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Louie da fly
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Louie da fly reacted to Rodolfo Bigoni in Coca by Rodolfo Bigoni - FINISHED - Amati - Scale 1:60 - XV century Spanish cargo vessel
Thanks Steven for your very helpful remarks and documents.
I will undoubtedly take them into account for the prosecution: surely the mast crosstree will be planar.
About the yard, although it was never intended to be hauled all the way to the top, with the block so low:
I suppose it could reach maybe halfway up the mast. It is necessary a greater distance between block and rack.
I have enough in mind how to proceed in order to have less obstacles and obstructions as possible: first the stay, then the installation of the yard with blocks and parrel, then the crosstree followed by the rope ladder, the two blocks on the mast for the yard and finally the side shrouds (Only the fixing at the bulwarks, because they are already tied at the top).
It will really be a Work in Progress, evaluating step by step how to proceed.
The problem about quality of the blocks can be solved by DIY; at least two different kinds. In the Nao of Mataro there are even more...
In the meantime I've tied the first blocks to the yardarm. How useful it would be to have small hands ...
I would like to conclude by wishing everyone a Happy New Year, even if the signs are not very good, unfortunately.
Rodolfo
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Roger Pellett in Coca by Rodolfo Bigoni - FINISHED - Amati - Scale 1:60 - XV century Spanish cargo vessel
Hi Rodolfo. Nice work on the model.
As you're probably aware this model is based on a votive ship from Mataro in Spain of about 1450 AD. There are some good pictures at https://www.modelships.de/Museums_and_replicas/Maritiem_Museum_Rotterdam/Photos_Mataro_model.htm which may be of help to you.
The original model has been damaged (and probably repaired) over the centuries, and it is thought a mizzen mast was added at some point. It appears the museum has at least removed the later additions, but obviously several parts are missing.
Steven
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Louie da fly reacted to Schrader in Gokstad c. 900 AD by bigpetr - 1:48 - CARD - viking ship
It looks really good!!!.
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Louie da fly reacted to Robert Taylor in SANTA CATARINA DO MONTE SINAI by Robert Taylor - FINISHED - Pyro - 1:144 Scale - Plastic
"Santa Catarina Do Monte Sinai" Pyro 1:144 scale.
Starting to take shape...
Everything has came to a halt these past 6weeks due 12hr shifts and of course Christmas.
Standing rigging & blocks done, next started rigging the deadeyes for ratlines and running rigging for each corresponding Mast. Looking forward to getting on with this and to finish her off with hand sewn sails, long way to go, but thankfully off work till the 7th January.
Hope Everyone had a Merry Christmas, and Happy New year to you all when it comes.
Happy Modelling ⚓⚓⚓🤺🤺🤺
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Keith Black in It's the little things...
Not trying to put you off Le Cerf, but if you do decide to do what Kurt suggests and go for a simpler model first, then go back to Le Cerf, there are plenty of models available that give a gentle lead-in and enable you to build your skills to be ready for the more complicated builds - see
Whichever way you choose to go, make sure you start a build log - it's the best way to get help and advice as you go along. And ask lots of questions, just as you already have. The people here are very friendly and helpful and can often give you assistance that helps you overcome an obstacle you've encountered without your having to "re-invent the wheel".
Instructions on starting a build log are here:
And have fun with it!
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from mtaylor in It's the little things...
Not trying to put you off Le Cerf, but if you do decide to do what Kurt suggests and go for a simpler model first, then go back to Le Cerf, there are plenty of models available that give a gentle lead-in and enable you to build your skills to be ready for the more complicated builds - see
Whichever way you choose to go, make sure you start a build log - it's the best way to get help and advice as you go along. And ask lots of questions, just as you already have. The people here are very friendly and helpful and can often give you assistance that helps you overcome an obstacle you've encountered without your having to "re-invent the wheel".
Instructions on starting a build log are here:
And have fun with it!
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from J11 in Coca by Rodolfo Bigoni - FINISHED - Amati - Scale 1:60 - XV century Spanish cargo vessel
As you're probably aware, this model is based on the so-called "Mataro ship" in the National Maritime Museum Prins Hendrik, Rotterdam. One of our members visited not long ago and took some photos of the model - see
As you can see, the cross-trees and trestle-trees on this model are in the same plane, so it's probably right to base yours on this.
I agree about the blocks being "upside down" and I believe this is simply a mistake in the kit. Go with your own knowledge on this one - the ropes should come out at the top of the sheaves.
I'm not sure about the halyard, but it's possible the yard was never meant to be hauled all the way up. These pics are pretty typical of how ships of the time carried the mainyard - as you can see, it's not hauled all the way up.
Note also the top is made differently on the Mataro model than it is in your kit, and there is possibly enough space to get through the bottom from a rope ladder. If you haven't already made the top, perhaps you might consider making one that is closer to the original design.
The rigging of the Mataro model has been messed with over the centuries and perhaps shouldn't be relied upon too much regarding the placement of the rope ladder. I think you should use your own judgment how best to do it.
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from kurtvd19 in It's the little things...
Not trying to put you off Le Cerf, but if you do decide to do what Kurt suggests and go for a simpler model first, then go back to Le Cerf, there are plenty of models available that give a gentle lead-in and enable you to build your skills to be ready for the more complicated builds - see
Whichever way you choose to go, make sure you start a build log - it's the best way to get help and advice as you go along. And ask lots of questions, just as you already have. The people here are very friendly and helpful and can often give you assistance that helps you overcome an obstacle you've encountered without your having to "re-invent the wheel".
