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Gerhardvienna reacted to johnhoward in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Gerhard,
I think you are pretty safe using the Constellation's second cutter drawing sized for 26-feet OAL. I'm amazed at how fast you move from subject to subject on your model.
Attached is a photo taken last week of our paddle wheel model in its assembly jig that might be of interest. This is the third of the 4 identical rings we need. It is all brass, consisting of a machined pocketed hub and 2 axle collars, .032" thick sheet brass 6" diameter inner ring, 11" diameter outer ring, and 17 spokes , all riveted together with #18 brass escutcheon pins. We first prototyped this ring assembly, axle and bellcranks using a laser printer as shown in the other photos before committing to brass parts. The tricky part of the paddlewheel will be its final assembly with its "birds nest" of thin rod cross bracing. We are experimenting with the use of continuous fine multi filament brass wire, stretched taut with tin solder wicked into the wire at each ring intersection to secure it in place. We were planning to use an electric motor to demonstrate the paddlewheel in operation however the museum doesn't want any power in their display cabinets.
johnhoward
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Gerhardvienna reacted to vossiewulf in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
I find the decision process easier than that, I long ago decided that if I think "hmm maybe I should fix that, it's really not as good as I want" then I should just stop and fix it. If it's bubbled up to that point in my mind it's something that will annoy me every time I look at it and disappoint me when I show the result to others so it seems to me the decision is pretty obvious. It may involve a considerable number of profane invectives of course and possibly throwing some of the offending bits around the room once you have them off, but no point in delaying or waffling about it - if you think you maybe should fix it, you should.
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Tadeusz43 in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi johnhoward
Thank you, again....
Would be great, if you could show both pics in higher resolution, so I could scale them to the correct measure for the Cairo. The cutter length has been around 26 feet, IF i have measured that correct from the plans, just the launch missing in its length and width. The plans dont show the boats correct, even the Bob Hill plans show 4 equal boats!
Beneath the searching for the correct boats I managed to redo the field carriage. This was too wide with 22 mm, should have been only 18 mm. So I opened some of the soldering spots, shortened the parts, and soldered them together again. Width is now at 18 mm, just the axles are longer. They will be cut to correct length, when the wheels are made. And I started with the boat carriage, most parts are done, have a look at that!
Thank you all for watching & your nice likes!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Piet in SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 1897 by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - scale 1:144 - POF - first German four stacker of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line
Hi Nils
Superb work!
Not more to say..........................
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from mtaylor in SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 1897 by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - scale 1:144 - POF - first German four stacker of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line
Hi Nils
Superb work!
Not more to say..........................
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from mtaylor in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
So this is all I have too for the boats. Therefore I think i will go with the Constellatin`s "second cutter", this is very close to the 26 ft cutter from the CAIRO. I have printed the plan, and will build a first test boat to get a clue how they would fit to the ship. At the moment I`m working on the drawings for the paddlewheel, their rims will be photoetched. As I have some parts more for the etching company, I`m trying to get them at once.
Best regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna reacted to johnhoward in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Great work Roger on your USS Catskills model and thanks for the ship's boats technical information.
The source for USS Cairo's boats is not included in the list of suppliers in the NPS Historical Structural Report so I assume they were provided by the US Navy yards and not built locally by Eads in St. Louis. The Cairo was only under Navy control the short time between October 1862 until December 1862 when it was sunk by a mine so most of its combat action was when under Army management. It may have been refurbished upon switching commands.
My team is building the Cairo sister ship, USS St. Louis at 1:24 scale as she appeared just prior to this October 1862 transfer. The only reliable ship's boats information we have found is the distance between the Cairo's boat support davits which were recovered from the Yazoo River in 1963.
johnhoward
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Gerhardvienna reacted to rafine in SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 1897 by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - scale 1:144 - POF - first German four stacker of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line
Once again Nils, what is there to say but "fantastic".
