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I completely agree. My *rant* was suggestive of the 5% you cannot interpret accurately....because of a lack of evidence or through the failure to truly validate an aspect. I don't believe any of us have been exercising artistic license in leu of true calculable data. But at times it will happen. Not every thing can be known...even from the limited photographic evidence we do have. It has been shown that even first hand recollections can be skewed. Exampled by the news paper articles we have inspected. Your attention to details has been paramount in us gaining a true picture of Glory's figure. Rob
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I'm an advocate of *There are many ways to skin a cat*. One persons way may not be another's...that's OK. I'm a hack builder..I tend to use other peoples engineered things and convert them into my own purpose. I'll use whatever material I can find to fashion into what ever I am building. I'm not a *Purist* by any stretch of the meaning. My model will consist of woods, plastics, paper, metals, waxes, fillers, bondo's, Gypsum, Just about anything I can use to create the final outcome. So don't be surprised...... Rob
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Hey Vlad...hows things coming along? Have you begun planking her yet? Rob
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That elusive 5% my be escaping us because we fail to recognize that it is actually artistic license. I can assure you, that even though we all are engaged and concur, we will all produce slightly dissimilar models of her. One, attenuates one small detail over another....one internalizes one aspect over another and will focus more heavily on their own interpretation of that aspect, or will not give it a thought. Scale, plays a huge part in ones representative depiction of detail....and skill provides the illusion or replication of that detail. Mike was telling me during our meeting that his errors were those caused by a single point of view and reference. If he had a group, similar to ours...bouncing opinion and observations off one another....with there own grasp of the subject matter and applied skills....he too would have produced a more accurate model/drawing of Glory of the Seas hull himself. He is tickled pink that after so many years, a group of like minded historian model shipwrights have taken up the task to pick up his mantle and push toward the mark of a true depiction of a beloved nautical masterpiece. Rob
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Doris is in a field by herself. To be named in the same sentence with her is truly an honor. I can only attribute my skill to God and to over 30 years of dental laboratory and machining experience. Plus its nice to have all the tools and goodies to help you. I truly do not attempt to compare myself to others ability...we all have our strong and weak points. I do, however, appreciate the encouragement and enthusiastic edification. Rob
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Yes Vlad...I have some extremely small crown and bridge bits that are smaller then an 1/3 of a mm to help in my carving...but I still think my ability to carve the human form is lacking. Good thing she was partially covered by a toga. I do fondly appreciate your kind words. I had hoped that if I start out with her as my opening subject and do well enough I will motivate myself to continue in her wake with similar detail. Your words are very motivating...thank you. I will be getting your book sent out soon. Rob
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Thanks for the wonderful compliment. It is as you say....a hard subject. A lot goes out to the original carver of her in full scale. Did you notice the bow image of Glory in your first name board picture?
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Well..I put my hand at carving a 7/8" Athena. It was a struggle but I think for this scale it will have to do. I just ain't no carver of the human figure.. It isn't perfect but.......I'm no carver....did I say that? Here are a few pics of my trouble.
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That might be true...I do have an extensive clipper ship library..not to mention all the other nautical ship books I have. Rob
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Yes that was also a factor that made her unseaworthy for sucha voyage. But We're gonna rebuild her in all her Glory......... Rob
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Samuel Samuels book...*From Forecastle to Cabin*...is then a must read for you Rich. It was an amazing look into the clipper ship life. Rob
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Yes...most likely because she was on the West coast and the state of her hull(hogged) and her extremely reduced masts and rigging....prevented her from making a trip around the horn. Just too expensive a prospect...and nobody on the West coast wanted her...not even San Fran. Rob
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Lastly..this is a bad image of the painting that will grace the dusk jacket of his new book....... Rob
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And lastly a new one of her at Endolyne prior to her burning.
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Here is another of her at the Tacoma cold storage docks...after her starboard name board and figurehead had been removed. A lot can be gained from this image.... I can't seem to right the image....
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OK....I promised some new images of Glory. Now Mike is still looking for his drawings of her stern carvings...but he assures me he has them and will soon send them to me. Here is an image of the stern of Glory...partially skewed by tree branches. But the stern name and origin are after she was sent to Ketchikan Alaska. You can make out all her new deck buildings and the like
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We talked about so many things....but we spent little time on her figurehead. I did mention I was carving her at 7/8"...and he was amazed I could made her so small. He did say he had more images of her...I'll continue to ask him. He is still cataloging his images. We also talked about his friend in Australia who is redrawing the Glory...and that he has acquired all his drawing of 40 or more DownEasters and drawing of two clippers that were actually built in Seabeck. 1000~1500 ton vessels. Deep water vessels. I thought the Western Shore was the only clipper to be built on the West coast...at Cooz Bay Oregon. That is all together an other story for sure....... As far as the figurehead goes.......I'm carving her toga currently...and I'll spend more time tonight...hopefully finishing her up. Rob
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Rich...Mike said he hopes it will be out by Summers end...and I told him I would need 3 signed copies. I'll keep reminding him...but the publisher is who we are waiting on at this time I gather. Rob
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I'll post images later. Rob
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I talked to Mike today and he told me the nameboard is 14ft long...slightly over what I calculated(I couldn't quite see the flowery ends all that well). Mike told me he was the one who helped that museum acquire the nameboard....magine that....? Anyway...what a time with Mike. He has many more images he is going to send me and one in particular is of the stern... from the stern. He also has a drawing of the exact stern mouldings he will get me too. We hit the gold mine. Mike tells me that his new book is in publishing as we speak and wouldn't you know it...he even has the manuscript ready for his fourth book....yep...the final voyage of the Glory when she sailed to Alaska and back to Seattle. Wonderful! The image for his next books dust cover is the one his daughter posted here not long ago. It was a great time conversing and trading information about clippers and Donald McKay. I didn't know this but Mystic Seaport has a rewrite of his book that was published in 2000. It corrects all the mistakes...well some of them...in his original book. I think I need to get that. Great times with Mike. Rob
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I calculated the length of the figurehead and used that to determine the nameboard length
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George...not to answer for Vladimir...but I believe he has a provider of such services in his own country Slovakia. I believe Vladimir provided them with the 2D CAD drawings...then they cut the bulkheads. All rather nicely done, IMV. Rob
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Hey Rich...did you ever get the actual length of the nameboards for Glory? I projected that it was 13ft long. Rob
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In my scale the figurehead is 7/8" in length...so she will be hand carved from plastic and I will use hard dental wax to carve her toga. I have several ideas to work with so I hope it works out fine. I also spent some time printing out her gold on black name boards in 1/96 scale as well. Lots of small details to attend to in advance. Rob
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Thanks Vlad..... I'm taking this time to compile construction material and while doing so, i tend to work out production planning issues as well. By the way....I'll be meeting with Mike tonight and I'll be getting your book signed, so I hope to have that off to you shortly. Can you PM me and give me your address? Rob
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