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And once things move ... ... keep things moving :-) Set up both second backstays ... ... now just missing the breast backstay. And holy Impatience, wanted to see the anchors in place ... ... the lead is thrown ... ... and *enjoy* XXXDAn

... better ... it is hot-dafi-stuff ;-) XXXDAn

Your Good Greatious, mylord Dubz :-) And, do they fit? XXXDAn

Today we have fathers day in Germany. This means, all man and fathers (the ones to be included) take a small hay cart and 3 dozen bottles of beer (for each person) and stroll off into the wild to get comfortably numb. I love fathers day :-) And this year dafi alone at home, so I take my small hay cart and stroll with my 3 dozen bottles of beer from one room of the flat into the next. That´s why I love fathers day :-) Also I claimed my fathers day present: A hair clamp that I shortened so it is less heavy and less lever action is taking it´s toll. The foremost shroud is served but unlike the Vic in P. the serving stops atop the deadeye so it fits better the literature. The clamps are fixed with a drop of CA and then bound with fly fishing yarn. And here I have a small stage win :-) Cheers, Daniel

Always very enjoyable to catch up with this wonderful build! Well done, Daniel

There is the easy road and there is dafi`s way ... ... could have adjusted the clamps so easily before putting the shrouds in place ... ... so had to fiddle the eleven clamps in on the display ... ... to make it sufficiently hard, I too replaced the first two ones by the smaller size ... ... easy way - kiddies way ... ... I´m no kiddy! XXXDAn

And of course, who did the diabolic 666th entry - myself :-) Just realised, thanks you all for watching! XXXDAn

Thank you Jason, now just remains the question of the colour ... ... in last case I throw the dice ... ... XXXDAn

Thank you Popeye :-) Here is a site with all the etches I did so far http://www.dafinismus.de/plates_en.html Those clamps are part of the new Plate 7, that I revised. The old version is to be seen here: ... more ... New pictures of this plate will come soon, as the official release will be this weekend. The new version has shorter hooks, small eyebolts refined and the clamps with the foot as seen on the picture. For the details go to the order-page: http://www.dafinismus.de/order.html Cheers, Daniel

Always a treat to see! Wonderful work, DAniel

Continued my small bric-brac and made 2 more colour trials on the top ... ... finally was able to use my new clamps ... ... and finished the first two big dead eyes. Ship shape und Bristol fashion enough for the scale? Cheers, Daniel

And off we go ... ... trying ratlines in different sizes and colors. Seen by scale, the one in the middle it should be. But done out of 2 x Caenis 20/0 it is a bit too stiff for the job and only available in deepest black. Underneath for comparison my usual 4-thread- 8/0 yarn, good to mix color and great to put in form, but too thick for my taste. The two lines on top are 2-thread-8/0and fits much better size wise, ok to fit but more restricted color wise. Still having the old discussion in my ear about the tarred ratlines, I believe most of them are either to dark or too light, I would personally expect in this case a much lighter brown from the stockholm tar. Already my shrouds have a dark brown touch for that reason, the lines should be more light. So still have to try a bit to get the right tan ... Cheers, Daniel

... YES I confess I stole them ... ... and have to give them back ... ... the good thing is, the order did miss the date of return ;-) XXXDAn

... the hardest still comes ... ... cleaning the pegs before I have to give them back ;-) Admiral´s orders ... XXXDAn

Thanks Kev! Here coms the good night goody ... ... changed the orientation of the z-twist-ropes, used the heavy tools to fiddle the bits as ship shape as possible ... ... got happy about the results ... ... and my favorite picture of the day :-) XXXDAn

Slowly but steadily: it is getting tighter up there :-) And please enjoy the exquisite collection of clamps ... XXXDAn

ROFL :-) Hy Jan, you are talking to a professional landlubber! XXXDAn

I finally found the detail: They took the running end up, through the loop over the deadeye and down again. Is this normal? Look at the small lashings. Cheers, DAniel

Yes it is the tackle :-) I fixed as shown in McKay and Marquardt with the double block on the channels. The running end is shown in both going away horizontally. Could make sense if the tackle was shorter, because then there is no way of pulling the running end down effectively. In Portsmouth those tackles are quite long. And it appears to me that this one was hauled tight and then secured on the top, but could not make it up for shure. What other posible places to belay the running end could there be? Foot of an deadeye? The only one I saw with the running end coming down from the top was Petersson (but with two single blocks). XXXDAn

Here it comes in 17 tomes ;-) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6705-channels-deadeyes-and-shrouds/#entry196080 XXXDAn

