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Some more findings NMM Royal George SLR0336 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66297.html NMM "Barfleur" SLR0453 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66414.html "So called"-Vic SLR0513 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66474.html HMS Victory 2003 a bit free flying ... and Bellona even more on the loose side of life ... Bellona SLR0338 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66299.html Lee describes the pendants as seen on the first two pictures on page 130. XXXDAn

And here I go again. Wanted to do something easy for once ... ... took some sheet and made the lids for the stern ports ... ... rememberd not to do a rabbet on all sides ... ... after having done it si cured it with 05 mm x 5 mm Evergreen. Was happy mac to finally use some of my etch parts on my own build :-) Made 0,7 mm ringlets ... ... mounted them on the eyebolts, blackened them, mounted them , painted the lids ... ... fixed them on the appropriate place and put the lanyards. And what can one already see on the picture? Break, Intermezzo, short review Sometimes in spring 2011 (it was April 11., at 14.41 o´clock) I pimped my rudder ... ... but what has it to do with my actual build? Ok, here we go. Nicely into the groove, I wanted to do the rudder pendants. Realised that the eyebolt to hold them - fixed somehow years ago and now hidden underneath the port lid and therefor inaccessible - and replaced it beside the port on stemwards. Fixed the pendants as seen on the Vic in P., taking care that the sweep of the rudder is not limited by it ... ... und gleich den fehlenden oberen Beschlag des oberen Fingerlings entdeckt und ergänzt. One can guess, troubles were already waiting to strike! If one looks close, one can see three things: Why is the pendant dragging the waters? Why is the end of the tiller pointing out that far? And why did me stupid make the rudder blade that high for that now canvas cover can be fixed ?!? Questions over questions ... If you look at the picture before the intermezzo, one can see already the shortened tiller - no easy task as the rudder cant be taken out any more and is only hanging on the fable pintles - and also the rudder blade was shortened by some 5 mm - one can guess also no easy task as the rudder cant be taken out any more and is only hanging on the fable pintles. Both me and the model survived and the pendants were fixed with some freshly repositioned eyebolts as seen on contemporary models and also as described by Lee. The ropes leading to the channels are not the real ones yet - those should have 11 inch (after Steel) as they should hold some things in case of emergency. By the way the same size as the buoy rope! So are these enough hints for the question? Cheers, DAniel

A hint: No waterski for the hold rats either ;-) XXXDAn

Slowly coming back to normal ... ... and immediately the question: What the hell is he building now ?!? ...hihihihihihi... XXXDAn

Another important use of the pendants was mentioned by peternalis in our german forum: They too were used as lifts to reship the rudder back onto the pintles if unshiped. And of course to unship it for repair reasons. XXXDAn

I proudly and honestly request the honor award medal for most useless efforts in model building ... ... ... master of futile extra work ... ... ... chief of rip offs and rip downs ... ... ... XXXDAn

Finally looking like guns XXXDAn

After the second side entry port here another "unfinished business": One of the 4 rows of draughtmarks was still missing. After some fights with the other rows I tried a new way ... ... glued the parts face down on both sided tape ... .. and sprayed the back with spray glue. Then cut loose ... ... flipped up and grabbed with pliers (no tweezers!) ... ... placed it and pressed in place with some tweezers. Still can be moved around and be turned in peace and quiet ... ...and applied some very thin CA with a pointed wooden stick for permanent fixation. Better result than the other ones and in record time and no part flew int nirvana :-) XXXDAn

Thank you Kevin, did not know this one. The only one of this time is the famous painting from Monamy Swain with no port, but this was the other side of the ship. So this leaves the question: port or no port or just one sided? You have the choice :-) XXDAn

The side entry port is seen on all the pictures after 1870 - just one port more aft :-) Vic was planned with a side entry port of the old fashion. Until then it is widely seen in models, drafts, painings and drawings. In about 1760 it disappears on paintings (painters convention?) and also drafts (unimportant detail?) perhaps a side effect of the war of independence and others? But on the other side, the reported armament of the Vic always is one gun per side short, so one "good" gunport always was to stay empty. By 1800´s the side entry port reappears in drawings and models, so it is pure speculation if or if not she was fitted with one in 1803 while the great repair. But it is a toooooo nice detail to build so I take this place of liberty :-) Cheers, Daniel

