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Looks to me like you're making scuppers. Beautiful work, Patrick! Just beautiful! Steven

Thanks for all the comments and likes. News is that I've been in touch with Max Guérot, and he's sent me the latest reconstruction info, and with that plus having tied down reference points even more firmly (I have the locations of the 12 cross-sections relative to the keel now, AND to the grid lines, for example, plus levels for the decks), I've been able do more work on laying out the side view. Steven

Looking very nice, Mikki. I hadn't noticed this build before. I'll pull up a chair if I may. Steven

I've spent a frustrating evening trying to get a zero point to base my measurements and frame positions on. The archaeological team worked very systematically, dividing the wreck site into a grid of squares 1 metre x 1 metre, starting well aft of the a*se aft end of the wreck and ending well forward of it, so as not to miss anything. The diving season is limited (presumably because of weather), so beginning in 1983 they covered an area of 40 square metres each year, starting at the stern. The after end of the keel is one known point, but the other 'zero' they chose for all other measurements - and in particular, the locations of 12 cross-sections shown in diagrams - was oriented to the outer end of a particular strake, and I couldn't find any way to relate it to the keel. Eventually, in a discussion of the framing, they gave the distance from the after end of the keel to the assumed master frame (or, as in French the word for frame is feminine, the mistress frame), labelled W59. So I now have my reference point, and I can move forward. One thing that becomes plain is that for the time, the Lomellina was BIG. An overall length of something like 46.5 metres (152 feet). The Santa Maria was only 36 metres (117 feet) and the Gribshunden, the Danish royal flagship (which was built around 1486 and sank in 1495) was only 32-35 metres (105 -115 feet). That's all for now, except to show what she would probably have looked like. These ships are from the Ursula Legend series painted by Carpaccio in Venice in 1497-8 (5-6 years before the date I believe the Lomellina was built) and presumably depict typical Venetian carracks of the time. Although there were differences in construction between Venetian and Genoese vessels, they would have been very much like this. Steven

Little steps, little steps. Here is as far as I've got with the drawings - the aftermost piece of the keel, plus the rising wood attached to the top of it, plus the notional (because missing) sternpost, plus what remains of the rudder, in the process of being creatively reconstructed into a full rudder. Which I'm now having to look at contemporary pictures of carracks to get an idea of, because I don't agree with their interpretation as shown in the diagram in the previous post. This has taken me two or three days of struggling over (and bit by bit correcting) two or three pages of a Google translated archaeological report, interpreting it as an image from the diagram and the descriptions, and turning it into a 1:100 scaled drawing. It's all fun and games till someone loses an eye . . .

Thanks everybody for the likes and comments. Just a quick point to start with. That diagram of the keel assembly wasn't done by me - it was from the published archaeological report, kindly sent to me by Dr Max Guérot, the leader of the archaeological expedition that uncovered the Lomellina, along with many many other reports and references to other wrecks that he sent me. He has been very generous and I'm very grateful indeed for all his selfless help. I've just emailed him to let him know I've finally started - it's a little embarrassing - it's been more than four years since we've been in contact and he'd probably given up on me. Anyhow, things are finally starting to move, albeit slowly. One thing I'm beginning to realise is that I'd been a little over-confident about how much of the ship survived to act as a reference for my reconstruction. There's certainly a lot less than, for example, the Mary Rose. Here's a model that was made of what does survive. But on the other hand, there's quite a bit to work with - we have a fair bit of the keel, quite a bit of framing and planking, part of the rudder, guns (with carriages!) and even a gunport lid, for heaven's sake! And lead sheathing on the underwater hull! No forecastle, unfortunately (dammit!) But I'm pretty confident I can get something worthwhile out of what's available and fill the gaps from contemporary images, particularly the superb Ursula Legend paintings by Carpaccio, dating to maybe a decade before the Lomellina was built. Venetian rather than Genoese, and I'm aware there were differences in construction between the ships of the two city-states, but in general, a good guide. Woodrat, I'll probably be availing myself of your generous offer of help with traduire, and yes, I'm planning on a round tuck - all carracks of this period seem to have them, and the theoretical reconstruction drawings from the dig show one - - and anyway, the earliest evidence for a flat stern on a carrack that I'm aware of is 1511. By the way, looking back at the manuscript illustration of the first Lomellina, above - I will only be taking from that what I believe to be relevant - it's of an earlier ship and the artist doesn't seem to have understood ships very well. I've been drawing the keel assembly based on the archaeological report, and to be honest I may have trouble duplicating the carpentry of the scarph joints at 1:100 - I'm just not that precise at woodwork. I expect I'll have to rationalise and simplify somewhat. And I'm not planning on duplicating every aspect of the vessel, particularly not the more complex inner construction details. That way lies madness. But it will certainly be more historically accurate for the period than the one that was made by a model-maker in the early 1990's supposedly showing how she was - maybe half a century too late, and wrong in so many ways. Steven

