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While Vol. IV of Antscherl is out-of-stock (out-of-print maybe) you can get an electronic version (or this and the other volumes) for $70: https://seawatchbooks.com/products/the-fully-framed-model-rigging-a-sixth-rate-sloop-of-war-1767-1780-volume-iv-revised-and-expanded-by-david-antscherl https://seawatchbooks.com/pages/collection-bundle It would be helpful to hear from others if it's worth the $70. You can see a preview, but it's only the first few pages, so you can't really see an example of what it shows wrt rigging and how-tos.

On another thread, someone suggested this book as another source on rigging (as in really rigging a ship): https://maritime.org/doc/steel/ And volume IV of TFFM by member David Antscherl. https://seawatchbooks.com/pages/collection-bundle And "The Riggers Apprentice" by Brion Toss.

Yeah, I got about a dozen of those. They've been great on other parts of my builds. I started with two then ordered four more than more. I also bought some of the larger clamps they make for when I need a deeper throat. They're great. I haven't been able to make them work on the Ranger. I don't know why. Maybe I'll futz with them again tonight when I'm home.

The photos in the Sherbourne instructions book at the end for the rigging are actually from a different (similar but not identical) model ship (maybe the Alert, I don't know) - the instructions do say that. You need to follow the plans (with the photos in the instructions book just for some other reference points). I think all the rigging could just be done with regular knots. There is a photo in the instructions showing what seems to be a regular knot to tie a piece of thread to an eyelet and they you tie another knot around the block. I think everything else in principle could be done using just regular knots. I'm trying to figure out what other options there are to decide how much more detail - if any - I want to add (and to learn more about what the rigging actually does and how it would be on a real ship). I'm just not sure how to do the other pieces of rigging. The photos seem to show something more than just simple knots. Maybe since this is a pure novice model ship (and the photos were from a model a step up) they just wanted people to not worry about that level of detail and just tie basic knots. Having a novice ship that required seizing lines would have made a beginner's head explode I think.

Just know that the Petersson book is not really a "for beginner" book as in telling you how to tie things off or explaining things to a beginner. It's a blowup of some aspects of rigging. I've attached a screen shot from one of the pages. It's pretty cheap if you get it as a kindle book. This is another (free) source for just about every possible knot that's ever been envisioned: https://archive.org/details/TheAshleyBookOfKnots Chapter 40 of Ashley has a some knots related to model ships (probably way more detailed than you'd ever try on a 1:64 scale model). I'm following to see if someone else has other suggestions. I know that this forum has everything you'd need to figure out how to rig a ship, but it is sometimes hard to navigate the language and know what you're searching for. Usually if you know what to search for you already know the answer. I know I've seen some good YouTube videos on model ship building. I've seen a bunch on rigging ratlines. I haven't (yet) found any on tying off other aspects of the rigging. If you see any, please share. I'll try to share things I find on my Sherbourne (and other) logs.

@wefalck I found another site that sell this that lists the following for this other varnish https://www.naturalpigments.com/conservar-isolating-finishing-varnishh.html: ("Isolating Varnish" is a mixture of sandarac and mastic. "Conservar Isolating/Finishing Varnish" is a colorless, reversible varnish comprised of an aldehyde resin (Laropal A81) in an aromatic and aliphatic solvent blend with a UV light stabilizer. It can be used both as an isolating varnish and a final varnish.) 1. Distillates, petroleum, hydrotreated light 30 - 40 % (weight) 2. Solvent naphtha (petroleum), light arom Concentration 30 - 40 % (weight) 3. Urea-aldehyde resin Concentration 20 - 20 % (weight), Trade secret

I'm looking for suggestions on how to clamp the ends of planks against the bow end of the keel - jigs, methods, photos, drawing, descriptions. (Sorry if that's not the name of the part - the photo attached illustrations where I'm trying to do the clamping.) I've attached a photo that's actually from my Sherbourne (my first planking attempt). With that model and others I've build, there was enough on the keel at the bow to be able to use a piece of scrap wood and a small clamp to secure the end until the glue dried on the plank. I'm struggling to do something similar with my Ranger. I don't know if it's the angle of how the planks come in on that ship or the width of the keel there or what. Last night, I ended up putting a plank on and then put a rubber band that I then used to hold the clamp in place (so it didn't pop off) by clamping ends of the rubber band farther back on the ship. I can keep doing something like that, but I'm looking for other suggestions. I tried over kinds of clamps I have, and used scrap wood, but nothing seems to work. I've though about constructions a jig of sort - with an angled piece of wood that pushes onto the plank at a 45 degree angle to a flat piece that lays flush to the keel that I can then clamp flat. But maybe some others have suggestions or photos of something that works for them when clamping down the ends of planks like this. I haven't had much success using the small nails that come with the model because the wood there is stronger than elsewhere and also because of tapering the bow end of the planks. Also, I won't have that as an option when I get to the second layer of planking, so I'm looking for something I can experiment with on the first planking that will work on the second planking. I've avoided using superglue because it's been a mess for me. But maybe that will be the next effort I'll try again. (Apologies that I also posted this under the jigs section - I thought someone might see that post who didn't care about my build log - and vice versa.)

