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    Having a good quality set of drawings will be wonderful. I'm keeping her sheer open for corrections and like I mentioned earlier...her bulkheads are currently mobile, so I can make any corrections, substitutions...etc. The near profile image of her just after fitting out...it our best profile of her showing her at ballast....probably riding as high as she can get...clearly showing her quite vertical cutwater and entry...following her aft one can easily see her exit lines. Her sheer is nice and profiled...not to mention her clean copper/muntz line. All of this coupled with your drawings will aid in producing the most accurate hull of Glory..I feel is possible. And that is fine because we are our own best critics.....since the less discriminating eye wouldn't know the difference anyway. I'm so glad we have come to this place...again...thanks for your wonderful contributions. Rob
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    Added several more bulkheads today...one last one for the stern to cut out. They are all fee and will be moved around and relocated for optimal planking...then I will glue them in and then add the bulkhead spacers. Rob
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    Pat...I concur with Ed. The fids from what I gather were of iron....they were required to hold large loads. My study shows that some fids had rounded bottoms to compensate for rake. This is not concrete, however. Here is an image of the Charles W Morgan during a turn of the century refit. You can clearly see the fid through the mast foot. I wouldn't expect them to be made of wood, unless the application was not extreme. Rob
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    Clipperfan..I see you changed your profile picture to that of the Glory of the Seas......cool. Rob
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    You know...as I study this image, it reminds me of just how big these vessels were....look at the size of the men on the forecastle...….and the height of the bow from keel to rail. Then imagine further, by knowing that the Great Republic(which was built 16 years earlier), was nearly 100ft longer and over 20ft deeper then the Glory. She had to be a sight, in her enormity. Rob(Love clippers)
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    It's good we have these images we can rely upon and repost for clarity and refamiliarization. In her launching image, if you draw a line down from her free hanging anchor(a good plumb), you can clearly see she had a very near vertical entry in her stem. Probably only several degrees(I don't have anything to measure currently). The Star of Empire, probably was an inspiration for Glory, since she is just a few ft longer and her dimensions are very similar. Cept Donald rarely created the same model, other then his sister examples. Rob
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    Yes....I gathered that after I looked at your drawings and I remembered you had the practical shipbuilding book...but still was not clear if McKay(Donald's brother) had included any of Glory in his collection. Thank you again. However...the bulkhead drawing (Of the ship), does show promise as to be quite similar to those of Glory...that might have been the *confusing* factor for me. Your encouragement and motivation are always uplifting. Rob
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    ? Druxey...what vessel is that for? Not sure it is the Glory of the Seas.....unless I'm missing something terribly. Rob
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    That's right...you have that book....think you can pop off a smidge of an image that you have? ………….Pls pls pls pls….. Rob(Just means I'm not far off...huh?)
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    I just use my saber saw to cut out the bulkheads and my table top band saw to cut out the keel section. I drew out an example of vertical for Vladimir....by recognizing the vertical anchor hanging on her port side. Utilizing the anchor shank as a reference, I deduced the rough angulation of the bow....and she is surprisingly vertical. Coupled with her dockside image at her conversion to a salmon cannary….it is clear she did not have a swooping entry like Great Republic. The best educated guess is all we really have. I'm looking forward to your contributions and your final drawings for your own contribution. Exciting....isn't it? Thanks for the fine comments and encouragements. Rob
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    Thanks Pat...oh...I have plenty of errors to manage and fix...but that is what is so fun about this for me. Unlike EdT's magnificent Young America, where every element must be perfect to align itself with other perfect members...I can get away with some sloppy workmanship...because its all about the end result. If I need to *wedge* or *fill* to compensate for an error...it will be covered up with something else and then drenched in copious amounts of glue, bondo, epoxy, wax, paint....etc. Yes...she is developing some nice lines. My plan is to place all the bulkheads and then correct the deck lines, by adding shims and will be doing the same for the bulwark members as well....cutting them or adding to them to create the correct sheer and proper balance for the rail. Thanks for the fine comment. Rob
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    Wonderful compilation. I added a few more bulkheads....about half way there. Rob
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    That's looking magnificent. I'm not gluing any bulkheads so I can easily move or remove any that needs adjustment. Love your work. Rob
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    Mind you..I will be actually pinning and gluing plank sheets in place later...just taking measurements and looking now. Gotta go help my daughter hang some sheetrock..... Rob
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    I temporarily added some planking on the sides to give some contour effect...to visualize the curves being generated and to allow me to make any adjustments to the bulkheads. Rob
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    I'll show the addition of those two other bulkheads. Rob
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    Oh...one other observation I failed to mention. Since the Glory was of a *Medium* clipper design, McKay would have desired to increase her entrance and exit buoyancy(the real cause of Hogging). So to do this, her entrance would have been more vertical, allowing for a more rotund entry underwater. A sweeping bow would lessen her forward buoyancy, not to mention her cargo carrying ability. The opposite can be said about perceptions of her entry if one looks at her dockside view when she was being converted into a cannery. Her entry looks nearly vertical. I cut out and added 2 more bulkheads, but had to leave on an errand and didn't get any images. Bulkhead 5 is the one where she transitions to the main deck from her forecastle deck. Rob