Bob
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Roger Pellett in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
So this tells me, I`m relativley free in my decision what boats I use, as long as they stay in the measuring of that. Great job on your USS. Catskills, the Howitzer is a nice example of what can be done! Thanks for sharing!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from WackoWolf in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
So this tells me, I`m relativley free in my decision what boats I use, as long as they stay in the measuring of that. Great job on your USS. Catskills, the Howitzer is a nice example of what can be done! Thanks for sharing!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna reacted to Mirabell61 in SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 1897 by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - scale 1:144 - POF - first German four stacker of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line
Small update....
I`m still looking for a suitable set of steering wheels in scale 1:144......
Have made the two bearing compasses for the outer end bridge wings, the two machine telegraphs, and the main bridge compass-column with it`s trimming magnets for nautical alignment setting
Nils
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Gerhardvienna reacted to popeye the sailor in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
I'm thinking that you haven't painted them........just the color of the wood that's throwing you off. John has a cool head.....if it looks good Mark, leave it
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from tadheus in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi johnhoward
Thank you, again....
Would be great, if you could show both pics in higher resolution, so I could scale them to the correct measure for the Cairo. The cutter length has been around 26 feet, IF i have measured that correct from the plans, just the launch missing in its length and width. The plans dont show the boats correct, even the Bob Hill plans show 4 equal boats!
Beneath the searching for the correct boats I managed to redo the field carriage. This was too wide with 22 mm, should have been only 18 mm. So I opened some of the soldering spots, shortened the parts, and soldered them together again. Width is now at 18 mm, just the axles are longer. They will be cut to correct length, when the wheels are made. And I started with the boat carriage, most parts are done, have a look at that!
Thank you all for watching & your nice likes!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Canute in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
So this tells me, I`m relativley free in my decision what boats I use, as long as they stay in the measuring of that. Great job on your USS. Catskills, the Howitzer is a nice example of what can be done! Thanks for sharing!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Canute in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
The plans just show 4 identical boats, so we can just guess what kind of boats they really had. I found Wilsons Book on Google https://archive.org/details/anoutlineshipbu00wilsgoog and saved it immediatley. Even if the Chapelle drawings were not useful for the CAIRO, I would like to save them for "later use" in my archive. So, if you have some better drawings for the boats, I (and WE) would appreciate to see them too, so I could make the choice what boats I will use for the ship. I`m unluckily not that good in drawing my own plans, so I will need some good drawings for that.
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from JerryTodd in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi johnhoward
Thank you, again....
Would be great, if you could show both pics in higher resolution, so I could scale them to the correct measure for the Cairo. The cutter length has been around 26 feet, IF i have measured that correct from the plans, just the launch missing in its length and width. The plans dont show the boats correct, even the Bob Hill plans show 4 equal boats!
Beneath the searching for the correct boats I managed to redo the field carriage. This was too wide with 22 mm, should have been only 18 mm. So I opened some of the soldering spots, shortened the parts, and soldered them together again. Width is now at 18 mm, just the axles are longer. They will be cut to correct length, when the wheels are made. And I started with the boat carriage, most parts are done, have a look at that!
Thank you all for watching & your nice likes!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from cog in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
The plans just show 4 identical boats, so we can just guess what kind of boats they really had. I found Wilsons Book on Google https://archive.org/details/anoutlineshipbu00wilsgoog and saved it immediatley. Even if the Chapelle drawings were not useful for the CAIRO, I would like to save them for "later use" in my archive. So, if you have some better drawings for the boats, I (and WE) would appreciate to see them too, so I could make the choice what boats I will use for the ship. I`m unluckily not that good in drawing my own plans, so I will need some good drawings for that.
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from popeye the sailor in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi johnhoward
Thank you, again....
Would be great, if you could show both pics in higher resolution, so I could scale them to the correct measure for the Cairo. The cutter length has been around 26 feet, IF i have measured that correct from the plans, just the launch missing in its length and width. The plans dont show the boats correct, even the Bob Hill plans show 4 equal boats!