During my build on the Victory there is always some need to talk or to explore deeper, and one realizes, that many details are not properly defined and are much more judged merely by kind of mental cinema than researched facts. It started with a discussion in our german forum about the orientation of the free end of the shroud: Always left, always right or different depending on the side of the ship?!? Here we had a research in the common literature and the results were quite similar with: - for the cable-laid shrouds - Starboard side the free end pointing foreward, larboard aft - for plain- or hawser-laid shrouds - Starboard side the free end pointing aft, larboard foreward Background technically wise is that the rope always tends to curl in one direction and the free end should be crossing on the inner side, this leads automatically to the above mentioned orientations. If one simply flips the deadeye the free end would end up outside. And please do not refer to the shrouds star- and larboard having different twists: Forget it, that is a marine myth created by Mr. Monfeld and is already revoked by himself - not without some gnashing of teeth on his side ;-) Here some literature with the above mentioned orientation in green Schrage Rundhölzer ... page 81 Fig. 224/226 "Von außen gesehen wurden die Kabelweis geschlagenen Wanttaue von rechts nach links um die Jungfer gelegt, so dass an jeder Schiffsseite der Tamp hinter dem Want an der rechten Seite des Wanttaus zu liegen kam. Dort wo sich beide Parten über der Jungfer kreuzen, wurde die erste Bindselung angelegt und der rechts liegende Tamp mit zwei Plattbindselungen am Wanttau befestigt." Marquardt, Schoner in Nord und Süd page 128 Fig 41 "Bei kabelgeschlagenen war das Ende oberhalb der Juffer links beigebunden (an Backbordseite nach hinten weisend), während trossengeschlagene entgegengesetzt beigebunden wurden." Lee Masting and Rigging ... Drawing pages 40 and 42 as mentioned above (only one side shown) Petersson Rigging period Fore-and-Aft Craft Drawing page 16 as mentioned above (only one side shown) Petersson Rigging period shipmodels Drawing page 2 bis 4 as mentioned above (only one side shown) Harland Seamanship Drawing page 22 as mentioned above (only one side shown) Darcy Lever Sheet Anchor "The Lanyard has a ... Knot ... cast on the end ; which is placed the reversed way to what the end of the Shroud is: thus in Cable laid Shrouds, the ends on the larbord side lies aft; on the starboard side forewards; ..." Drawing page 24 as mentioned above (only one side shown) Boudriot shows the same orientation for the frensh (thanks to pollux for the information) The Victory in Portsmouth was shown the same way (at least until the actual rerigging) Nares, Brady und Biddlecombe only describe Cutter Stay fashion The only one telling the other direction is Marquardt in Eighteenth Century Rigs and Rigging, which contradicts his own Book Schooner Nord und Süd On this occasion I found some other useful information: - Max. distance of the big deadeyes twice diameter - Tackle about half the diameter of the shroud - Shroud not too tight around the deadeye - free end of the tackle passes through the gap of deadeye and shroud - free end not too long But it left me with some further questions: - The top-mast shrouds were plain laid or cable laid (cablets)? Plain laid would mean that the ends would be pointing the other way than on the lower shrouds. - The same for backstays? - The distance of twice diameter of the deadeye looks good on the lower shrouds lanyards. Is this applicable too for the topmast shrouds? There the distance usually looks much longer in comparison? - When was the batten on top of shrouds introduced to maintain their orientation? Marquardt only makes a small remark in the picture section telling "about 1800". - Was this also introduced for the topmast shrouds? popeye2sea already replied one hint: Steels, Art of Rigging simply states "Dead-eyes are turned into the lower end of the top mast shrouds, as the lower ones are into to lower shrouds. (Thank you mate!!!) Cheers, Daniel

I already digged the usual suspects and will soon give an account :-) XXXDAn

Thank you Mark and Popeye! I will put some further remarks*** and details over there ... It is getting tighter ... XXXDAn *** sorry MArk, no pun intended ;-)

Just added the difference inbetween cable-laid shrouds and plain- or hawser-laid shrouds in the entry upstairs :-) This leads me to some further question: - The top-mast shrouds were plain laid? This means the ends are pointing the other way than on the lower shrouds. - The distance of twice diameter of the deadeye looks good on the lower shrouds lanyards. Is this applicable too for the topmast shrouds? There the distance usually looks much longer in comparison? - When was the batten on top of shrouds introduced to maintain their orientation? Marquardt only makes a small remark in the picture section telling "about 1800". - Was this also introduced for the topmast shrouds? Cheers, Daniel

After some lenghty but fruitful discussion in our german forum about the orientaion of the free end left or right, forth or aft we found that almost all literature shows it the way that it is displayed: - for the cable-laid shrouds - Starboard pointing foreward, larboard aft :-) - for plain- or hawser-laid shrouds - Starboard pointing aft, larboard foreward :-) The opnly one showing it vica versa is Marquardt in his Eighteenth Century Rigs and Rigging, funnily, his other book Schoner in Nord und Süd shows it the "common" way. Some other information coming the way was incorporated immediately - Max. distance of the big deadeyes twice diameter - Tackle about half the diameter of the shroud - Shroud not too tight around the deadeye - free end of the tackle passes through the gap of deadeye and shroud - free end shorter And here we go Mark 2: before: After Still have to clear and belay the tackles to look less messy :-) XXXDAn