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One blasphemous question: Was there perhaps more than a black and white world that we ship modelers usually dwell in ? Does tarred automatically means pitch black? For the hemp often stockholm tar was used. Depending on how hot the destillation was done, it was from brown to black, if diluted by spirits it was even getting quite clear. And also if applied cold or hot made a difference upon the appearence. Also wide spread was the use of other tarred things, in AOTS Bellona the tarring of the hammock crane covers is mentioned and if I understood well, even rain coats could have been tarred. And if one states that tar is not to be applied where things are held in a bare hand, here is a small feature for the baseball fans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_tar see Use of pine tar in baseball ... ... perhaps the tarred ratlines were much a lighter colour in appearance and perhaps the tar even helped too to have a good grip? And weren´t the tarred hands and feet even a feat for the press gangs to find sailors on the dry? Because of these thoughts I decided to opt for darkish brown on my shrouds and a lighter brown for the ratlines as contrast to the untarred (?!?) running rigging :-) Cheers, Daniel PS: Written parallel with Frankie´s wonderful post! By the way, already someone else wondered about black and white ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobyPxNisJ8 Enjoy!
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The bloodshed was minimal - at least among the rabbits in the small house in the background of the pictures ;-) XXXDAn -
Today was girls-out-day :-) My sweet little Vic was seeing her big cousin Royal William from kay. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3174-hms-royal-william-by-kay/page-4 Also Edgar the ship´s cat found its way to join the meeting :-) Also both proud dads ... ... were well prepared :-) :-) :-) And then also came Robert*** to join the party ... http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1749-hmy-royal-caroline-1749-by-tarjack-made-from-bone-m-1-50/page-14 ... envy and grudge started to take its toll ... ... and a hard carnage about the meet started ... ... just luckily there was enough for everybody in the end ;-) Thanks @kay and @Tarjack Truely yours dafi *** See also Robert Volk and Peter Davies-Garner book in German: http://www.amazon.de/Arbeitstechniken-für-Schiffsmodellbau-Robert-Volk/dp/3881807047
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Stowing the anchors
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
I also saw references to more chains being used for security in case of combats. On the other side Nelsons last order was "prepare to anchor after the fight". What did this mean? Already bringing up the anchor cable ?!? Very strange idea to have those prepared and then shot through ... In the meantime I prepared the stream anchor lashing 2.0 :-) As usual, looking around long enough reveales some hints, here Laverys Arming and Fitting page 55. It makes more sense to place the smaler one arm on arm, so no rotating, easy to lash and also the gun port gets a clear view. But still I am a little unsure for the weight hanging on the cannels. I would guess it is a third of weight of both anchors, it is held nicely by the timberheads, but still there is a nice amount on the edge of the thin board, the iron bracket being a bit to the side. I found older sytems on contemporary models with on rope comeing from the timberhead and going round the shaft (appearently without any further lashings) and back to the waist. I would not have dared that :-) XXXDAn
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I like this :-) Daniel
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Merci Mark! Cheers, Daniel
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Nice build :-) Cheers, Daniel
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Some more weekend tinkering. First a small sweet part, a new tie for my little shipyard worker? No a small loop for the surplus rope on the clamp behind the shroud :-) The other ones were left a tad longer. But it was a tough job to place them behind the ratlines. And here the new lashing of the stream anchor 2.0 If one looks long enough, then suddenly: Lavery´s Arming and Fitting page 55, and this makes much more sense. The stream anchor sits neatly arm on arm, can´t rotate, easy to lash and even clears the gun port :-) Grüßle, Daniel
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...okokok... ... they got me, better saying my natural laziness :-) Was hard enough to put the lanyards around the buoy so I used plain rope ... ... even though I knew better that it was meant to be served. So they got me ... ... but I covered the rope with several coats of diluted white glue and splashed some black paint onto it. Perfect for the scale and thickness of the rope :-) Still discussing the color of the buoy rope: The Vic in P. shows light rope and also plenty of contemporary models do ... ... but also plenty show dark ropes. Also in the literature plenty of hints of serving the buoys lanyards, but no mentioning of tarring the buoy rope ... ... but still have luckily the time to research for the big model that´s why I do it :-) Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you Sirs, very appreciated! And before the admiralty kills the buoy believing it is a cockroach with hairy legs I prefered fixing it fast :-) There it hangs on the shrouds ... ... the ropes in nice turns ... ... under the influence of modelmakers gravity ... ... down to where it is fixed on the anchor. And lucky too I was, luckily :-) When I made the buoy I just guessed its size using pictures of the Vic in P. and gave it 1,5 m. Then got panic and searched through the literature which would be the correct size. Took a while until I found in Lee, that it should be a quarter of the shaft´s length. Hastily measured the anchor - 60 mm so my 15 mm are just about fine :-) Cheers, Daniel
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Stowing the anchors
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Hello Allan, thank you a lot, I have both books, as well as Nares, Brady et al. Also McKay describes several times the set up, but always just the front anchor and the catting, but I find no real detailed clue how the aft one is lashed to the channel. If it is shown, I habe my doubt that that is sufficient, especially with the bigger rates ... Schrade, Marquardt show also no news, just Arming and Fitting page 55 shows a version where the aft anchor is shown. Interestingly it shows the stream anchor also on the starboard side. Here it is interesting, that the arm of the smaller one lies upon the arm of the best bower, thus preventing the small one to rotate. Cheers, DAniel -