No place seems to have Zapon varnish. Is this similar? https://www.naturalpigments.com/natural-isolating-varnish.html If not, are there particular key words that might be looked for?

Yeah, it looks like this is hard to get - with lots of warnings. One site said it would sell only to professionals. And given that I build in my house, I wouldn't want to use that inside. Would you recommend the white glue method or would something like a Vallejo acrylic matte varnish be better for setting knots (and fixing the lines to minimize fraying after a cut)?

To be honest, I don't know. I've just seen a bunch of people comment (in this thread even) about being able to cut close to a knot being a good thing. So it's better to leave a short tail for authenticity then? How long? The width of the knot? Just trying to think what would be appropriate at scale. I think one reason for cutting them is that the cut ends tended to fray. I suppose varnish (like glue) applied before cutting (and letting it dry) would keep the cut line from fraying.

Any particular kind of varnish that you'd use on rigging knots? I've used white glue so far. Does varnish let you cut closer to the knot?

Can I jump on this thread and ask a related question: What are good brands, material, and sources to buy drill bits for a pin vise? The ones I bought on Amazon were garbage. I just ordered some from Otto Frei that I hope are better - on there, I could order just the small sizes I needed and get 6 of them each. For the pin vise I have (which is certainly not a Starrett - maybe someday), I need bits with a 3/32 shank. I ordered one set of drill bits and realized they weren't wide like the ones I had and wouldn't fit into the pin vise. I'm guessing that with something like the Starrett set you can use any size shank on a drill bit that'll fit whichever one of the four pin vises that works.

Yeah, that’s it. Not sure how you’d secure that to a mast.

As in this book? https://archive.org/details/TheAshleyBookOfKnots

Now that I’ve finished the Pram and Smack, I’m getting back to rigging the Sherbourne, my first model I started. Some of the blocks are tied to eyelets. I followed the instructions for tying them in the instruction book. I also need to tie blocks using a line that goes around a mast or a yard. I’ve attached a copy of the drawing from the plans for one of them and a close up photo from the instructions. I know I could just knot the line to the mast with a half hitch (plain simple knot) and then tie on the block. Are there alternative ways to tie this on? I’m not sure what to search for to see what options there might be. Is there a name for tying on a block like this I could use in a search? I might resort to just a couple simple knots but I’d like to see other options I might have.

Otto Frei (https://www.ottofrei.com) also has some descent tools. I bought my Optivisor from them (lots of knockoffs on Amazon) and got my tiny metal files from them. In one of the orders I placed, I also bought a couple of tiny squares, some tiny drill bits (the .5 and .6mm ones that break so easily), and some 100-packs of scalpel blades. They make stuff for jewelry but those tools can be used for model ship building too. I also bought some stuff from J. Stockard Fly Fishing (www.jsflyfishing.com) - some nice scissors for cutting rigging, a whip finisher (we'll see if that actually works - it was pretty cheap), a bobbin holder that might help with rigging (we'll see), and some very fine thread. If you ever opt to get some Quad Hands, order directly from them (www.quadhands.com). Seems like a lot of them on Amazon and elsewhere are knockoffs. Early on, I bought some nice tweezers from Tamiya (they had more in stock than some of the places online that see them). If you're doing airbrushing, and use Vallejo air paints, www.scalehobbyist.com has the best prices and selection that I've found. I also bought the Lee Valley micro trio. They are nice. I also visited a Lee Valley store in Niagara Falls when visiting family.

