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Worked about an hour on the fore mast. Painted doubling and stained the mast. Rob
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This image shows that she has her new back stays and her spreaders are removed to accommodate them. Rob
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She did indeed have her rigging reduced several times. My example is when she was in her hayday...after all her deck and rigging mods had been complete.....but before any reductions in her deck furniture and rigging.....and long before any canary mods had even been imagined. Her long decline is documented in many images....those are not my interest at this time. Rob
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Indeed....apart from her composite lower masts....her mast and yard structures are very typical of the period. Howes Double topsails, single topgallant and single royal yards....and sky sail yard on the main mast I believe the time period I am building her...she was reduced in sail...by way of lack of stunsails. I believe she had been permanently translated to the West coast by then not to return to the East coast. Left to ferry lumber and coal up along the West coast and possibly to Australia. I see nowhere were she retained her stunsail booms after 1877 on.......... She even lost her main sky sail yard in her San Pedro image. Rob
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I will continue the black paint on the top mast and royal doublings. Rob
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Yes, but I want the top yards crane and iron stay and band support to be clearly visible. If all is painted black…..that detail disappears….blending in and going unnoticed. Rob
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Added a few more items. Getting ready to step the royal. Rob
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I put in a little time finishing and painting the tops and staining the top mast and the grating work. Here are a few pics. Rob
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They would...and I so happen to have 1 or 2 of those in my collection from parted out models from years ago. I didn't use them on this build, however. As many models that I have built and from destroyed models that have been given to me...I have a good working collection I use for models and dioramas. If one can keep their eyes open for partly built models on ebay..they can be used as salvaged parts. Great way to build up a parts collection. Rob
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Just put tarps over them. Rob
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I hope you find what you need. Are the boats you got with your kit unusable? Those metal ones are Waaay too heavy. I took one of those once and cleaned it up real good...scribed clinker lines and planking detail on it..then cast it in duplicating compound and then poured plastic acrylic in the mold and made some nice plastic ones. Nice, thin and light. Not everyone can do that....I know. Good luck in whatever you decide to do. Rob
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I heavily modify and even cast my own in plastic from molds that I have made. I have a collection of many kinds and styles of boats in many scales, that I have collected and made over the years. These boats were created many years ago, and I was able to use them for this particular application. Sorry I didn't go into to that when I added them....I simply went to my collection and selected the ones that appropriately fit the period and scale. Since I primarily build in 1/96...I generally collect and make fixtures and items in that scale.....so I have ample supplies of *goodies*, when it comes time to need them. Makes building so much faster...One of my cardinal rules/goals. Rob
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Not Sure if I’m going to paint the timbers in the hounds white or I might stain them there’s no real designation as to what she look like during the time I am modeling her so either way, white painted or stained will probably look good. White is alway clean and shipshape. Rob
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Thanks Rich I appreciate that very much. I decided after looking at this situation a bit longer I decided to remeasure the tops and found that I was actually off by 18 inches so I had to start over cut the tops back rebuild the structure and here it is. Still need to clean it up but the top is much smaller. There are no images of her tops that gives way to good measurements. So Underhill had to come to the rescue. Rob
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I was able to sneak away today for an hour or so and I worked on the four mast tops here’s a few pictures, got a lot left to do but we’re getting there. Rob
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Thanks Pat sometimes it can get a little rough going when you think you know something and then you find out what you thought was correct turns out to be totally incorrect. That is the true nature of research. Everyone involved in this journey plays a critical part. Mike Mjelde, himself has conceded to many early erroneous conclusions. It surely is a pride dampener for sure. But we must rise above and be mature and stay true to our original goal to create the most accurate Glory we can…..and that includes the slightest miss interpretation of what we used to think. Rob