Well, I've made a beginning on drawing the hull, using the dimensions and diagrams in the original archaeological reports. Unfortunately for me, these are in French, and technical French at that. The main report, not including the Annex, is 162 pages long, though that does include things like the coins and pottery found on board, which doesn't concern me (except that these things helped the archaeologists to date the find). I used Google Translate to help, as my French is not up to the whole job, as well as an on-line French-English maritime dictionary that seems to be from the 19th century. But when you have words with several meanings - à means both 'at' and 'to', bâtiment means both 'building' and 'ship', pont means both 'bridge' and 'deck' . . . you see the problem. I'm struggling through it, and I've started drawing the surviving pieces of the keel, rudder, rising wood and garboard . . . It's going to take awhile, and as you can see by the picture of the surviving hull in the first post there'll have to be a fair bit of educated guesswork in supplying the (many) missing bits. Fortunately a fair bit of the theoretical work has already been carried out, so it's not as bad as it first appears. I have obtained the length of keel, overall length, width at the master frame and a few other worthwhile dimensions, which should help a lot. Steven

Interesting - Elisabetta is flying the banner of the Lomellini family, plus the red cross on white of Genoa. And if she was built in 1490, she would be 13 years or so old when the Lomellina was built. Steven

This is the barest beginning of this build log. Very much in the preliminary stage. The Lomellina was a carrack belonging to the Genoese Lomellini family. In 1516, she was hired to the French king who was carrying out a war in Italy. While in the harbour of Villefranche sur Mer on the French southern coast, she was hit by a tempest, capsized and sank. She may have been relatively empty of cargo, which could have contributed to the capsize. Though attempts were made to salvage her, they did not succeed beyond retrieving some of her cargo and armament. She was at least the second vessel of this name - the first was lost in the Greek islands in 1503. I'm assuming that a replacement was undertaken shortly after, so the current vessel was probably built in 1503-1504. Here is a picture (date unknown) of what I believe to be the first Lomellina, judging by the flags she flies (those of the Lomellini family) various details of the ship and the costume and armament shown in the picture. In the 1980s the wreck was investigated over a number of years, and very comprehensive archaeological reports produced. I am basing my reproduction on these reports and contemporary pictures of similar vessels. This is a diagram of the remains - like the Mary Rose, she ended up on her side, so much of her superstructure was preserved. Unfortunately, the forward part did not survive - such things as anchors etc in a working harbour over several centuries destroyed that part of the ship. My first job is to prepare drawings, which will take a while. Though they have a good idea of her overall length and breadth, and several cross-sections, there is still a lot to be worked out. Steven

Thanks everybody. I'm still working on the Ballarat paddlesteamer Golden City, but my next project will be a Genoese carrack, based on archaeological reports of a vessel named the Lomellina which sank in the southern French harbour of Villefranche-sur-Mer in 1516 and was investigated in the 1980's. It will be at a scale of 1:100. Steven

A-A-A-A-AND . . . .FINISHED!!!! Steven

Such a beautiful shape. Progressing well. Steven

Thanks, Dick. Very interesting. Steven

Starboard rudder tackle in progress . . . I made a peg out of bamboo to fix the rudder to its pivot (bamboo's a lot stronger than most woods). And glued the rudder in place with its tackle attached And complete (whew!) But before I add the larboard rudder I need to sort out the loosened-off lee shrouds and work on the 'belly' of the sails. Watch this space. BTW, notice the marine growth at the pump outlet is less 'neon'. I followed Druxey's advice - sort of - by giving the stain a light wash of reddish-brown (close enough to the complementary colour to bilious green). Steven

I'd recommend you keep it simple. No need to try to emulate the top two - the unknown Viking who carved the one on the left is known to academics as the Academician because he was so expert. I must say I like the middle one in the second row (I've only just discovered him - he was on a Sotheby's auction site). Relatively simple carving job, and the decoration is all just what they call ring and dot (you can see why). I think that'd look pretty cool. I think the escutcheon pins should be fine for the bosses, and many of the shield decorative patterns are very similar to those shown in contemporary images. Looking good.