Beneath the searching for the correct boats I managed to redo the field carriage. This was too wide with 22 mm, should have been only 18 mm. So I opened some of the soldering spots, shortened the parts, and soldered them together again. Width is now at 18 mm, just the axles are longer. They will be cut to correct length, when the wheels are made. And I started with the boat carriage, most parts are done, have a look at that!
Thank you all for watching & your nice likes!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from mtaylor in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
So this tells me, I`m relativley free in my decision what boats I use, as long as they stay in the measuring of that. Great job on your USS. Catskills, the Howitzer is a nice example of what can be done! Thanks for sharing!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna reacted to Jim Lad in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
Not my model, Mark, but I think if it was I might be inclined to leave to holly in if it looks good.
John
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Gerhardvienna reacted to Roger Pellett in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
The whole subject of US Navy ships boats supplied to the fleet prior to 1900 is a bit of a black hole. Prior to the late 1890's ships boats were not standardized, being designed by the boat shops at each navy yard. The boats from Chapelle's book were designed at the Washington Navy Yard and those for Jerry Todd's Constellation at the Norfolk Navy Yard. There are boat allowances that at least specify overall dimensions for boats allowed to be carried by different classes. See, for example, William Brady's Kedge Anchor. A 26ft launch is to have a breadth of 7.4ft and a depth of 3.4ft. A 26ft cutter a breadth of 6.6ft and a depth of 2.4ft (this dimension might not include the cutter's wash strake). Complicating this fact is that we don't know where the boats for the river gunboats came from. Were they built at St Louis or were they supplied by one of the Navy yards? Additionally complicating things is the fact that the gunboat fleet was originally controlled by the Army, later transferred to the Navy. Boats were subject to hard usage and were always being knocked about, so the lifetime of an individual boat might have been short.
I thought that you might enjoy photos of a 26ft cutter and a boat howitzer that I built for my 1:96 scale model of the monitor USS Catskills.
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Canute in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi johnhoward
Thank you, again....
Would be great, if you could show both pics in higher resolution, so I could scale them to the correct measure for the Cairo. The cutter length has been around 26 feet, IF i have measured that correct from the plans, just the launch missing in its length and width. The plans dont show the boats correct, even the Bob Hill plans show 4 equal boats!
Beneath the searching for the correct boats I managed to redo the field carriage. This was too wide with 22 mm, should have been only 18 mm. So I opened some of the soldering spots, shortened the parts, and soldered them together again. Width is now at 18 mm, just the axles are longer. They will be cut to correct length, when the wheels are made. And I started with the boat carriage, most parts are done, have a look at that!
Thank you all for watching & your nice likes!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from mtaylor in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi Roger
The plans just show 4 identical boats, so we can just guess what kind of boats they really had. I found Wilsons Book on Google https://archive.org/details/anoutlineshipbu00wilsgoog and saved it immediatley. Even if the Chapelle drawings were not useful for the CAIRO, I would like to save them for "later use" in my archive. So, if you have some better drawings for the boats, I (and WE) would appreciate to see them too, so I could make the choice what boats I will use for the ship. I`m unluckily not that good in drawing my own plans, so I will need some good drawings for that.
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from cog in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Hi johnhoward
Thank you, again....
Would be great, if you could show both pics in higher resolution, so I could scale them to the correct measure for the Cairo. The cutter length has been around 26 feet, IF i have measured that correct from the plans, just the launch missing in its length and width. The plans dont show the boats correct, even the Bob Hill plans show 4 equal boats!
Beneath the searching for the correct boats I managed to redo the field carriage. This was too wide with 22 mm, should have been only 18 mm. So I opened some of the soldering spots, shortened the parts, and soldered them together again. Width is now at 18 mm, just the axles are longer. They will be cut to correct length, when the wheels are made. And I started with the boat carriage, most parts are done, have a look at that!
Thank you all for watching & your nice likes!
Regards
Gerhard
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Gerhardvienna got a reaction from Tadeusz43 in USS CAIRO by Gerhardvienna - RADIO - live steam
Some more steps done for the small carriage, just the wheels, barrel and the frame for the ammo boxes missing.
Thank you for watching
Regards
Gerhard
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