Thank you Mark, i think there are no proves for a sliding door in this area. I had a small discussion already here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/333-side-entry-ports-on-british-first-and-second-rates/?hl=%2Bside+%2Bentry+%2Bport And as I was on the gooooooooooooooo, the old paneling on the other side ... ... was thrown out too and replaced. But as a goody ... ... I fixed the ropes to help to go aloft :-) XXXDAn

Thank you!!! Painted the side parts of the entry port, first yellow ochre ... ... added the gold ... ... starts to look quite noble :-) Then the old question about closing the port: Just for discussion: once like a gunport lid solid ... ... and once painted sailcloth on a wooden frame like the bulkheads. Both Versions ... ... on the backside once a solid board, once as a frame, both with eyebolts to hold. And now again the question - how was the side entry port closed?!? Asked Karl Heinz Marquardt, he knows of no system, even speculates on leaving the port open. I believe there must have been something as there were sleeping hammocks just beside. As all doors or other permanent fittings were sooner or later represented in models, I guess upon a flexible solution, a board or a frame with sailcloth, logically fixed on the outside like a gunport lid but held towards the inner side by eyebolts and rope. So any idea or even better proves how it was fixed ?!? Cheers Daniel XXXDAn

And now some other important steps in life :-) Applied a very thin layer of paint to judge the situation ... ... and realised immediately that some steps were applied a bit crooked. So taking them down carefully, reglueing and filling the gaps. (see #573 ) Prepared the doorway of the port ... ... carved the panelling ... ... and it looks already more friendly than some days ago :-) XXXDAn

... they already have the beef in the mouth but still are chewing for quite a while already ... ... thats why they still sit for so long in front of the now empty plates ... ... or are they waiting to be served as the helper with the barrel wanting to catch the rations still is waiting in front of the stairway to heaven - means the companionway that leads into nowhere towards the not yet done stove above on the still non existing middle deck ... ... ... smells like mutiny could break out soon ... ... ... XXXDAn

Worth every "like" given :-) And even more!!! Cheers, DAniel

Always a treat to see! XXXDAn

Sooooooooo it looks already a bit more friendly by now ... ... closed the gaps with Evergreen and Apoxy-Sculpt ... ... and the new steps are a awaiting :-) A good trick to get an even result ist to just first fix every second one ... ... and use the ones in between to average out the rhythm :-) And to finish put the crown onto its place :-) Cheers, Daniel

@amateur ... anyway his place is on the quarterdeck, where the plaque is "here is where Nelson will fall" @keith ... yeah, the beaf appears to be a bit tough at times ... XXXDAn

... as if I ever knew what I was planning ... ... would save a lot of work from the devastation team ,-) The pale color was on purpose and much more a hint towards the flavorless food combined with seasickness. Was this too much or should I still add a faint green shade over the faces? Anyway, I think the lower deck still holds some subjects to discover for me and I am looking forwards to endeavor those realms of ignorance on my side. Let the odyssey continue :-) XXXDAn

:-) Thank you all, especially Matti, hope your thump swells down soon !!! @Dubz: ... do not forget davatation!!! @clearway: would hurt more to keep it it the way it was :-) @Jan: the stern is just snapped in and still removable to have easier access.

*blowingoffthedust* ... yep ... *coff* ... here we go again ... *wavingthedustcloudsaway* ... starter finished, now back to the main course :-) Where have we been? Okokok ... ... alright ... ... heavy partying ... ... with social games :-) And what to do as reentry to the topic ?!? ... ... ... ... ... of course ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... destruction !!! I just realised, I never replaced the entry port and the side steps on the larboard side. Cheers, Daniel

I also love "mount a fish" page 83 :-) XXXDAn

Just found these wonderful pictures and that add to the topic of lost rudders as a small flavor :-) HMS 'Trafalgar' losing her rudder-head in a north-easterly gale off Malta, 1 February 1852; PAI0863 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/150803.html HMS 'Trafalgar' sailing into Malta Harbour with loss of her rudder head after a gale, 9 February 1852; PAI0864 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/150804.html XXXDAn

Grandfather, what big hands you have ...?!? Magnificent work, as usually! Chhers, Daniel PS: Is there still a mast foot of the big one missing?

The sketch of Turner shows Victory after Trafalgar with all the bulkheads undernbeath the poop still stripped after Trafalgar. Also some 1900th pictures show the same. XXXDAn