Nice work, mate. Those oars look good, and so do the benches for the oarsmen. From my reading, the most commonly held opinion is that the oarsmen sat on their chests of possessions, but I stress that's opinion - to this day nobody knows for sure - nothing's been found either way. usually known as a boss. Those shields look very good - that was a lot of work building them from planks. I'm not sure if you're familiar with this, but it's the most comprehensive article I know regarding the decorative designs on Viking shields (and other things about them as well, including how the handle worked). https://www.scribd.com/document/497550805/Viking-Shields - sorry about all the ads and stuff. Regarding dragon heads, there are quite a few images online but just check whether they're the real thing or modern 'interpretations'. Here's some of the genuine ones: That should give you plenty of choice Steven

Well, what info I have I got from Woodrat's 14th century Round Ship build, that rudders could be rotated up out of the way when not in use, (e.g. when only one was being used) and also were to be removed and held by the harbour authorities while in port (so they didn't do a moonlight flit without paying their harbour dues). Steven

Here is the comparison between the rudder tackle in its first iteration and how it is now. The first (starboard) rudder still has its old (too massive) blocks and ropes, and the tackle is attached too close to the pivot. And here is the larboard rudder with its new, lighter blocks and ropes, and location further from the pivot. Still dry fitted, and I have to work out exactly where everything gets belayed, but I'm a lot happier with this. Now to fix the other one. Steven

Thanks for the likes, everyone. Cathead, those colours aren't quite so 'neon' in real life - it's partly the camera's fault. But I do still want to tone them down a bit. My little collection of tubes of acrylic don't seem to have the range, so I'll try mixing blue and yellow enamel and see what that produces. Now, as to the rudder tackles. Here's a photo of one rudder dry fitted with the tackles in place. The concept is good, but the execution is sadly lacking. First, the tackles are mounted too high on the rudder, particularly the forward one - not enough room for the tackle to fit between the mounting and the proposed belaying point at the gunwale. And not enough leverage to swing the rudder one way or another - the fixing points need to be further away from the pivot point. Secondly, the whole thing is too massive - blocks, ropes, everything. So I've started shaving the blocks down, and will be using a thinner thread for the tackle. Unfortunately this means pulling apart and changing everything I've done over the past week or two, but it's worth it to fix this problem. Here are two of the blocks unchanged (top) and another two I've shaved down (bottom). Plus the craft knife (No. 11 blade) used for the job, and the enormous matchstick I use for size comparison. After shaving them down with the craft knife I used a fine file to smooth them off. And here are the four blocks for the larboard side shaved down to size. I'll mount these again (with fine thread) and see how they turn out. Then I'll do the same for the starboard rudder. Steven

Just a quick question - when you get to the rigging, are you planning to duplicate those amazing multiple-hole deadeyes? Steven

I see what you mean about the lion. It's plastic, is it? I'd say with a bit of work with a scalpel with a Number 11 blade, you might be able to improve the detailing and turn it into something worthwhile. Maybe a bit difficult to get it as good as the one on the full-sized ship (below), which is, frankly, superb - but certainly better than what they supplied you with. I've done a lot of woodcarving, but I wouldn't be able to get a result that good. Steven

The model may be big, but the full-sized replica/reconstruction is tiny! I went aboard her when she was being built, and they were giving away small off-cuts of oak from building her. I still have it. She's a beautiful vessel, but it's hard to believe something that small actually sailed to the other side of the world. Your model is going very well. I look forward to seeing more progress. Any chance of a photo of the 'lion' figurehead? Steven

The larboard anchor fixed in place and the weathering done. I'd also had to remove the guy in yellow while I worked on the anchor cable coils and the tacks for the foresail. Now he's back, staring off forrard - no idea what he's looking at. And more work on the rudder tackle: Making the new-style Stropless blocks (carved from fruit-wood - pear or perhaps apricot) Installing the lower blocks: And adding the upper blocks and the rest of the tackle for the starboard rudder - see close-up photo of original carving in post #469 above. The larboard rudder is under way. Steven

Yes indeed. Many vessels have come to grief in those waters. Steven

By the way, as far as most Aussies of my generation are concerned, this is a Strop. Steven