... my thinking Jan, exactly my thinking ... ... XXXDAn
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Feeling a bit of a worried mind about the traditionally shown way of stowing the anchors. As seen on the Vic in P. come some loops around the stock and leading to the timberhead ... ... a chain around the shaft and a loop that fixes the palm on the small platform. And now the tricky questions: I wonder about those lashings of the stock. Only some turns around stock (or shaft) up to the timberheads? Please consider that still the weight is transmitted over the "thin" boards of the channels with almost no further support? And then the stream anchor on top? And should the stock of the stream anchor not be lashed onto the stock of the best bower? Would also avoid the steam anchor to turn around and give better view for the gun ... ... so I keep wondering ... ... what would be the correct way? Daniel PS: That the stream anchor usually was carried on the port side I wished to be excused in this display :-)
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This time started quite easily with a large scale model of a bacteriophage on a 0,5 mm drill ... ... mirrored and streamlined ... ... one side enroled ... ... other side too ... ... and done :-) That the stream anchor usually was carried on the port side I wished to be excused in this display, but it was too nice a detail to not fiddle it out :-) But now the difficult questions: I wonder about the lashings of the anchors. Only some turns around stock or shaft up to the timberheads? But still the weight is transmitted to the channels with no further support? And then the steam anchor on top? And should the stock of the steam anchor not be lashed onto the stock of the best bower? Would also avoid the steam anchor to turn around and give better view for the gun ... ... so I keep wondering ... ... Daniel
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Great work! XXXDAn
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Thank you Rich and Marc, speaking in football/soccer language: I believe in a 1-2-3 System ... ... one month blockade duty off Nantes or Brest makes more damage to the ship than two hostile encounters with three french ships ... XXXDAn
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Always fun to catch up here! Daniel
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As being an old incremetalist I chose the smallest possible headway - I fixed an anchor :-) Some loops around the stock and the timberhead ... ... a chain around the shaft and a loop around the palm should do the trick for the small display. Luckily the inside can´t be seen ;-) Cheers, Daniel
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The ingenious trick really is, that holes inside the sprue keep the same proportions - everything just scaled down :-) XXXDan
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And here we go again for the big things in life ... ... ... a bit of sprue of 4 mm, a hole of 2 mm drilled in the middle, one pick glued on each side, slowly warmed up on top of a candle and very sloooooooooowly pulled ... ... cut to length, and rewidened the holes using broken 0,3 and 0,5 mm drills: Used a wire hook to glue them onto the backside of the shroud ... ... bound them too for having a stable fixation during rigging ceremony and ready are the shroud trucks. And then came a nice summer bouquet of assorted halyards, sheets, bunt lines, clue lines and tricing lines in a rich assortment of thicknesses. Some clamps still free for the stun´sail´s rigging And now you see the reason, why I went through the task of adding the clamps. But equally exciting was to fix the lines onto them as I had no access from the back ... ... later I will still add some bights. Kenavo, DAniel
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Thank you Philippe and Jan :-) The binnacle is straight after the dimensions given in McKay, I think lLongridge has them too. @amateur Jan, the meet was a bit too tough, they are still chewing on it ... ... or they might just be faking, having heard you mentioning the splicing jobs ... :-) XXXDAn
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Thank you Steve, Popeye and Jan. @amateur : I did not decide yet. The earliest mention I have is ca. 1862 but still it is tempting and it would make big sense to me, as the lanyard is only secured by one half hitch as mentioned in all the literature. Could be tried here and to wait for a possible shitstorm ;-) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6923-securing-the-lanyards-of-the-deadeyes/ The nice thing on such a model is, that one has so many small projects in their own sense, and I believe it to be pure coincidence, that they form a bigger model in the end ;-) Blocks for ... ... another shifting backstay ... ... and the tye for the top mast yard. As everything was well planned before execution, I had to drill some holes in hidden places, so my barbecue skewer drill was asked for, here 0,7 mm it also sets the scale in the picture ... ... and new parts already fixed, to be seen in the second row, or to hardly be seen because mostly hidden and unsharp. . Here is the new grammatical comparisson: tight-more tight-I love it :-) And yes, one more thing, the main tack is also in place. Grüßle, DAniel
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Orgies- we want orgies! The breast backstay is in place, a model in it´s own sense. 3 different types of blocks, 5 different sizes of rope ... ... as I said ... ... orgies - we want orgies! XXXDAn
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Thank you Frank ! And Popeye, this reminds me nicely on an issue we had already :-) ... Nelson: "Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the crow's nest please." Hardy: "That won't be possible, sir." Nelson: "What?" Hardy: "Health and Safety have closed the crow's nest, sir. No harness; and they said that rope ladders don't meet regulations. They won't let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected." Nelson: "Then get me the ship's carpenter without delay, Hardy." Hardy: "He's busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the foredeck Admiral." Nelson: "Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd." Hardy: "Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a barrier-free environment for the differently abled." Nelson: "Differently abled? I've only one arm and one eye and I refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank of admiral by playing the disability card." ... See: http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_200782222.asp http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3609-politically-correct/?hl=%2Bpolitically+%2Bcorrect XXXDAn
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