Instructions on starting a build log are here:
And have fun with it!
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from sziggy8 in It's the little things...
Not trying to put you off Le Cerf, but if you do decide to do what Kurt suggests and go for a simpler model first, then go back to Le Cerf, there are plenty of models available that give a gentle lead-in and enable you to build your skills to be ready for the more complicated builds - see
Whichever way you choose to go, make sure you start a build log - it's the best way to get help and advice as you go along. And ask lots of questions, just as you already have. The people here are very friendly and helpful and can often give you assistance that helps you overcome an obstacle you've encountered without your having to "re-invent the wheel".
Instructions on starting a build log are here:
And have fun with it!
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from druxey in It's the little things...
Not trying to put you off Le Cerf, but if you do decide to do what Kurt suggests and go for a simpler model first, then go back to Le Cerf, there are plenty of models available that give a gentle lead-in and enable you to build your skills to be ready for the more complicated builds - see
Whichever way you choose to go, make sure you start a build log - it's the best way to get help and advice as you go along. And ask lots of questions, just as you already have. The people here are very friendly and helpful and can often give you assistance that helps you overcome an obstacle you've encountered without your having to "re-invent the wheel".
Instructions on starting a build log are here:
And have fun with it!
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Baker in Coca by Rodolfo Bigoni - FINISHED - Amati - Scale 1:60 - XV century Spanish cargo vessel
As you're probably aware, this model is based on the so-called "Mataro ship" in the National Maritime Museum Prins Hendrik, Rotterdam. One of our members visited not long ago and took some photos of the model - see
As you can see, the cross-trees and trestle-trees on this model are in the same plane, so it's probably right to base yours on this.
I agree about the blocks being "upside down" and I believe this is simply a mistake in the kit. Go with your own knowledge on this one - the ropes should come out at the top of the sheaves.
I'm not sure about the halyard, but it's possible the yard was never meant to be hauled all the way up. These pics are pretty typical of how ships of the time carried the mainyard - as you can see, it's not hauled all the way up.
Note also the top is made differently on the Mataro model than it is in your kit, and there is possibly enough space to get through the bottom from a rope ladder. If you haven't already made the top, perhaps you might consider making one that is closer to the original design.
The rigging of the Mataro model has been messed with over the centuries and perhaps shouldn't be relied upon too much regarding the placement of the rope ladder. I think you should use your own judgment how best to do it.
Steven
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
That's a major milestone, taking her off the mould (British and Australian spelling - Americans spell it mold).
She looks very good - very graceful hull shape.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from mtaylor in Viking longship by Cathead - Dusek - 1:35 - FINISHED
Looks very good. I don't know whether you've already seen this, but I just came across this: Lots of videos!
https://webtv.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/?poditemid=56372&tagsid=121&soegeord=
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Louie da fly got a reaction from thibaultron in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Very good. I was hoping that would be your answer. You're definitely on the right track.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from thibaultron in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
What kind of joint are you using between the two planks?
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Louie da fly got a reaction from thibaultron in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Nice work. You're taking it slow and carefully, and it shows in the result.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from thibaultron in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
1 mm should probably be ok. My planks are about that thick and I only have trouble at the stern where the plank has to twist from almost horizontal to almost vertical in a very short length- which you probably won't have on your model.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
It's very interesting following this build and seeing your ingenious solutions to problems.
Walnut has a reputation of being easily broken and unwilling to bend without splintering. However, I'm using it on my Great Harry without much trouble, though my planks are pretty thin because the model is at 1:200 scale. What is the thickness of the planks on the Helga Holm?
Your rivets look very good. Yes, paper or card would probably be good for the other side.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from thibaultron in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
That's right. It's best to check for yourself, and just because someone drew reconstruction plans doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes! Use your own judgment and make your own decisions.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Good point. Plenty of 15th and 16th century pictures show ships with bonnets but no reef points. At least as many show neither - though in many cases I'm prepared to believe that's artist's error. I know of only a single one (a "great carrack" that doesn't have a date but looks to be early 16th century) that has reef points. Perhaps we're looking at lost technology, which was "rediscovered" later?
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Agreed. But they had to be invented at some time - Most contemporary pictorial representations of ships before the 14th century don't show them. Is this because they didn't exist, or did the artist just leave them out?
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Very interesting video. It looks like a lot of fun.
I wasn't sure about the reef points - how far back reef points go - I thought they didn't come in until later but on investigation I found this picture which is supposed to be late 13th century but judging by the armour (something I do know about) it dates to about the middle of the 14th - and it does have reef points.
But in fact the longship from Skamstrup in my post above also has them, so you the problem I was concerned about didn't really exist. (Nonetheless, I think it was worth going to the trouble of checking.)
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
It certainly looks like one. If so, it's the earliest representation I know of. The oldest I've previously come across were early 15th century.
This is a really interesting build, of a unique vessel. Keep up the good work.
By the way, I think you're right in using the reconstruction as a guide but making your own judgments about the original form of the ship for your model.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from thibaultron in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Hmm, interesting point. There's another ship in the same fresco - quite a different type. And there's no rudder shown at all! Go figure.
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Louie da fly got a reaction from Larry Cowden in Medieval longship by bolin - FINISHED - 1:30 - based on reconstruction Helga Holm
Yes, I would have thought that from looking at the cross-sections. It has a very low freeboard - looks like it would get swamped easily.
By the way, here is a picture of a longship with a stern rudder, from about 1300 AD.
It's from Skamstrup Church, near Kalundborg, Denmark. Note that the tiller is curved, to go around the sternpost.
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