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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from hexnut in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
That's a great reference image Joel. With that being so, my approach the hatches probably don't need to be shortened the deck material with account for the difference.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from PeteB in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Great question Mark. As far as I know hatch coamings should lay over the deck once planked. Usually i've seen other builders paint a black square on the solid hull, add the planks around that space then the hatch over that. Similar to a real ship except the hatch depth is "implied".
Regarding the deck Im slowly putting together a laser template for the ship waterways (the outer lines) and the margin plank (the inner lines) which will all come together shortly but will post more on that once the parts are made.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from FriedClams in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Greetings everyone! Another week another update and wanted to include you all on some of what I've been up to. Basically did another test grating and coaming this time using a spare grating kit I purchased from model expo a ways back before I knew of Syren's version. I didn't feel comfortable yet using the final version so I practiced on putting the basswood kit together learning a few things what not to do. I used the tools below to help apply glue and then scrape off anything that bled out into the grate holes checking at each layer before I put the next one down. I also determined that it is best (for me anyway) to cut the size I want out first and then glue those grating strips together as I noticed a few different methods. The model expo grating holes are about .1 mm larger than syren's so if the holes look a little large they will change in the final version.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from shipmodel in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
I agree Greg and for the next attempt I am going to put the gratings together first and then build the coaming around it. In this I will use the kit from Syren ship models
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from shipmodel in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
They sort of do but that could be due to the fact that they are still empty, also a camera trick. Looking at the plans which are traced right out of Doughty you can see the hatches are 5/32" and 1/8" in height respectively. I looked at many different ship models and they seem to be all over the map as far as dimensions go. However I will try a pair at 1/32" shorter just to see if I like that better. I'll just keep trying different things until I'm happy with what I see
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CharlieZardoz reacted to Heronguy in Prince de Neufchatel versus US Brig Syren
Fair enough CharlieZardoz. Thanks for the perspective. I'm kinda pleased to be in the position where I get to choose soon!
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from Canute in Prince de Neufchatel versus US Brig Syren
With Syren you have Chuck's build log. With Prince you have less carvings and rigging to deal with. If it were me (and one day it will be) id build Syren first since more info is out there to work with. But both are on my bucket list
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from mtaylor in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Joel regarding that image you shared how do the lock joints figure in? I mean I want to make them out even but if the hatch is partially below the decking then won't the lock look a bit uneven?
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CharlieZardoz reacted to jbshan in Usage of Grates - For Real
The joint at the corners of the coamings is a half lap joint.
There is a lip inside the coamings onto which the gratings seat. This serves equally well if solid covers or a series of planks are used, for stormy weather for example. The coamings seat onto beams and carlins of the deck structure. Here's a sketch of my take on this.
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CharlieZardoz reacted to jbshan in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Maybe a bit, Charlie. I guess they would keep the deck thickness in mind when they were laying out to cut the corner joints.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from shipmodel in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
That's a great reference image Joel. With that being so, my approach the hatches probably don't need to be shortened the deck material with account for the difference.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from Omega1234 in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Hi Dave, yes I now understand the nature of the breech ring and what it does (do forgive my learning curve), and frolick I guess it is at that, though I'm more surprised I'm building a scratch model so early on. Kits don't have nearly as many judgment calls like choosing cannon sizes or heights of hatches etc. That said it's in my nature to question little details like the assemblage image Joel posted above. The reason why I postponed Sultana was that I realized too many details were uncertain to me and I want to be proud of each model I build. So went for something very simple this time basically a block of wood with no decks and still I'm solving lots of little puzzles. My approach to Sultana now will be much different now that I have worked on this cutter. But yeah I'd love to do a POB or even POF some day (after these solid hulls are done) but the thought of tackling a Hahn style build at this time ooof I can't imagine! People who start Victory as their first model do my head in, how on earth can one finish such a model as their first build?
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from Omega1234 in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Joel regarding that image you shared how do the lock joints figure in? I mean I want to make them out even but if the hatch is partially below the decking then won't the lock look a bit uneven?
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from dgbot in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Hi Dave, yes I now understand the nature of the breech ring and what it does (do forgive my learning curve), and frolick I guess it is at that, though I'm more surprised I'm building a scratch model so early on. Kits don't have nearly as many judgment calls like choosing cannon sizes or heights of hatches etc. That said it's in my nature to question little details like the assemblage image Joel posted above. The reason why I postponed Sultana was that I realized too many details were uncertain to me and I want to be proud of each model I build. So went for something very simple this time basically a block of wood with no decks and still I'm solving lots of little puzzles. My approach to Sultana now will be much different now that I have worked on this cutter. But yeah I'd love to do a POB or even POF some day (after these solid hulls are done) but the thought of tackling a Hahn style build at this time ooof I can't imagine! People who start Victory as their first model do my head in, how on earth can one finish such a model as their first build?
