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The pear wood strips for the second planking can sometimes be a bit uneven and splintery in places. Fine scotchbrite pads do a good job of prepping the planks.
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Basswood Strips
palmerit replied to DGraley's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Find a local arts supply store, especially one that has a university in town. Basswood is often used by artists, art students, architects (and modelers). At least one arts supply store in my city has a descent supply of Midwest products wood in various sizes and thicknesses. I often have extra sheets in a few thicknesses and some dowels just in case I need them. You can also find on amazon, but they're often third party non-amazon vendors and I usually do not trust them unless I know the company. I tried Michaels and they had almost nothing. I haven't tried Hobby Lobby near me, but I think big box stores are often hit and miss. My wife is a quilter and has never bought fabric at one of these places. Small arts supply stores are usually better stocked and you can support a local business too. My local place is now where I go to get wood and paint brushes and the like. -
Slow progress on the planking. I’m taking each plank slow to try to do a better job than my last two models. We’ll see if the upper part of the hull can stay bare wood and not be painted.
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Plank (singular) glued in and secured. It’ll dry overnight. I use rubber bands and hair clips to maintain the curve to the center board and use pieces of scrap plank and clips to try to minimize the clinkering a bit.
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I only use nails on the first layer of planking, never on the second layer. That's in part because the first layer of planking is often just glued to the bulkheads. The second layer of planking is glue along the entire length of the hull. There are lots of ways of holding a second layer plank in place without nails and you want to make sure the plank is shaped so that you don't need to keep a plank held in place that wants to bend away from the hull. Part of this hobby is learning to get creative securing parts and planks into place. I tend to do one (sometimes two) planks at a time and glue them into place and then let the glue dry for at least a few hours before adding the next plank. I know some people are able to work at a faster pace. That's in part why I have a few models going on at once - last night, I did a little work on four different models (adding planks to two of them, did a little painting on two of them).
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I've tried a couple of "pin pushers" and they don't work for me. I bought this and it works way better: https://micromark.com/products/pin-insertion-plier
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Right. I’m just trying to shape them a bit now. I fiddle with them a lot more when I’m gluing them in position. When gluing, I’ve only done one side at a time. I’m at a pace of about a few planks a week. This is definitely a filler model. Actually, this evening was a case where I was glad I had a bunch of models being built at once. I shaped two planks on the Peabody, I shaped and glued down two planks on the Lady Isabella, I painted the bottom and the rudder of the Crabbing Skiff, and I painted a rub rail on the Scow Scooner.
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Testing some reds for the bottom of this hull. Some are clearly wrong. I like the 1/2 Cavalry Brown (70.982) and 1/2 Scarlet Red (76.102).
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This is definitely continuing to be a slow and challenging planking of this small boat. It has been especially challenging making the curve around the bottom but it’s getting there. Thankfully the planks are thick enough that they’ll allow for a good bit of sanding.
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How serious do you get about dust protection
palmerit replied to bigcreekdad's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
I bought one of these (Coway AP-1512HH Mighty Air Purifier) for my work area in the house (under the table where I work) - where I have my air brush booth but otherwise it's just hand tools and sandpaper. In part it helps keep dust out of the room. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BTKAPUU?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2&th=1 I've been wanting to do something in the cellar where I have some power tools. -
Getting Started: From Dollhouses to the USS Constitution
palmerit replied to Jasennord's topic in New member Introductions
Smart decision. Before finding this site I almost stumbled into buying a model far beyond my capabilities - far beyond where I am now. I assumed wooden model kits would be like buying a Lego model or something and as an adult I could start with a fairly advanced kit. Glad I found this site first. The Shipwright Series is a great model set to start with. And the NRG Half Hull will give you a deeper knowledge of how planks need to be shaped - it did for me. Neither the Shipwright Series nor the NRG Half Hull have the kind of planking done on a Constitution model, which would involved bending thin strips of wood for planking (bending in both directions). Lots recommend Vanguard models. I do anytime I can. A great choice after the Shipwright Series is a model like the Vanguard Models Sherbourne (the Modelkit Stuff YouTube channel has a build of it). This model would give you experience with the kind of planking used in lots of models, which is one of the things that trips folks up. The Sherbourne's rigging is orders of magnitude more complicated than the rigging on the Shipwright Series boats (the Dory basically has none, the Pram a tiny bit, the Smack just a bit more) - a Constitution model is undoubtedly orders of magnitude more complicated than the Sherbourne. I actually started the Shipwright Series mid-way into building Vanguard because I wanted to get some experience with simpler models, and simpler rigging - and did the NRG Half Hull after seeing folks recommend it. I'm now doing my third Vanguard model, but it's still a Novice model. After that I'm planning to do a couple Amateur Vanguard models before starting the Duchess, which I bought intending it to be my second model before realizing that was absolutely foolish. I'm guessing a Constitution model would be comparable to a Vanguard Sphinx or Indefatigable, which are 3-4 levels higher than the Vanguard models I've done. Have fun! -
When you get to rigging, check out the videos from Curtis_Wooden_Shipyard (as well as the ModelKitStuff videos). His are short and topical, usually with little talking, except upfront in the intro, but it's helpful to see how he does some of his rigging steps. I found it especially useful when doing ratlines. I bought a 90 degree pair of tweezers that I saw him using (they're from Bernina, a sewing company) and they made doing lots of rigging (especially ratlines) way easier than the ones I was using (and I have several different kinds).