Vanguard is a great company to start with and their Sherbourne a great ship to start with. I've seen Chris Watton post that he barely makes any money on this one because it's a starter kit to get people hooked on the hobby. That means you get great material and instructions for the price. The material and instructions are certainly better than the Model Shipways kits I also built. I'm still a novice, but here are a few things I learned - I welcome the experts to call BS on any of these that seem wrong (I'll learn something if they do): - Treat each plank as its own project. While the first layer isn't visible, the more you do to make it look good gives you practice for when you do the second layer. - This hull is painted completely, and you can do a ton with filler and sanding. But it's still good practice for later models to try to do a good job. I certainly didn't, but I tried. - While a beginner kit, the bow of this ship is a bit more challenging than the one I'm working on now from Vanguard (Ranger). This requires hot water and a heat source (like a soldering iron, or a soldering iron retooled for model ships), and doing some curving of the planks in both direction (check out videos and build logs and the Articles Database). This one curves almost 90 degrees to the bow, which does mean a double bend in some places. You can see my build log for my novice attempts (that I tried to mimic from other build logs and sources). If you try to force the wood too much it'll likely split. - Wait until the plank is pretty dry before trying to sand it (to bevel) or glue it into place. I've seen some use the soldering iron to speed up the drying. - Bevel the edges where the plank you're adding meets up with the plank that's there (I just use a sanding stick a little at a time, and test fit it. - Use a very sharp hobby knife (I use a scalpel) - I replace the blades often (bought them in packs of 100). And cut gradually, with multiple passes, so you don't end up following the grain of the plank and messing up your cut. - After gluing in a plank and letting it dry, check to see that a plank's setting flush with the bulkheads. If it isn't, you can try to shape a bit on the hull by wetting it down and running a soldering iron over it. Then add some more glue underneath and clamp and rubber band it. If you don't get the planks to lay flush, you end up with steps rather than a smooth hull. While you will (and can) sand those out, the more you decrease the stepping/clinkering the better. - You do have a few extra planks, so if you really screw something up you can start over (though you don't have that many extras). - Know that unless you're really skilled, your planking job is probably going to look less than what you had hoped (both first and second). At least mine did. You can really do a lot with filler and sanding. My final hull looked a lot better than what I thought it might. Be careful not to sand too much. The first planking wood is a bit thick (certainly thicker than the basswood on some Model Shipways kits) but the second planking wood is thinner (though harder). - Be careful with the stern area when you're planking and sanding. I broke the end of the stern off twice just being careless. I think others have done that on this and other ships. Just know you can repair it (some repairs are easier than others). And it'll be good practice since even following a kit, there's times when you can or need to scratch build pieces. Even on the Sherbourne, I had to scratch build some pieces near the stern because I had messed something up in the build earlier on and pieces that were supposed to meet up together would not.

My first planking on the Ranger seems to be looking a bit better than my first planking on the Sherbourne. The top photo is my Ranger, the bottom my Sherbourne. Still a bunch to get learn to better, but nice to see a bit of improvement from my first attempt.

Finished my Smack. The rigging was definitely a challenge on this one. The instructions weren’t always the clearest and the rope isn’t the greatest. And it was certainly a step up from the Pram. I had some challenges with the brittania metal in places. It’s used for some of the rigging and the hole in those parts is too small (or the rope too thick) so I had to bore out one of them a bit. While I thought there was more than enough metal left, just a tiny bit of tension on the rigging broke one of the pieces. I could have tried to craft a new piece (or wait to order a replacement) but I just superglued the line back on. I’ll face that side to the wall. I definitely struggled with the rope coils after the rigging tie offs. I tried a few different approaches, which is why all the coils look so different. Next model with coils I’m going to have to research approaches some more because I wasn’t happy with anything I tried. It was the first time in this new hobby that I was getting frustrated.

Slowly continuing with the first planking. I’m just doing one plank on each side at a time. While this is an “easy” planking, as my second strip planking (my other four models were different), it’s still a bit of a challenge. After adding a couple of planks around the bulge of the hull, I found that the planks were not completely seated and adding another layer of planking would create a clinker effect. I first tried taught rubber bands but they didn’t quite due the job. Now trying some clamps.

Starting the first layer of planking.

Funny. As I was typing my response (I got distracted) and said Chris would respond, he had already responded.

I actually ordered my Vanguard Sherbourne directly from Vanguard (UK to US) because it was out of stock at agesofsail. The shipping was a more than it would have been from agesofsail. The shipping wasn't crazy. I pulled up my order and the shipping was £35.99 (around $45 given today's exchange rate) - that was 18mon ago, so who knows what it might be now, and who knows what kinds of tariffs might be added now. While the shipping was kind of high, the model directly from Vanguard was cheaper (based on the exchange rate then) than the same model from agesofsail (since agesofsail needs to pay duties and shipping and then adjust for exchange rate). So the overall price to get a model in my hands from agesofsail and Vanguard was pretty much the same, maybe a little more directly from Vanguard. Oh, and the Vanguard model was here in about the same time as another model I ordered from agesofsail arrive. When I ordered my Sherbourne, I think it was a month or two later that agesofsail received a new shipment. It'll be restocked there, but since it's a pretty popular model, I'm sure it sells out pretty quickly. If you don't want to wait, I'd just order directly from Vanguard. When I've seen others ask if Vanguard models will be stocked at agesofsail soon, I've sometimes seen @chris watton respond when a shipment will be on its way. For comparison, I ordered a model from Pavel Nikitin and its shipping was over $100. And it'll take a couple months to be sent and who knows how long it'll take to get to the US from Ukraine (I'm patient since I have two lifetimes worth of models waiting to be built).

I've seen some logs and posts and videos recommending beeswax. Is that recommended for coils? Or used also with glue? Or instead of glue? I saw a Tagliamare YouTube video on doing hanging rope coils and he recommended using beeswax (actually I think I've seen that conservators wax is preferred because of its pH).

This looks just like the seating area of the Smack, with a loop of rope on the seat. Useful to see the style and the scale.