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    Further study reveals that the root of both the bowsprit and the jibboom were squared off as they entered the hull. the clear images of her bow and figurehead reveals this. I'm sure some *spring* was evident in both bowsprit and jibboom. Masts could become *sprung* when they became loose in the seats...caused by excessive force applied by extreme weather. Rob
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    And that is the hood on its upper edge..under the bowsprit? Interesting...and images show her bowsprit at a slightly greater angle from that of the hood. Rob
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    That would probably not be a bad idea. The process of elimination...no matter how minor can yield valuable information. Rob
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    Oh Rich, in that silhouette of Glory....it appears odd....Why is her forward left leg missing and appearing absent and why is there light coming in from behind her back? I've actually never seen this image before. Another note....the steeve can be determined from the angle of the bowsprit and either the waterline or the keel. Now if the waterline...one has to hopefully assume the hull is trim. However, that method can be wrought with error. I would tend to use the solid keel line for sucha measurement. When I made my measurements...it was based upon the assumption that the amidships waterline was true parallel to the keel. But distortions induced by the vanishing point made the attempt more an endeavor of hope then sound mathematics. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I was under the impression her entire back and toga were affixed to the hood? Rob
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    Oh, I assumed as much. I only posted not to be critical, but to show exactly what you just pointed out. Many measurements we do know can aid us in figuring out the measurements we don’t know. This entire exercise has been just that. I’m hoping our Australian friend can incorporate some of what we discovered into more accurate drawings. Or possibly we will . I think if we couple Mikes overall body plan ,with our corrected bow details, we might have an extremely close representation. The best one could hope for.
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    Wonderful images...I took the liberty to make an observation of the figureheads curved dimensions.....and how she's a bit under sized. Great drawing by the way. Rob
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    I agree. A computer aided design of her would yield useful info. I had the idea of building a small model of her and comparing it to actual photos of her from similar angles as you suggested. I have a pretty good eye...so I always use imagery of her when measurements are not available. It all is close estimations anyway....until someone unearths her actual drawing made by McKay himself from some lost attic or cellar. Rob
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    You can easily see the add on additional 2 backstays. Wonderful clear example. Thanks Rich and Mike
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    Several things Rich, You can’t use any of the buildings as references for plumb. Because in both images you cannot be sure of the hulls trim, nor it’s relationship to the buildings or pier. Next , I established the amidship waterline by extending the copper water line forward. It will not be parallel to the keel line because of vanishing horizon line. When viewing any object from any vantage point it always has a distant vanishing point. The visual deception is made when the curve of the ships hull bends the copper waterline in to the curve or round bow. But if you were viewing the hull at a waterline profile the waterline and keel lines would be parallel . By doing this math, I created an internal horizontal plane to establish the inclination of the bowsprit . If you look at the image you will see that the hull grows smaller as it travels down the ways to the stern. Every line you draw down the hull, though they maybe parallel , they always appear getting closer as they reach the stern. This is the horizontal vanishing point. See how I figured it out?
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    I forgot to post an image of this wonderful book I have...about figureheads. You might want to get a copy for your own library. Rob
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    One last note of importance....I was able to determine from the amidships waterline that the bowsprit's angle is 23 degrees. Nearly the 22.5 degrees what Mike claims. We can't be that far off...really! Rob
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    Interesting...what are you using for your vertical plumb to establish the 20 degrees? You could be using the buildings..but that doesn't guarantee the ship is trim in the water. I'm revisiting my original drawings and measurements and I'm finding that through refinements I have come to the determination that her stem is not my original estimation of 7 degrees but 8.5 degrees. I redrew with better accuracy the keel horizontal...which will induce error in all other measurements. They too have been corrected now with the new data. I've determined that her inner bobstay plate is the same distance from the original copper line as is the length of her figurehead....90". Depending on what image you are looking at, her naval hood is roughly twice the length of her figurehead....180". It appears her copper line had been raised 45" by the time her picture was taken when she was fitting out in 1911 for her Alaska sailing. This is noted by the over coppering of her outer bobstay plate, which is not how she was originally coppered. I'm having so much fun researching all the changes to the Glory..when they were instituted and the like. It wasn't till Mike came over that I even learned that Glory had a mod that added 2 backstays to her fore and main masts...that didn't go through the existing channels, but were simply bolted to her side like a British clipper....Fun info. Here is a new image with some new lines on it. Keep up the good work.