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    Yes.... optical illusions can play an enormous role in our perceptions of what we think we see. In this particular case, I would defer to the clearer, less processed image of her fitting out. Because we have other clear images of her that would concur and lend credence to the actuality of that image. The former image, though it is of the Glory, is suspect, because of other distortions we have already recognized. If we understand spacial distortions and those found in the optics of the period, such as spherical, choma and chromatic aberrations....(Not to mention the poor quality of the image), we can then again disregard these distortions for what we know to actually be the truth. I don't believe the Glory suffered from any severe *Hogging*. McKay, in his design of her, not only included iron cross banding in its prevention, but he also added extreme internal cross bracing with wood structures as well. She was overly reinforced against hogging. I do have an image of Dashing Wave in Seattle and she was severely Hogged. I'm sticking with the clearest and most optically accurate images we currently have of her...and utilizing an acquired acuteness for being able to distinguish proportions based upon comparative analysis, I think I can give a real good college try at building an accurate representation. Of course I'll need to rely also upon a copious amount of self assuredness too and faith in God. Your input in these matters has been instrumental. Rob
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    What I find interesting about this comparison and the lower image of Glory....is that you can actually impress upon your perceptions what is not actually there. If I base my opinion on solely what I see and do not couple my understanding on what I know...then I can come away with an entirely different view point. If I gather from what I do know about the entrance of Glory's bow, I would know that where the double bobstays connect to the hull the cutwater is nearly vertical or close to it in comparison to the destroyer, which has an extreme sweeping entry. If I can cognitively remove the distortion of the crane just behind her bowsprit, knowing that, that distortion is contributing to a false impression of her stem lines, I can begin to see her actual proportions. Locating her figurehead and deducing the location and shape of her cheek plates(hoods)... and the inclination of her stem and planking line, I can conclude the actual dimensions of her bow. In essence I am forcing my eyes to disregard what they think they see and combine the knowledge of what they MUST see....based on actuality. We do this all the time in astronomy...when calculating celestial structures while looking through a distorted atmosphere. Great subject by the way...it at least causes us to become critical thinkers and enables us to deduce fact from a sea of inaccurate information. Rob
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    I did...and also followed ClipperFan's drawings as well..... I purposely left things straighter then I would like so I have some material to remove if need be....it is always easier to remove material then to add material. The trick is making sure I cut the bulkheads with the proper bulwark height for the forecastle and the main deck. Its noted on the drawing...but if you are not careful to notice it...well...you could cut the frame off or cut it too short. As you can see the first two bulkheads show the bulwarks frames very short(as they should be), but when I get to bulkhead 4..there takes a great change in bulwark frame height...since at this point the gunwale is over 6ft tall and needs to reflect that. I hope to cut out a couple more bulkheads this afternoon. Rob
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    Man she is looking great...your corrections are doing the trick. I worked on cutting out the first two bulkheads..1 and 2 anf d fared them out. 1 is glued in place on the keel/stem but the rest will be left mobile so I can make adjustments and corrections. I wanted to get everything going so I could see 3D and actually make corrections or additions now as she is being built. Everything is baseline and can be modified if need be. The *beak* of hood is deliberately short so the actual member can fit over. Moving along. Rob
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    39.64" is what I came up with too....I just rounded it up to make it an even number for ease of conversation and interpretation. This scale meets my goal...for sure. Thanks... Rob
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    I'm going to make, on the table saw, a grooved wood base to rest the keel in at the level of the bulkheads termination...so they all can sit at the same level and I can add them as I cut them...plus it will hold the hull vertical as it is being constructed. This *framing* process will be tricky because I will be placing bulkheads and then temporarily laying some veneer planks to verify the proper hull convexity and curvature before permanently securing them. The drawings are rudimentary and are going to be slightly modified as I proceed. I'm barrowing from my telescope mirror making days...when I tested the mirror on a reflection stand a process known as *Comparative analysis*. I will rely upon photographs for comparative measurements. Many ship builders used a process of thirds and fourths. Where portions of the ship equaled other portions of the ship or distances and lengths of structures were 3 times as long or shorter then other structures. It creates a sort of symmetry to the ship. Values that can be measured and replicated. Kinda like reverse engineering....but with images. Fun stuff for sure. Rob
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    Beautiful.....indeed. She almost has the same contours...shorter vertical/horizontal and slightly more angle to the stem and cutwater Nothing like her Revell model...…. Rob
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    Thank you gentlemen. Pat..as you know I have been working on the Glory in 1/96, utilizing a heavenly modified Revell Cutty Sark hull....but it just never hit the spot..the deadrise was waaay off and so was the sheer and stem. I think I did well enough to pass her off...but to the discriminating eye she just wasn't correct.......so I am embarking on building a hull model of her in a bit larger scale. Here are some some pics of the templates and gluing the stem to the keel.... Rob

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