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Rich...like myself, your grasp of Glory's details evolves as you glean more detail and sometimes we are compelled to self-correct. I hope my examples and that those examples, were clear enough for you to show you her correct configuration. Images do not lie. Our interpretation of one image may...but a compilation of many photographs that clearly point the truth out...though they may emotionally alarms us, and however inaccurate they may *feel*, MUST be the truth. I assume Mike made the same conclusions you did, without cross referencing his many images to catalog her true configurations. If anything, I am more relieved you came to the same conclusion as I, after a further detailed evaluation. The re-draw is simply an inconvenience with lasting truthful consequences. Believe me....I've corrected more then I wish to admit. I'm sure there are more to come, before it's all said and done. Thanks for hanging with me..... Rob
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Sails were bent to the jackstays. I was experimenting with my first build and wanted to bend them to the front of the stays...so you could still see the stay. On my Great Republic build I bent them to the top, which hides the stay from view, while it resides under the edge of the sail top band. My new Glory will not have sails...her hull and its details are the main concern in this particular build. Thanks for enquiring. Rob
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I see exactly what you are attempting to point out to me from this image...which compared to the very clear and unmistakable image I posted earlier....it indicates, either the davits have an alternate location during different time periods.....or......one of us is mistaken. Now if you look closely at the image I provided....locate the starboard mizzen mast shrouds...they're there at the back of the image on the left(Unmistakable).....now if your suggestion was true...the davit would be mounted right in the middle of the shrouds....abutting them and would be unmistakable...if it were remotely true. but if you see...the aft davit is no where near the mizzen shrouds....and if you follow the line of the vertical portion you can devise it bisects just about at the place where the rail iron meets the rail. I'm not trying to argue....I'm trying to determine definitively the true location of Glory's davits...and it is clear from several images that her port davits are located as I have described. It is not unreasonable to gather, her starboard davits would not follow a well established symmetry of design, that is prevalent in her entirety. I've studied Glory's grounding image and coupled with many other images, which show a different story, I concluded the object mistaken for a davit is merely an illusion induced by the background tree branches on shore, or some other onboard structure not yet identified. In thes images...her starboard davits are clearly tied together at the block head...with blocks clearly identified as well. As you can see...the davits are no were near the mizzen shrouds in this image either. Her davits are symmetrical from the stern and in this image of conversion you can clearly see the aft davit NOT in the mizzen shrouds and the forward davit just aft of the main channel. I'm sorry Rich, but the natural course of symmetry and many clear images show and are evidence, Glory's davits are NOT mounted within her mizzen channels. The mizzen channel mounting would be nearly an unusable location.... to swing boats from across the fore deck of the carriage house....? You, and Mike IMHO are drawing this conclusion from one poorly representative image, which can easily be dismissed through deduction and the process of illumination. One last image to prove the symmetry of her davits. Look at the stern image of her...you can clearly see the symmetrical location of her davits....follow the mizzen shrouds to their end on their channels and you can clearly see neither aft davit has its origins there. the port forward davit even cleaves next to the extra added backstay...furthering the evidence of other images. This combined data can only lead one to conclude, as I have, that her davits are the same on both sides and that placing a davit within the mizzen channel would be, not only impractical, but unusable, given the location of the carriage house. I hope you can see what I've diligently and carefully tried to point out . Rob
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Sorry to disagree Rich, but her starboard aft davit is clearly shown at the same location as the aft port, I showed in the picture, not to mention the fore that is clearly next to the added backstay. I think you are mistaking tree branches in her grounding image. Look closely at this picture. Her aft Davit isn’t anywhere close to the mizzenmast shrouds. No….they are closer to her rail as on her port side as seen in the picture. I can’t imagine any logical reason to offset the davits. Rob
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It has become clear to me that the symmetrical boat davits are located (the aft ones), just forward of the iron hand rail of the aft poop rail and the forward ones are located between the main channels and the additional or modified back stays. Every image shows this and this image is the best. Rob
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Whenever I model furled sails...It is best to reduce the sail material to a third of its mass...sometimes even less....so you can have less out of scale material to furl. Even material as close to scale, needs to be reduced to make it convincing. On my last attempt, on my old, original version of Glory of the Seas....I wanted a bit more sails exposed, unlike the thin natural example in the image. However, I am not planning on putting sails(at this time....things do change, however) on this version of Glory. Rob
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