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from etubino in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
And here are the final test gratings. The larger one is a bit loose since that was an older version but these will be discarded for cherry coamings shortly now that I've gotten the hang of building them. I wanted to get a feel for the dimensions and there are things I can see in a photograph that doesn't come out at me during construction. I believe cathead is correct that they are too high so I will shorten them both by 1/32nd of an inch (I honestly couldn't really tell when looking at it in person). The hatch holes are a bit big but that will be corrected when using the Syren kit. What I am pondering is the thickness of the coaming it is currently 3/64" (or 1.2mm) the next step down would be 1mm but I feel that's making the coaming too thin. I've seen models with thick coamings and super thin ones so if anyone has a second opinion do let me know. For now I am waiting on some wood strips and will start the final hatch shortly. Stay tuned!
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from shipmodel in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Greetings everyone! Another week another update and wanted to include you all on some of what I've been up to. Basically did another test grating and coaming this time using a spare grating kit I purchased from model expo a ways back before I knew of Syren's version. I didn't feel comfortable yet using the final version so I practiced on putting the basswood kit together learning a few things what not to do. I used the tools below to help apply glue and then scrape off anything that bled out into the grate holes checking at each layer before I put the next one down. I also determined that it is best (for me anyway) to cut the size I want out first and then glue those grating strips together as I noticed a few different methods. The model expo grating holes are about .1 mm larger than syren's so if the holes look a little large they will change in the final version.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from dgbot in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
I agree Greg and for the next attempt I am going to put the gratings together first and then build the coaming around it. In this I will use the kit from Syren ship models
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from dgbot in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
They sort of do but that could be due to the fact that they are still empty, also a camera trick. Looking at the plans which are traced right out of Doughty you can see the hatches are 5/32" and 1/8" in height respectively. I looked at many different ship models and they seem to be all over the map as far as dimensions go. However I will try a pair at 1/32" shorter just to see if I like that better. I'll just keep trying different things until I'm happy with what I see
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from dgbot in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
My first attempt was trash using 1/8" by 1/16" basswood too soft and ultimately the coamings looked too thick, second attempt I used boxwood 3/64" by 5/32" for both. What I found is that having them the same height didn't quite look right (look below). So next I chose to make the forward coaming 3/64" by 1/8" which looked much better.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from dgbot in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Hi everyone! So I decided I wanted something simple finished on the model and have been practicing on making the frames for the hatches (coamings). While I want to do the final frames in cherry so they are darker than the boxwood grating I have a large supply of boxwood so thought I'd play around and get the hang of using a hobby knife to carve wood. While lots of fun it took me a few tries to get a decent result. Below you can see my approach including a simple lock joint on the edges.
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CharlieZardoz reacted to overdale in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Nice work Charlie,
it's coming along well.
Dan.
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from mtaylor in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Hi Dave, yes I now understand the nature of the breech ring and what it does (do forgive my learning curve), and frolick I guess it is at that, though I'm more surprised I'm building a scratch model so early on. Kits don't have nearly as many judgment calls like choosing cannon sizes or heights of hatches etc. That said it's in my nature to question little details like the assemblage image Joel posted above. The reason why I postponed Sultana was that I realized too many details were uncertain to me and I want to be proud of each model I build. So went for something very simple this time basically a block of wood with no decks and still I'm solving lots of little puzzles. My approach to Sultana now will be much different now that I have worked on this cutter. But yeah I'd love to do a POB or even POF some day (after these solid hulls are done) but the thought of tackling a Hahn style build at this time ooof I can't imagine! People who start Victory as their first model do my head in, how on earth can one finish such a model as their first build?
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from Omega1234 in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
That's a great reference image Joel. With that being so, my approach the hatches probably don't need to be shortened the deck material with account for the difference.
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CharlieZardoz reacted to davyboy in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
Charlie,the "strange ring" would normally be for the gun breeching rope.
Dave
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CharlieZardoz got a reaction from mtaylor in 19th Century 31-ton Revenue Cutter by CharlieZardoz - Scale 1/64 - building as USRC Active based off Doughty plans and BlueJacket Shipcrafters kit
That's a great reference image Joel. With that being so, my approach the hatches probably don't need to be shortened the deck material with account for the difference.
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