles?

there are some pictures from Ab Hoving book... it is about Dutch shipbuilding ,but in principal rigging the same as used in Mayflower case

Oh! I understood!:)))

If You would follow  assembly instructions it should be OK!:)...

they are very simplified and not supposed shrouds loops creating at all...

but if followed second picture from Peterson book( which tells us how it should be), in that case You did it a little bit wrong...

You made loops around topmast ,which need to be kept " moveable" ,but shrouds loops need to be arranged around main masthead instead of...please check second picture You posted carefully:)))

there are some pictures from Ab Hoving book ,and Winter book

Good day BACKER,

Top mast should have possibilities to be lowered down fast ...depehd on weather conditions...

but wnen we will make securing shroud loops like that , it will be very difficult to lowering down topsails