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Snug...we are beyond just drawings..we have then laser cut out now. Thanks for looking in. Rob
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1/96 if that is OK for me..not sure about Rich. I'm sure it will be OK too....I'll try to get his feedback. OH I understand about the book...the copy I had him sign had great value to me...even before he signed it. I plan on getting another copy anyway for myself and having him sign that too. I can't thank you enough Vlad. Rob
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Vlad...Mike tells me he would love to sign a book for you. You did say you have a copy right? Mike is working from home for a short time and that would be the best time to get the signature. If you can't get your copy to me in a timely manner..I can get a copy in short order and have it signed for you if that is what makes more sense? Rob
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A book signature is in order....I'll talk to Mike and set up another meeting. Cool. Please PM me to let me know what I will need to pay for the bulkheads and shipping and how to make the payment. Plus....I'm assuming you had the frames made in 1/72....I'll go with that..but if it is at all possible can they be reduced to 1/96 for my special needs? If that will be to difficult I'll stick with what you have already established. Thanks again so much Vlad Rob
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Modifying the Revell Cutty's stem and increasing her bulwarks was what needed to be dome to even remotely make the hull pass off as Glory's. Building all the deck furniture and houses was the easy part. I was never going to correct the deadrise of the Revell hull...so I had to live with that blaring error. But now with your new drawn bulkheads and framing...I have a chance to go back and do it right and correct all the minor errors that bothered me so. Rob
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OM Goodness....Vlad....that looks fantastic. Wonderfully drawn and executed. Now if you could be so amazing and have two more sets made and send them to me and Rich........ I will pay whatever it costs for mine and I will pay for your set as well for compensation. Please let me know if that is possible for you.....I know it is a great imposition...but what a time saver and a great beginning....to all have the same hull to work with and then to enjoy us all building our own similar versions. This is a wonderful day and you did so well. She looks just amazing. We all put so much effort and energy into extracting her dimensions from simple 2D B/W images....it's just amazing. Rob
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Yep.....Glory is a flat bottom boat compared to all the others. This is the problem I ran into in my Curry Sark mod. She was way to round to really represent the Glory
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Pretty funny that the Glory model I build by using a converted 1/96 Revell Cutty Sark hull...is looking more like what we are after....despite the slight error of the stem and its width. I was making it us as I went from Mike's drawings. This is 11 years old...I was less a model maker then now. Rob
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I'll revisit the sources for you(I'm at work), but I'm pretty sure that is what the OM weight was. Another note is that both of these clippers(sisters) were extreme models. so was the Fish and the Staghound. Glory was a *Medium* design. And from what I've been gathering, that term can be subjective. It implies a heavier body, with a smaller deadrise...or flatter bottom(More like a downeaster). It doesn't imply that the entry is more bulbus...such as a whaler or man of war. We have clearly identified her to have an entry more like of the Flying Fish and the Staghound.. Glory has a 22ft copper line 25ft to rail measurement. Neither the Fish nor the Staghound have the sheere as the Glory and subsequently less distance from copper(water) line to rail. So it is hard to say that McKay used one of these clippers as the model for Glory. I think if Vladimir's bulkheads are representative of a full bodied model.....also with the extreme stem of Flying Fish...we cannot hope to be any closer to Glory's true figure then at any time ever. I'm so excited Rob
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It would probably be no more then sending a book and that is well within my budget(since money isn't an issue for me). 20 bucks is a great price too. If I was to know how much it would cost in total....I'd pay for your laser costs for your bulkheads for the service. Something to think about....it would be much appreciated. Rob
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Man Vlad that was fast. I wish I could get my 1/96 frames laser cut....I just don't know anyone around here who does that kinda work. Looks like you'll have your version build before me. Fantastic news...can't wait to see them Rob
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No problem Rich...I didn't notice...however, Star of Empire and Chariot of Fame were both 2050 tons OM From my sources And Glory was as you stated, 2102 tons OM. 4 to 7ft sheere can easily be compensated for in the line drawings. Plus the keel to waterline on the Star and Chariot seams quite different then that of Glory.
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And the Glory of the Seas was only 50 tons heavier
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I can't wait to see. Thanks for the reissue of the drawings...I will be able to cut the bulkheads out from them. However the aft keel section didn't come out all the way...the fantail portion failed to print in your drawing...I guess I'll have to make it up as I go. I will use the bulkhead distancing from each keel frame and fashion my own keel frame. I see you are building this as if it were a production model of the Flying Fish. Same design in bulkheads and framing as well as the bulwark build up. I don't have the ability to laser cut my bulkheads..so I will cut them out by hand as I did all my other models. Things are getting exciting now. I'll probably build this 1/96 version hull from balsa and then use hardwoods for the deck houses and other fittings. Rob
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Your doing a wonderful job on her. McKay spent his own money on 3 vessels...the Sovereign of the Seas, the Great Republic and the His last clipper Glory of the Seas. He knew he has something and he bet his own money on it.... No other ship builder ever did that. Following your build. Rob
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It's becoming more and more apparent, McKay probably used one of his *other* clipper designs when building Glory. These examples you bring forth are compelling. Glory is more like Star of Empire and Chariot of Fame and even Flying Fish then previously admitted. She has a rounded stern not elliptical and her entry is far sharper then previously thought. Interesting. Rob
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You are doing a great job Rich...I appreciate your attention to detail as we draw closer to the best hull possible for Glory. Rob
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Hey Vladimir....is it possible for you to darken the bulkhead drawing lines...on the series you sent me? They are so light they are hardly useable. I love then though...in 1/96...thanks again. Rob
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One other note Rich....it is very hard to reconcile what some paintings depict to what photos depict. This image of her on Endolyne is hard to reconcile with your view she had a more sweeping stem. I'm thinking. It's not a perfect image but it is enough of a profile to make the determination her stem was more vertical then sweeping. I know this subject is contestable at a personal level, but what we have discovered using math and angles of her bow on her ways, surely demonstrates her slight stem inclination. Irregardless of slight photographic, viewpoint and diminish line distortions. Of course...we are also entering the realm of personal preference...and if you so desire to model your version based upon a more sweeping prow(regardless of anyone else's opinion), that is your modelers privilege. NOT to say that is where we have come! Rob
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Interesting.....but could not most of that deck and keel difference be made up in the poop overhang? Plus, this Stag Hound stem looks pretty vertical at the cutwater. Similar to Glory...don't you think? Rob
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Wonderful...you have translated her into drawings very well. I can see how you designed her similar to the Flying fish design. With amidships open so you can add the bulwarks later. Interesting. Love it. Rob
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Please do Vladimir.......I'm assuming it will be in 1/96.....? Beautiful drawings by the way...... Rob
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Michael...as usual I am totally impressed with your metal work....... Your project is moving along smoothly. What craftmanship. Rob
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Indeed. If she could have been able to go home she might have had a good chance of surviving...such as the Cutty Sark. Which by the way is a tiny little thing compared to Glory. I agree...from my own research the waterways were rounded on their deck edge....possibly only beveled...but not square. I've decided to not complete my version of Glory, but fabricate her replacement from the plans and drawings we come up with from these pages. I just can't look at her fondly knowing all the blatant errors I made. For my skill level at the time and my knowledge of her, I think I did just fine. But it's like looking back at my first painting in second grade and wanting to display it as by best. I'll keep it simple and stay 1/96. Rob
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It's all about deduction...from what we DO know. Check out the images I posted in post #705 Rob
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