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Yeah, I could imagine that closing when stock runs out could lead to some hoarding behavior. I've been trying to order just what I need for the models I'm working on, and if now it might be 6-8 weeks before my order gets to me, that is something I can certainly be fine with. I'd love to try to make my own rope. And when I retire in a few years I may have more time to do that for myself. While the other Byrnes products seem to be coming back, I have not heard the same about their rope walk. I looked at the motorized one from the guy in Poland, but it is pretty pricey and overkill for the little I would do. Fingers crossed yours will be coming back in some form.
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I don't know if this is a single-plank or double-plank model. You don't want to use pins if this is single-plank (or the second planking of a double-plank). Lots of people use CA, but it causes a bit of a mess for me. I sometimes use it to secure the end into a rabbet at the bow or something like that and use wood glue elsewhere. You often need to just clamp the planks (with clamps of various shapes and sizes and rubber bands) and just let it dry. This is a video of turning binder clips into plank clips. I made some like this with different size binder clips (small and very small).
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I thought I had seen all the various tools to use. This is a new one. Just stuck them in my amazon cart. Yeah, nothing worse than a piece of PE flying across the room never to be seen again. Some pieces can be hand-made from scrap PE. If I had lost one of the tiny little roman numerals that go on the bow I don't know what I would have done to replace it.
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Medium CA is definitely too thick for thin surface parts like this. This glue will likely seep out from the sides. And might glue faster than you have time to position. You definitely want a descent set of tweezers and practice a bit without any glue. It’s especially going to seep because the rudder pieces are filled with holes. Thicker CA can work for planking because when you push down it’s less likely the glue will seep all the way to the outside of the planking because the planks are thick by comparison to the PE parts. Maybe try painting some scrap PE pieces to see what works. You could also try gluing the painted scrap PE to a piece of scrap wood. Always better to experiment before trying on the model.
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Are you painting these PE parts of keeping them brass (or using brass black)? I ask because I first tried to use Vallejo airbrush primer and Vallejo airbrush paint and the paint just peeled off. I found that using a Tamiya surface primer worked fairly well - certainly better than the Vallejo airbrush primer. I just use the Tamiya in a shake can. I struggled using CA with the PE parts. I tried using a thick-ish CA, which was a mistake. A thin CA might work better, but it's a struggle to get these tiny positions in place before the CA glue dries. Another possibility is to use a Tamiya Flat Clear paint. The paint is clear and it acts like a glue.
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I bet Advanced as well at least. The 'Novice' kits are still quite challenging - not just from Vanguard - if you've never built a wooden ship. My first build was the Sherbourne. When I was first thinking about getting a wooden ship model, I was using my knowledge of Lego models (lots of experience with my boys getting Lego models for years - even now into their 20s) and plastic models (which I had built a bunch as a kid). With a Lego kit, nearly any adult would be able to build the most difficult 18+ model, maybe with a few do-overs with the most challenging Technics model. With a plastic kit, most adult would be able to put together a mid-level plastic kit. The lowest level plastic kits are for 8 year olds. With wooden model ships, novice still means a lot of learning and weeks or months of working on the build. I took a year to build the Vanguard Sherbourne - but that was because in parallel I built the three novice models from the Model Shipways Shipwright series. Check out the Modelkit Stuff build of the Sherbourne. I bought the Duchess (Experienced) as my second model, but then I decided to instead first build three of the Vanguard fishing boats (two are Novice, one is Amateur). I'll probably do the Grecian next - I just really like its look. Then I'll do the Duchess.
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