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    I have friends who build in this scale...it actually makes for very fine models. I was planning on using my vacuum former to make copies from a *Master* model. In this way I can make several hulls exactly the same and then work the deck as need be. the models would be small enough to occupy the same base...but show the distinct differences as she evolved. The entire project would be in of itself one single display by itself. I utilized this method when I was commissioned to build a model of the steam skiff *Puffin* for the Seattle Wooden Boats Maritime Museum. I calculated around 6".....maybe it is 1/600. 1" = 50' 5.3" I'm a simple man.... Rob
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    Yes...that is a famous painting. I've read that since the Confederates traded with England....they would capture clippers even in their ports and destroy them. Not to mention any that tried to make it past their blockade to the south around the horn. It is a true sadness that the war decimated, not only the clippers but our dominance in world trade.
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    Yes...and we can thank the American Civil war for that as well. Hundreds of clippers were taken or burned as victims of war by the South. Mike tells me that he is getting a grip on his collection and that he will, in some time, be able to track down some more images. He thinks we are coming along nicely and that the corrections I've made make sense and are bringing us closer to Glory's true design. I hope to make several small models(Possibly 1:700) of her as she was originally built and as her final configuration....to provide a true comparison of her evolution. Rob
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    This figurehead is from the clipper America. She was totally white and is now at a resort called Rosario in the PNW. Beautiful
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    That deck house measurement wasn't for clippers...just an example of how designers used symmetry in constructing their vessels. I was referencing the WIDTH of the cabin not length. It was easy to use body parts as measuring tools....and ship parts were utilized in the same way. Pretty cool huh? Rob
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    Interesting note to ponder. It was not uncommon for captains to paint the figurehead prior to entering port. This detail was left up to the privy of the captain. I tend to think....from painting evidence and those of first hand recollections, that she was originally all white....similarly like the Cutty Sark. She too was repainted when she fell to Portuguese ownership as the Ferreira....dark hair and a blue dress. This might be taken into account... the dark hair and gold trim of her flowing gowns fringe. Regardless....white paint would have been easiest......though I think I recall reading somewhere, her being repainted with bright red lips and cheeks once. Rob
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    My calculations place it roughly at 24' as well. 3' before the first band and 3' past the 7th band. 8, 3' spaces equal 24" Rob
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    Rich... that is actually 9' from the inner bobstay eyelet, 12' from the outer. Those eyelets were probably bolted through the iron bands for strength. Rob
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    Good information. That 3' band distance is good to know when calculating head gear and hood dimensions. I emailed Mike about what I've been up to and hope he jumps in here to see. I didn't post any of my images directly to him via email. He and Arina check these pages often I think. I can't post too many images from work to his email. Thanks for all your work and communications with Mike...it helps a lot. Rob
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    Beautiful Michael.....can't wait to see what you do with her. Rob
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    Several interesting notes. Her inner bobstay mounts to the bowsprit roughly 7.5ft (90")from the head of the figurehead...which happens to be the length of the figurehead. Also noted is that the distance from the head of the figurehead outward from the vertical from the cutwater(entrance of the hull into the water or copper line) is exactly the same distance as the length of two figureheads or 180". One thing is for sure(and this was true for many clipper builders), they built them utilizing their own measurements. Meaning the length of a foremast from the prow of the forecastle was the length of the lower foremast, or the width of deck houses was the distance from foremast to mainmast multiplied 4 times. Lots of unique measurement tricks allowed the shipwrights to keep things simple, yet elegantly balanced. Rememberable.
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    Playing with the new images...I took some measurements and using the figurehead as the foundation and the height of the copper line I was able to make some changes to my drawing that better mimics the San Pedro image. As you can see I altered the stem to have more of a parabolic curve...being more vertical exiting the water and then making the curve up and forward to the foot of the figurehead. The figurehead is a sloppy mess...but is 7.5ft long and the hood's length is 2 and one third the length of the figurehead. The copper line to the false keel is 22ft. Scale is 1/8" to 1'------
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    Great images for sure. That first is when she is being fitted out for Salmon factory service. It gives us a clear view of her naval hood and the bowsprit. wonderful. The jib-boom's root is better seen here as well. I'll take some new measurements and try to validate some things...using your figurehead idea. Love it...we are getting much more info for a much better model. Rob

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