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Talos, I have that image in one of my books that helps. It's a procession of ships 1823 in it is Brandywine and later Constitution and you can see the change. the photo itself is grainy and I'd love a larger version of the original. Consequently let's assume that United States also had their stern modified as well and remember there's an image of Constellation that time period too. My question is while Constitution had their new stern, did the stern details change a but over time. And this pic in addition to the one I have shows it did. Which is exciting so ty for loading this.

Thank you kindly my friend. I only have the 1803 full. Was given a partial image of the 1799 one but it's just a small photo. I am unsure which one of them is at the library or if both of them are there. But happy to send you the one and prep that as soon as I can. Indeed how they able to keep hobbying when we all sobby messes makes the wood wet wahh 😭😅

Also I miss you all! I'm in the middle of a messy not divorce home separation that's been coming for some time! I'm eager to get back to art once this nightmare is finally over lol. But I'm fine I realized this was coming on the horizon and why I've been so quiet these last 2 years.

Hii! Well basically Dan (Pariser) had a copy and gave it to me so now I have it. Not entirely sure where he got it from the origibal is in the Mysic Seaport library and is reference only. But I would be able to print a copy of my copy out at staples and mail it? Again there are actually 2 Burrows plans the 1799 and the 1803 refit of Enterprize. I have the 1803 version

Hi so the story of the plans is this. I gave up trying to go to the museum to find them at mystic then it came to my attention that in our brooklyn boat group had a copy and our head of group Dan Pariser gave his copy to one of our group members and made me a photocopy. So these copies are the only available version of the plan I know that are able to be sourced and not even sure where and when Dan got it from.

Hello and greetings! I always find the idea of trying to reconstruct ships with little to no historical references daunting but also challenging. With some awareness of the history involved one can make an "interpretation" of such vessels as Magellons. The main thing to be mindful of is to be very aware of the exact time the ship was in service as there are subtle differences in ship design even of that time that one can notice decade to decade and be aware of or stumble over if not researched properly (see above about that stern tuck for example). The other is taking into account tonnage as a method of determining size and function. The only ship which seems to have had a reasonable attempt at reconstruction is Victoria and you can see examples of the ship below. 85 tons about 65 feet +/_ She strikes me as being a bit longer and more slender than a carrack like Santa Maria if I were to attempt a model of her I'd likely use alot of this material for reference. As for the others... that's really a challenge. These weren't naval vessels so there was no commissioned design but of a type one could assume larger ships looked closer to galleons while smaller ones looked more like caravels such as Nina. Personally I feel the more drab and unspectacular and weathered they looked the more close to reality they probably were. Exterior was covered in pitch and a modeler might want to add some subtle paint and detailing to avoid boredom but also these embellishments were likely not the case and its doubtful each had very little to distinguish themselves from the other. At any rate an interesting topic I wish you luck on.

Well you know gunboats can always be altered and added as i suspect they were at times 👌😉

Yes thank you! You can see in that diagram how the Superior had lower bulwarks more typical to other Baltimore clipper style ships and how Burrows obviously used these lines as a basis. One could extrapolate that by the time.of her sinking Enterprize may have looked somewhat more like the Boxer class which was her replacement and that class of ship being a modernized version of the original Enterprize at least in style and function.

I believe we mean this one yes? Also keep in mind Enterprize (with a z) had several rebuilds and hard to pin down exactly what she looked like at each turn. At some point she had a poop deck but not like the one from the constructo kit. That's poop circa 1776 not 1805 it was likely similar to what the cruiser class or frolic/peacock had and likely removed before 1812. The reason why the constructo/dikar kit looks like it does it because Vixen was ordered to be a ship of similar lines and displacement to the Enterprize however in truth she was a downscaled Syren and not at all the same type of ship.

Hi yall. As the proprietor of this forum post I shall endeavour to answer. So the only real holy grail worth pursuing is this plan that was made by John Burrows supposedly under the supervision of Howard Chapelle ? It is basically a very well designed plan located at the music Seaport museum and there are actually 2 versions the 1799 and the 1805 version w the minute alterations. What you see here is not the vixen or anything looking like th constructo kit. It's a variation of the Baltimore clipper La superior which came from the same yard/builder or somesuch. It shows a far more shallow design but also high bulwarks like for a naval brig with heavier cannon. Did not have a bowsprit at least not in the early days and while this plan is conjectur it follows the design of the ship as depicted on the corne paintings of the battle at tripoli. As far as I'm concerned this is what Enterprize looked like pretty much.

Aha yes new year shift in goals. Back to boats. Nyc night life is fun but not like widdling 😛

I have been wanting to get some close up images of the models from this museum. I know that have several quality models including Cumberland, Congress, Merrimack etc. If I ever snap some pics I'll upload them here

Thanks all! Will take into account for heat. Richard i used the smallest/finest blade in the set. I'll add a picture once I'm back home again.

Hi everyone just an update, here it is a 1 mm strip! This one was made of basswood but if I was able to do basswood this precise, harder woods should be even easier. I followed the advice of 3/8" by 1mm and then cut the strip. I wouldn't say I'm great at it yet but I have the means now to keep at it and practice. Thank you all for assistance in helping me understand to usage of the machine. What a smooth cut! 😊

Lou I have many sizes and types of milled wood already. So let's say I use a 3" by 1/8" wood piece and want to make several strips so yeah the method you mentioned sounds what I assumed to be. And what was said about the blades its simply a matter of practice and I am unsure how to make something so precise as a 1mm cut. Like what sort of push stick is used for something that tiny?